BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:35 AM

Bush does nothing gracefully. That's the last word anyone should use to describe him. Not that he's the only politician like that.

And Bush probably did this to try to steal Hillary Clinton's moment. Hillary's the one with the set of balls (of course we all knew that ;-)).

As for danger - come off it - one plane a commercial cargo plane has been hit in the entire "post war" period. It landed safely after sustaning damage to a wing, but the fire power was so slight that it was pretty much the best that could have been done. Air Force 1 was in more danger flying through the north-east US air corridor.

As for the troops he talked to - do you seriously think there's any significant number who disagree with his actions? And would they boo him or something in the midst of all their commrades and officers? Come on.

And the press always wants more access. What's new about that?

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Sleepless Dad
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:28 AM

No I'm not joking. There were many filmed reports. If he had only been there for the troops then why were there cameras there ? And why was it on American news broadcasts before the day was over ? If it had been a totally selfless act the TV cameras wouldn't have been there. He did the right thing by going. It's a shame that he felt like he needed to milk it for the publicity. My opinion of course. My guess is that you'll disagee. You are welcome to your own opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:12 AM

You're joking, of course, Dad??

The press is already bitching about this being left out:

"Philip Taubman, Washington bureau chief of the New York Times, said that 'in this day and age there should have been a way to take more reporters. People are perfectly capable of maintaining a confidence for security reasons. It's a bad precedent.'"

ap wire

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Sleepless Dad
Date: 28 Nov 03 - 12:02 AM

Jed - If he had done it quietly there wouldn't have been any cameras there. There's nothing wrong with what he did but I would have respected him more if he had skiped the photo ops. It was a nice thing to do but he turned it into a campain stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: JedMarum
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 11:46 PM

I'd like to go ... still looking for a way.

The Bush bigots will of course find a way to spew their venom about this trip. They hate the air he breathes, so no surprise ... but there's nothing to bitch about here. Bush just did a good thing, and he did quietly and gracefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Kim C
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 11:34 PM

I thought it was a pretty cool thing to do. I also knew that people who don't already like Bush would somehow find fault with this.

How many of you would have been willing to go on this trip?

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Mickey191
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 07:15 PM

My bet is if it had been Nov. 10, 2004, He would have stayed home. We'll see - cause they'll still be there I'm sorry to say.   

Bless Hilliary, She's worked her tush for the Vets.
Guest pdc--right again.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 06:40 PM

American or Iraqui.

Or some poor innocent fuc$er just caught in the crossfire.

Dumbya doesn't give a rat's ass about "the troops" - only about re-election.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 06:40 PM

Perhaps someone could consider that Hillary Clinton is in Afghanistan; her itinerary was announced ahead of time; she is proceeding to Iraq; she did not take a cadre of photographers and press people with her.

Guts? No contest.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 06:22 PM

No, Blackcatter, he was in danger. Word gets out, mortar rounds or rockets land, Cheney becomes President. As for your implication that all of the active duty military supports Bush ("Bush talking to active duty military is like the Pope talking to his cardinals") is no more accurate than that during Vietnam all the soldiers were kill-crazy baby-killers.

I disagree with the invasion of Iraq and I don't like Bush and Co. But the danger was there for him, and it was greater than it usually is for a sitting President or any other head of government.

EVERYONE in a combat zone is in danger, military or civilian, President or Private.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: GUEST,cookiless Blackcatter
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:53 PM

Gutsy?

No one knew he was coming. He flys in in the most advanced large-sized airplane in the world with millions of dollars of special protective aspects - completely surrounded by military jets and helicopters.

He sees the light of day just long enough to duck into an armored carrier and taken directly to the center of a US military base.

Where exactly is the guts? That's just pitiful. As for the favorable response - Bush talking to active duty military is like the Pope talking to his cardinals.

Please tell me you don't seriously think he was in any danger. My god. He was in more danger if he snacked on pretzels on the flight.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: DougR
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:18 PM

Yes, I think the troops appreciated it very much. As to it being a secret trip ...it had to be!

It was a gutsy appropriate move on his part I think.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Peter T.
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:18 PM

When he starts going to funerals, I will be impressed. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:15 PM

Regardless of politics, he took a personal risk, and showed his troops he cares; they appreciated it very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: curmudgeon
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 04:12 PM

Or was it a Photoshopped photo op?

Bat Goddess (not Curmudgeon but too lazy to sign in on my own cookie)

Subject: RE: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: Peace
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 03:44 PM

Gutsy move on his part. I don't like him, but he has cojones.

Subject: BS: Baghdad gets Bushwhacked
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 03 - 02:40 PM

Man, the Bush administration must really be desperate about the way things are going in Iraq, if Bush has to make a secret visit to his own troops!

From Reuters:

Bush Makes Secret Thanksgiving Visit to Iraq