BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...

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From: Bill D
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 11:56 AM

"If a man were to signify, which he were not- if he had the power, which being denied him, he were to endeavor anyhow, merely because he don't....would you?"

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From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:45 AM

If you don't like the manner, spelling, grammar, punctuation or any other aspect of the way a fellow poster chooses to contribute to our forum - perhaps it is better to accept that this (no matter how irritating you may judge it) is none of yours (or anyone else's) business?

Either post to respond to what your fellow poster is trying to say - or ignore it. Any form of personal judgements made about named fellow posters - made publicly - will mean that others will be subject to it, it will only risk a response in kind and clutter-up any attempt at a sensible debate on our discussion forum.

The fact is that the only posts in which you have any control over these aspects are your own. If you should consider that these aspects are best displayed in your postings - then if you continue posting in this manner - others may well agree and follow your fine example and not the example currently being set by our anonymous volunteer fellow posters who would now appear to be under the impression that their permission to post anything - is required.

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From: John Hardly
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:22 AM

The only time cut and paste is complained about is when someone from what is percieved as the "political right" post things that make most mudcatters uncomfortable.

It's an interesting pinch the mudcat left puts on the right -- the right is dismissed if they use sources (instead of just opinion) but if they do source, they are criticized for cut and paste.

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From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:21 AM

Of course, one can see double moral at work. Read Bobert's first post here and you'll see that it fits Amos' thread too. The 'credit' argument only came later.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:05 AM

Hey, if you want I'll c&p big, long, articles about whatever I think deserves to be brought to your attention and never attribute them or spend the time to make a clicky (it ain't hard for most folks, I figgered it out all by myself). That way I can prove the not only is George Bush really Karl Rove in drag, but also that the Vatican is behind the sacrifice of infants to a statue of Poopsie at the Skull and Bones clubhouse in downtown Meyer, Illinois -- which, as we all know, is the seat of the interplanetary conspiracy to bring the Martians to their knees by having Gluon change the weather on Titan which has also messed up the weather on Earth and caused hurricanes that have done so much damage lately and the aid for which from the Federal government was delayed because Karl Rove was in the Rose Garden dressed up as George Bush, his secret drag identity, with Laura Bush, who is really Hillary Clinton only with her hair dyed out having her little fling like Bill did.

That's the gist of it, you know. You can attribute all of the above to me and you really should, because if you don't you'll be really, really, sorry.

Not that I'll do anything, but your conscience will bother you a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 07:41 AM

Hey, you all, stop pickin' on Amos...

I not only stop in "popular Views" but contribute now and then with an original Bobert rant...

Bobert

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From: Emma B
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 04:35 AM

Thank you pdq for that; like Giok it was the first time I'd ventured into a thread that long too.
OK, I'm a Brit too, but it's wonderful to know that there are other thinking, reasoned people like Amos over there prepared to stick their head over the trench - and - just 'cos you don't like the message don't knock the messenger!

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 04:22 AM

Well pdq that's the first time I've looked at the Popular views of the Bush administration thread, and it looks to me like a Joe Clone should add Amos in brackets after the thread title, at least it would annoy Shambles. I must admit that I was surprised when I saw the number of contributions to that thread mount up, as I didn't think there was such a thing as a popular view of GWB. Anyway it's not up to us folks in the old country to intrude on America's private grief, although I do notice you seem to have more wind over there since he got in[or did he?]
Giok

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 03:59 AM

The usual limit for non-music copy-pastes is one screen. I went from a 19-inch screen to a 30-inch screen this year, so the limit went up a bit. There are certain threads that don't get monitored, so the over-length posts can get by unnoticed in them. I figure nobody in his right mind would go into the "Popularity of the Bush Administration" thread, or whatever it is, since it has 1300 messages. I don't know if it's a technical burden on Mudcat to have a thread that long full of ridiculously long messages, but it's there. I sure hope people don't open it too often. It looks like most of the time it's just Amos in there, talkin' to hisself.

But in general, the copy-paste stuff hasn't been the problem it once was, when people would argue back and forth without ever using their own words. That was just ridiculous.

-Joe Offer-


Please remember that in general, we encourage the posting of the full text of music copy-pastes - if they come from a source other than Mudcat. We don't need or want duplication of what we already have, despite what you-know-who seems to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:16 AM

Hey can I get a freee gift too?

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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 12:12 AM

Fundamentalist Muslims that sprung up under the Egyptian Alahwi (now bin Laden's right hand man) fully intend upon destroying as much of Western Civilization as they possibly can. The time line is still quite flexible. There are no clear quid pro quos or political compromises that will deter this religious war. One possible exception would be the destruction of Israel.
To think otherwise would be delusional.
The only thin line this fundamentalist war has yet to cross is the concept of measured reciprocity. You know, blowing up 8 or 9 of our nuke plants on any given Tuesday.
Once that line is crossed there is no retreat from a full scale nuclear response that will ignore all concepts of the innocent and lay waste to much of the Middle east, with strategic exceptions of oil fields.
The sins of US imperialism have of course played a part in the evolution of the radical Muslim jihadists but the culture of religious fundamentalist war has progressed far beyond the issues of American aggression and numerous regime changes.
There is nothing the US can put on the table to assuage any radical jihadist cleric. All we have left is our threat of nuclear annihilation.
This of course does not play well in Iran. Pakistan can dole out their 20 nukes to destroy American port cities should a trigger happy American President decide to show them who is boss.

Jerry PM me for your free gift.
Do not forget who is downwind of all the Middle East nuclear fallout.
China could simply decide the US has outlived its usefulness.
With our demonstration of how good our NORAD is and how well we respond to emergencies they have a reasonably good chance of taking their best shot and hope our submarines are not successful in achieving total Armageddon.

I'm sorry folks for bringing up the reality of a US nuclear response but it is now continually on a hair trigger.

An animal or a war lord administration is always most dangerous when it is wounded.

When our war lord says everything is on the table, "they" mean everything and everyone. When you have a multi bilion dollar bunker your thinking about such matters gets skewd and is not unthinkable at all.

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 12:04 AM

I should have said "most" of the other cut-and-pasters.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 12:01 AM

Oh dear. I do provide a link to the stuff I cut and paste but if I understand it correctly I should paraphrase the information in my own words, and just back it up with a paragraph or two? Sorry. I do get carried away and I will do better.

(I just looked up 'verbosity'. I especially like 'Circumlocution' and 'Prolixity'. Sound like my son and daughter.)

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 12:00 AM

Amos can and does express himself well. As for the other cut-and-pasters, it's an open question as to how much acquaintance they have with the English language.

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:51 PM

I also started a thread that was intended as a place to put those stories that you would ordinarily point out to the person next to you and say "did you see this?" They're on any number of topics, only pasted there because I didn't want to start an individual thread for each one. Sometimes people remark on them, and there are a few other folks who also stick interesting stories in there. It's less about debate than about just sharing interesting stuff.

I Read it in the Newspaper. (It looks like Foolestroup started it, but that's because the Mudcat scramble affected this thread along with many others.)

SRS

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From: open mike
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:40 PM

i am reminded of those posts that showed up here for a week or two
from that woman activist/journalist who had SOOOOOOOOOO much to say.
hey, what ever happened to her? and what was her name?

i think she had a web site that she quoted...at least the cut & paste
test seemed to be her own....but the volume was overwhelming...

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From: GUEST
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:36 PM

LOL - Bobert - best example of plebians given access doiong , doiong

doiong

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:46 PM

" Plus, with Amos's posts, you know who wrote them because he makes danged sure to credit the authorship"

that's true.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:41 PM

Difference between Amos's thread and yer cut-n-pastes, pdq, is that everyone knows what Amos is about...

He could choose to subvert every somewhat political thread with ebdless cut and posts but he keeps 'um right there in in his own little thread... That is alot classier than dumpin' stuff in verry thread that come along that criticizes Bush...

Plus, with Amos's posts, you know who wrote them because he makes danged sure to credit the authorship... You won't find any indless rants of statistics which cannot be confirmed by some blogger who juist wants to sound intellegent...

Amos has complete integrity...

You may not agree with him but he is playin' by the rules... No source goes unidentifiled....

Bobert

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From: Peace
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:32 PM

Short and to the point.

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From: pdq
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:22 PM

Winner and still champ, in the "copy 'n' paste" category, we have:

          bandwidth limiter extrordinaire

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From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:17 PM

Ahhhh, are you sayin' that there's a new Taylor in one of tyhese recent cat-n-pastes, Jerry???

Which one???

I'll read it... I swear I will... Every danged word... Need my address to send the guitar???

Please insure it...

Bobert

p.s. Good to hear from ya, Jerry... You been in my thoughts a bunch lately... I owe you a long letter, with pics...

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From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:17 PM

I definitely favor the link for a couple of reasons.

First, I find myself put off by long blocks of obvious cut-and paste text, and I confess I don't often give them more than a cursory glance to get the gist of the thing. Long strings of statistics are particularly snooze-producing. Gimme a link for this kind of thing. I'm more inclined to read something if a person posts a link with a word or two about what it is, or maybe a sample paragraph or two (75 words sounds about right). If you're trying to convince me of something, present a reasonable argument, complete with a link for any data that might need backing up. This is far more effective that trying to bury me in sheer bulk.

Second, I can then see what the source is. Not all web sites are authoritative or credible, and this way, I can evaluated it for myself. Uncredited citations are always suspect.

Don Firth

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:13 PM

HaHa ... luved that Bee-dubya-ell !! Well done indeed.

sIx

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From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:12 PM

Cut. Paste. Creep.

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:08 PM

But the blue clicky (most likely) points to a thousand words John O ... and who really wants to sit at some forum and read a thousand words ... If I did, I'd buy the book and sit in my easy chair and have an insightful read.

sIx

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From: John O'L
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:05 PM

A blue clicky is worth a thousand words.

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:03 PM

Taylor guitars ... very nice axes they are Jerry.

sIx

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From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:54 PM

They did an experiment once, trying to find the maximu number of words that people would read on a Museum label. It turned out to be less that 75. They tested this by saying in the text, after 75 words, "If you've read this far, please stop in the office for a free gift." The gifts went a'molderin'.

When I scroll down a long "cut and paste," I rarely even bother to read it. Maybe we should though, Bobert.. maybe they all say at the end of the seemingly endless text, "If you've read this far, please PM me for a free gift."

It would have to at least be a new Taylor guitar for me to do it, or it wouldn't be worth the energy.

If I want to read a book or a newspaper, I wouldn't be here in the Cat..

Jerry

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From: John Hardly
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:46 PM

transparent.

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From: Bill D
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:45 PM

the semi-'official' limit is one screen....and I too have been getting tired of folks 'arguing' by swooooping up 20 column inches of someone else's writing of data and whamming it down in here! If you can't be bothered to summarize, sort and provide links to your source, don't be surprised if you find stuff suddenly edited....I KNOW that politics and hurricanes and religion require a lot of talk, but MAKE A LINK...we'll read it if we are seriously interested.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:44 PM

Bandwidth be damned,
but any decent propogandist knows that 99.8% of readers turn off
if they have to scroll more than once.

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From: number 6
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:38 PM

I'm with ya on that one Bobert!

sIx

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From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:35 PM

Glad I got to ya before you did, Rap...

B;)

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From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:35 PM

LOL! Rap!

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From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:32 PM

Dang, Bobert, and here I was gonna paste in the US budget.

Subject: BS: Cut-n-paster's creepin' back in...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:25 PM

Well, well, well...

I hate to bring it up again but fir those of you who think you are being clever with yer "War 'n Peace" lenght cut-n-paste responses, all you are doiong is seriously weakenin' yer danged arguments...

... and wasting bandwidth!!!

If you can't make yer arguemnts without draggin' other folks blogs in word fir worfir word fir word than you ain't thinkin' 'bout nuthin'...

Hey, if you wanta read somethin' and come in and argue based on what you have read, fine, but at least make an attempt to be arguin' yer points as, ahhhhh, ***you***...

Tell ya what, most folks ain't gonna read no "War 'n Peace" length rebuttal that you ain't even written...

Plus, after you been through a couple of them, they are boring and not at all objective...

MO...

Bobert