'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 06:22 AM

B***er

The only reason i was paying extortionate amounts for my camping was that the LNE was at Salcombe Regis......... *AAAAAAAARRGGGGHHHH*

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:38 PM

I'll be attending, and running singarounds for people who want to sing or listen.

Looking forward to seeing and hearing the other attenders.

Kitty

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 12:04 PM

Well done John! What speed you organisers move at eh? ;0) Only this morning someone raised doubt about the LNE on here, then here we are, just a few hours later with it all in hand and up on the website:

http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/presscentre.html

Hehhey! Stevie Scarlett!!....Put that in your pipe and smoke it!! ;0) Bet you wish you had a Super Duper Magical Web Master like Siddy Folk Week has got! ;0) Mmmmmmm....See Purple...that's the only one for me!

Sooooo glad to hear that 'Stevie Scarlett And The Guests'....that well known Anti-Folk-Week Band aren't appearing at Siddy this year! ;0)

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:14 AM

That is good news.

I do not often go to LNE but I was even less likely to be there if it was going to be over at Salcombe Regis.

All we need now is the Catering that used to be on the Bulverton campsite and we will be almost back to where we were.

Looking forward to it and can hardly wait.

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: John Golightly
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 10:56 AM

The LNE is moving back to Bulverton (announcement on the website).

John G

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:28 AM

GUEST,GUEST = TROLL,TROLL

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:23 AM

Excellent news that businesses are at last supporting the Festival. If they'd done so before the future of the Festival might never have been in doubt.

Fantastic to know the campsites are in place even if they are many miles away from the town centre and short of stewards.

Terrific to hear of all the dances being organised albeit in draughty church halls and the like on the outskirts of town.

Wonderful to learn that "steps are being taken to ensure the LNE will go ahead" even if we've only learnt second-hand that it was ever in doubt.

Marvellous to read that "ticket sales are exceeding expectations" even if we're not told what the expectations for ticket sales were.

Tremendous to know that the town will be quieter this year so those who do attend can get served more easily in the pubs.

All we need to hear now is that Lizzie is leaving town and we might turn-up to Sidmouth this year after all!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:27 AM

Thanks for the update on the website Barden.
That press release is very encouraging.
It also made me think. The new look festival does actually give sponsors more of an opportunity to get involved. Imagine you're a local trader. Would you rather sponsor a specific event which then bears your name, giving you a sense of ownership and direct involvement or throw a chunk of money at a large single organisation not really knowing where it then goes or how much exposure you will receive?
It's not surprising that business is coming out of the woodwork to take advantage of a more transparent marketing opportunity.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 07:05 AM

In my opinion the wreckers have already lost. Just look at the facts.
The ticket sales are outstripping all expectations
The number of acts booked is as large as it is diverse and comprehensive
The new website is getting thousands of hits a day
Local support is stronger than ever.
It's going to be a success despite the best efforts of a handful of those who, lets face it, we wouldn't want there anyway.
See you all on the beach! I'll be the one with the champagne and a big grin on my face.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cllr
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 06:55 AM

guest 5 26 bang on the money - I couldn't have put it better myself.
Mind you im now waiting to see the first anon troll who responds "I've asked all my firends and they say sidmouth bad yada yada yada"
Cllr
PS:I spent weekend before last on the beech at sidders and the Mrs and I went nice toasty colours, lovely see you all in a few weeks.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: John Golightly
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 06:53 AM

In reply to GUEST (28 Jun 05 - 06:41 PM)

Don't worry - steps are being taken to ensure that the LNE will go ahead. More news in due course...

John Golightly (Steering Group)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,The Barden of England at work
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 06:27 AM

I've just read the press release from the Sidmouth Folk Week website and it's great to see so many local businesses supporting the Folk Week, and that ticket sales are exceeding expectations.

The whole point of this thread was for 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders', but as usual the TROLLS had to come in do their utmost to ruin it. There is another thread for people to say why they aren't going to Sidmouth, which I think is the place for those to express their opinion, so why don't they write there? The answer is obvious, because they have a different agenda to those of us who are supporting Sidmouth 2005. I'm just satisfied in the thought that the Mudcat represents a miniscule amount of the Folkies in this land, and that all the festivals I attend this year - including Sidmouth - will be a place to meet fine people, old friends and to hear great music.
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:26 AM

I have never been to Whitby or Rochester sweeps for example.
However, if I were to read a thread like this one based on either of those two festivals I would not be so weak as to be swayed by the sort of sabotaging troll activity that runs through this thread. I would instead seek out the opinions of those I know and trust. I suggest that 'good grief' should do likewise...unless of course they have another agenda.
There do seem to be some very lame excuses for 'people' to 'announce' their rejection of the festival.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:20 AM

Sorry guys, but this was SO good that I had to move it downwards, so we could all read it again! ;0)

<< "Oh dear, "Good Grief" - and anyone else chancing on this thread and reacting with horror and amazement - PLEASE don't let all the 'extraordinary bickering' put you off coming"

Don't worry, Sue, it's just a passing troll. There is one or possibbly two of these trolls who have posted the same ballad as "guests" rather than the rather poor floorspots they are. The song goes:

I am a perfectly ordinary member of the public I just happened to drop in on this forum I notice some robust argument which I shall be offended by I announce that it has persueded me not to go to Sidmouth

Chorus: Yaa boo sucks!

No, it doesn't scan or rhyme very well.

Norway, Null points >>>>>>

______________________________________________________________________

..."And here are the votes from the Sidmouth jury Steve...."

United Kingdom....Twelve Points Royaume Uni.....Douze Points

Lizzie ;0) (Rolling on the floor giggling Smiley!)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:30 AM

I love Steve Harris!!! :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) :0)

Lizzie ;0)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:14 AM

I don't think Good Grief should be put off by some of the people who post here- after all, if they are the only ones in Sidmouth it will be a small gathering indeed.

I won't be there myself this year- I can't afford the time off, I'll be on the boat just beforehand and I tend to prefer that these days when it comes to a straight choice.

But this year could well be more relaxed than previously- it's expected to be smaller, which means less pressure on campsites and pubs. Last time I was there, turning up as a last minute decision, I had to camp at the caravan site a couple of miles west along the coast, which made for a long stagger home in the dark. But it was worth every step, trip, slip, bruise and bramble scratch. I almost gave up my solipsism.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Good Grief
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 02:46 AM

In answer to Steve & Sue, I am genuine and am not one of your trolls as you call them.

My expression of amazement above was also genuine.

You may find it hard to believe but there are genuine lovers of traditional music out here who have not visited Sidmouth before, who have been thinking of visting this year, and who have then been put off when reading the quite extraordinary postings about Sidmouth on mudcat and other messageboards.

I am tempted to reveal my identity. You may know me as a singer in northern folk clubs over several years but it's probably best I remain anonymous lest I suffer the same personal attacks addressed to others on this board.

Don't be surprised people remain as 'Guests' when you read the abuse directed at those who put their heads above the parapet.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:48 PM

OK, Steve, so maybe I was fooled. The trouble is, there are people who do 'chance upon' a thread like this and who are disturbed by it. I know - I've talked to several.

I also know, like Leadfingers says, that there'll be some bloody good music all over the town. You'll find me in the Middle Bar, the Volunteer, the Arts Centre and... and... and... and the Anchor Gardens Ceilidh and dancing with Herbaceous Border on the Esplanade every evening at 6.0. along with anyone else who wants to join in.

And I know I'll have a great time.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cllr
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:43 PM

steve Shhhhhhh you will point out how Bleedin' obvious the trolls are, although I have to admit I was nearyl fooled by that last one ("good grief" please try again, this time with more capital letters -(it stands out more)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:41 PM

From reading tonight's Express and Echo it appears that the Late Night Extra is doubtful as those organising are having licensing problems. More news later this week.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: steve_harris
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:15 PM

"Oh dear, "Good Grief" - and anyone else chancing on this thread and reacting with horror and amazement - PLEASE don't let all the 'extraordinary bickering' put you off coming"

Don't worry, Sue, it's just a passing troll. There is one or possibbly two of these trolls who have posted the same ballad as "guests" rather than the rather poor floorspots they are. The song goes:

I am a perfectly ordinary member of the public
I just happened to drop in on this forum
I notice some robust argument which I shall be offended by
I announce that it has persueded me not to go to Sidmouth

Chorus: Yaa boo sucks!

No, it doesn't scan or rhyme very well.

Norway, Null points

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 05:49 PM

Well all I know is that there will be some bloody good music all over the town - Unaccompanied singing with The Middle Bar in the Anchor , twice a day , a good mixed session in the New Tavern , again , twice a day , The English Tune in the Radway , ALL sorts of things in The Bedford , an excellent relaxed Singaround in the Art Centre , The Volunteer , The Swan as well as the 'To Be Paid For' events . I will be arriving Friday afternoon for the week and will welcome ANY Catters to The Newt !

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 04:14 PM

Oh dear, "Good Grief" - and anyone else chancing on this thread and reacting with horror and amazement - PLEASE don't let all the 'extraordinary bickering' put you off coming.

There are lots of positive people planning on being at Sidmouth, who know they will have a good time and who would love to share it with you, too. I'm one of them.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Good Grief
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 01:12 PM

Good Grief!

I've just arrived at mudcat and cannot believe what I am reading.

What is it with you guys (and girls)?

If anyone is unsure about whether to visit Sidmouth this year a visit to this messageboard is 100% certain to drive them away.

I came looking for decent advice on what Sidmouth is really like.

I've never been before and having read all the messages here I certainly will not be attending this year either.

Your extraordinarily petty bickering has driven this potential customer away.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 12:02 PM

Methinks Steve doth protest too much

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:50 AM

"Who am I?"

Don't think I want to know!

Dave Earl

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:34 AM

My post of a few minutes ago was in reply to one from Lizzie several days ago (you might lose the will to live going back through all the recent rubbish to find it) - it started thus:

""From: Lizzie Cornish - PM
Date: 23 Jun 05 - 05:02 PM

On the other hand Stevie....those 'Guests' might not be you at all....but...how are the Ssss..snakes anyway?""


and continued for a long time........

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:20 AM

Who am I?
I live in Sidmouth,
I claim I know Steve Heap
I claim I know John Dowell
I claim to have had several dealings with the great and good of the folk world and like to name drop in general
I claim to have stewarded for many years once at least with colyn
I have too much time on my hands
I am a prolific electronic writer
I am rude, egotistical, lack interpersonal skills (even when I am not in anonymous mode) and have an over inflated view of the importance of my opinion in the wider world in general.
I search the internet for personal details of women I have never met in order to intimidate them (unsuccessfully)
I have a well known anti Sidmouth 2005 agenda in my various guises, which I write in clumsily disguised, differing written voices in an attempt to cover my trail (unsuccessfully)
I believe that no one will knock on my door in the near future to have a civilised 'chat'

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Steve in Sidmouth
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:20 AM

Sorry Lizzie, but all the Guests and Anons were not me. I have been in SUNNY BEAUTIFUL Yorkshire for a week and never saw a computer once - except briefly in a library. My 20 year old car and 25 year old caravan performed well (except the car dumped half a litre of antifreeze over my feet at the top of a 1 in 5 hill). Can't complain I suppose - an average of 30+ mpg towing a caravan from an engine that has done 280,000 miles can't be bad. (This is probably about as interesting to you as a woman as most of your posts are to normal people.......)

Anyhow, I have not missed you a bit (well not much anyhow) but I am so glad you survived the storms in Sidmouth. I am told the rain was quite something. The only sensible comments about Folk Week in the last week seem to echo what I said ages ago - buy your tickets now to help the cash flow of the organisers. I am amazed they didn't offer more incentives to get cash in early, but that is their business. Good luck to them. I revised my website before I left and so little has changed that it can stay as it is for now. The latest Sidmouth Herald says that ticket sales are going well - but for which events we ask ourselves??

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Not that one either
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:28 AM

Not just that one. He reckons he knows Steve Heap...yaeh right! like theyd talk to this loser!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,---not 'that one'
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:43 AM

GUEST,

In what capacity do you deal with John Dowell? I'm interested because I cannot see why someone so committed to the new project would give your poison time of day and therefore assume your claim of contact with him to be a lie.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 04:00 AM

Sounds like it,i dont know Plymouth except The Hoe.lol.
Scooby

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:45 PM

hi, scooby!

victoria road is very long and i think there're a couple of them in the plymouth area... i don't recall mentioning which specific house it is that i looked out of the window from... so, i think i'm ok, don't you?

Regards,
Cat

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 04:06 PM

Hi Catin Plymouth,
Becareful what you say on here.You would not want any unexpected visitors would you.
Scooby

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 05:08 PM

Hi Guest (03:34pm)

No, Dad won't be there this year... but he is driving me up there with all my stuff!!

Victoria Road is fine, still there last time i looked out the window *grin*

Regards,
Cat
x

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:55 PM

Cat in Plymouth.
Are you not talking now.
Shame i was going to send you a sympathy card!!!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:34 PM

Is David coming too,
How is Victoria street in Plymouth these days.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Cat in Plymouth
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:39 PM

Hello, thanks for the countdown, Lizzie!

To those who ARE going to sidmouth:
I'd personally like to put faces to the names...
I am assuming that a lot of us are going to the Show of Hands gig on the Thursday evening...
I will be wearing a t-shirt with the following slogan "You say 'Folk' like it's a bad thing" (oh dear, i've already planned my outfit *sob*)
so you can all come and say hi to me! *grins*

Regards
Cat (Catherine Manners: note insertion of full name cos i'm not ashamed of my identity *wink*)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:33 PM

Haven't we tried!!!!!!

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,One More Guest
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 12:24 PM

I see Lizzie Cornish is intending to do to the English language what she has already done to the careers of several artists and one festival. Couldn't someone do it to her instead and do the rest of the world a favour?

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 09:50 AM

Colyn,
I have done main campsite with you on several occasions plus your dogs,so dont use your excuses for stewards not doing there duties.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 04:13 AM

Hi Regular Catter,

I have some 45 years experience of folk clubs, singarounds and sessions, and nearly as much of folk festivals.

Festival singarounds are always very crowded, but eventually everyone who expresses the wish to sing DOES get the chance.

There are a couple of useful tips tho'

1. Arrive early. If possible, a little before the start of a session.
The organisers do take note of people who are there before it gets crowded, and that almost guarantees an early chance to perform.

2. Choose your BEST songs. If you impress with your first, they will want to hear you again, and that twig will come back to you at some point.

3. Join in choruses. If you know the song that someone else is singing, and can add to the mix, it is almost like performing yourself, and it shortens the wait till your next opportunity.

Regarding your last comment, I have never met a group of folkies who wouldn't welcome a lone individual into their circle, if they become aware that you are alone. Folkies are, by the very nature of what they do, gregarious. Take any opportunities to talk to the people around you, and I'm sure that you can establish a presence within the group.

I wish you all the best for your experience of Sidmouth this year.
Dive in and enjoy
Don T.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Dave Earl
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 02:36 AM

Regular Catter,

Yes the Middle Bar sessions can get crowded but you don't need to "grab" the twig. Just be patient and enjoy other peoples songs and eventually the twig will come round to you.

I have attended to Theatre bar sessions too. I see those sessions as having a different (gentler) ethos which those who enjoy quieter sessions. Having said that, Herga Kitty (If she forgives me for mentioning it)as well as leading Theatre Bar sessions is a full participant in the Middle Bar singing.

The point is that there is something for everybody to enjoy. So, if the Anchor is not your scene, enjoy whatever it is you like and have a great week.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:20 PM

I said earlier,i would not discuss why i got my "gripe"over the festival at 12.16pm as Guest,that is the end of it.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Bonecruncher
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 08:19 PM

Possibly John Barden has hit the nail on the head over the issue of Guest Trolls - No Steward's tickets, so no free entry to events, so we're not going to play any more!!
All that they have left is to be spiteful and drogatory towards those who are working hard to make the week work.
They are probably the same Stewards who either failed to turn up for duty, were late, or could not otherwise be bothered!
Colyn.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: The Barden of England
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 05:09 PM

GUEST of 25 Jun 05 - 12:16 PM - If you know Steve Heap in person, then you'll know that he supports this years Sidmouth, and has said so on many occasions, so what's your gripe? Is it because of the Stewarding situation?
John Barden

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Regular Catter
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 04:27 PM

Breton Cap,

I'm not using my Cat name because I do not want to draw down wrath onto my head.

I'm a regular at Sidmouth and have been for many years. I enjoy the sings, concerts, etc. but find the week generally a fairly lonely experience.

The sings in the Anchor are difficult to attend as they are just so very crowded and it is usually difficult or impossible to grab The Twig. I almost always attend the sings in the Theatre Bar which are usually well run but very, very formal.

But, and this is a very big but, when the sings finish a lone middle-aged female remains just that, a lone middle-aged female.

RC

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 02:25 PM

Well guys, I'm unable to distinguish between lots of words and their meanings, my Dad was dyslexic, as was my brother, as is my son....I realise that I'm somewhere on that scale too. So what! Dyslexia is an absolute gift.

Where I put my apostrophe SO doesn't worry me! ;0) My son will never understand grammar, but he's a warm, loving and intelligent human being. You either get your knickers in a twist about grammar or you don't. We don't....so seeing you lot doing it on my behalf makes me giggle,

Life is for living! It is SO not for apostrophes!! ;0)

However, what I can distinguish extremely well between is people who are kind and loving and people who are erm....NOT!

The true folk people on the Sidmouth threads have always been easy to see. They are kind and gentle with a deep love of music, tradition and history. They are the ones who give me the encouragement to still believe that this wonderful music that I stumbled upon by coming to live in Sidmouth 5 years ago, is the right music with the right people. They outshine each and every unpleasant 'guest' a thousand times over.

Just got back from the seafront actually. Overcast but beautiful. The sea is still lovely and warm, the tide was out between the rock islands today and the flowers were just looking stunning! The flowers in Blackmore Gardens that is....we haven't quite got round to flowers in the sea yet in Sidmouth! ;0)

Imply? Infer? Oh pifle! Grow up!!

Hey guys, get your noses out of "Eats Shoots & Leaves" and go put on your Oysterband CDs...or CD's.....or even C'D's and boogie on down! ;0) Let go and LIVE!!

Life is so short and I'm surrounded by very elderly people in my town, lovely very elderly people, but it brings it home to you every day that we are only here for such a short time. Don't waste your precious days spitting out ugly thoughts.....just enjoy each and every precious one.

Go listen to Dougie McLean and let his incredible words soothe your soul.

Right then..I'm away...hope you all enjoy your weekend!

Don't let the Trolls wind you up everyone.

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Yet another one
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:59 PM

You can always tell when it's Lizzie posting under whatever pseudonym as she always puts its' (a non-existent word) whether she means it's or its. She is also unable to distinguish between imply and infer.

Subject: RE: 'Sidmouth 2005 attenders'
From: GUEST,Totally different guest
Date: 25 Jun 05 - 12:36 PM

Sorry, regular member but signing in as guest on this occasion because I don't really want to get involved with the playground bullies and half wits (You don't scare me, I just can't be bothered with you)

I have a simple request to some guests -please, please, please, sort out your yours and your you'res - it's a terribly basic error and frankly makes you look even sillier than you obviously are.

Thank You.