BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Amergin
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 11:02 PM

Iraq...the 51st state....

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Janie
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:56 PM

Michael,

Here's another that could get to the right representative.I couldn't find my way back to the same issue once I signed up. Interesting site, by the way. Thanks for the link.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: LadyJean
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:51 PM

I would love to have registered my indignation, but the petition is to someone in California, where I neither reside nor vote. Could you help us benighted easterners please?

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:45 PM

Amos,

Yeah, I know... I'z jus' messin' with folks tonight. But... when you lokk at the polls (if you can beleive them which is another story) Bush's highest approval ratings come from white guys.

Now, that being said, I don't think its too far a stretch to say that the folks who were most instrumental in having the current squaters in power, are, ahhhhh,.... white guys. Makes ya wonder? Hmmmm? Who has most of the wealth? Ahhh, ... white guys. Whose got the government cature? Ahhhh, guess. Who spent the most to the campaignes to get these "white guys" in power? Ahhhh, guess, part 2... See where I'm going with this?

Ahhh, now I'm not saying that all white guys is bad. Just lots of 'em.

Like think back on yer life. Have you ever been fired from a job. If so, it was probably a white guy that did it. Been egvicted? Been sued? Been accosted? Been laid off? Been repremanded? Been? Been...?

Awww, nevermind. Jus in one of them dark (pun intended) moods...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Janie
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:41 PM

I get no pleasure in seeing my fears and predictions come true.

Wake up, America!!! For many of us who post here, this is our second experience with our government getting us in a completely wrong war--Oh, the ARROGANCE of our government. AND, Many of our government leaders are of our generation, and experienced 1st hand the terrible effect the Vietnam war had on our society.

Did those of us who were socially active then learn nothing from our experience about politics and the execution of power? Or is it that one can not wield offical power without allowing ones self to be co-opted? Why have we not raised a majority generation behind us who cared to think deeply and be involved, and to elect and support congressmen whose votes generally our beliefs and values?

I am so angry. I feel so powerless and ineffective. I am absolutely heartsick.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 10:02 PM

Don, that number actually translates to 435,000 troops -- 145,000 to be rotated home; 145,000 there as occupation force, and another 145,000 to replace them when it's their turn to come home. (And so on for years?)

Toadfrog, reports are that troop morale is at an all-time low, and bound to get worse.

Where are all these soldiers going to come from? It's relatively painless to volunteer for service in peacetime, but I'd imagine enlistment will go way down (if it isn't already) once the kids figure out what sort of hell awaits them.

Amos, I guess we can hope... and work to educate them.

I wonder what our resident ostrich, DougR, would say to the Resident's lies now being exposed? He was so willing at the time to give Bush the benefit of the doubt...

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 09:59 PM

Um...Bobert...ole buddy -- I would suggest that though it is a very convenient label, there are plenty of white males who don't buy governments -- you and me for example. And that there are plenty of white females who pull power strings over the breakfast table. And that there are plenty of wheelers and dealers who are not white. Even not male!! Maybe we need a better generality to bitch about, eh?

Say, where IS ole DougR these days?

A

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 09:55 PM

Well, like I pointed out on another thread, white US males control the politics of the US. They have the money and they purdy much buy what ever government they want and these folks have been so dumbed down that there is nothing that anyopne can say that will get them to see just how sucked into the game they are.

After the last two-plus years of an administration of severly dumbed down white men it is hard to fathom that, other than Al Sharpton, the rest of the field of incumbants and challengers are more, ahhh, white males?

Is there any end in sight?

And, yeah, lots of us were telling the DougR's and Teribus's and others that this is exactly where we were going to find ourselves and they wrote reem after reem telling us just how un-informed we were and now where are these folks? Hiding under there bed. That's where.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: toadfrog
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 08:51 PM

The worst of it is, even if we get rid of Bush, we are not rid of quagmire. Please consider:

British and American troops are being shot at. The whole country is overrun with looters and bandits. In Baghdad, honest folks can't leave their homes. We disbanded the Iraqui Army, and gave those soldiers no food and nothing to do. Now there are more than 100,000 trained fighters running around loose, armed to the teeth, hungry as hell and mad as hell. Not good. But, we are told, all those people who are shooting at our soldiers are holdout Sadaamists. They will all go away when we catch Sadaam, we are told. Does anyone believe that? Rumsfeld and his guy in Iraq seemed to have operated on the good old Republican theory - if someone is hungry, it is because he/she lacks moral fiber, let 'm eat hay. But it isn't Rumsfeld who will pay, it is the poor grunt on the ground - and a lot of innocent Iraqis.

I anticipate being told that I Hate America and won't support our servicepeople. But I really don't want those guys to get shot. And they must be getting extremely tired of Iraq by now.

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 08:38 PM

Already done. I signed up with MoveOn a while back.

I just heard on this morning's news (NPR) that they're now saying we'll have to keep 145,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely.

Way to go, George! #@%&*@!! (mutter mutter)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 08:26 PM

The real question is, will it bring the mob that thought he was so goddamned righteous to their senses? At least one generation of 'em?

A

Subject: RE: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 08:08 PM

Viet Nam brought Johnson down, maybe Iraq will bring resident Bush down.

Subject: BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq
From: michaelr
Date: 10 Jul 03 - 07:41 PM

As those of us who were worried about the Resident's headlong rush to war predicted, resistance in Iraq to US occupation is growing daily, and US and Iraqi casualties are on the rise, with no exit strategy in sight. Now the government is saying the troops may have to remain there for a year, and the cost to US taxpayers, according to Rumsfeld, has doubled from the previous estimate of $2 billion per month.

And one by one, the Resident's stated reasons for going to war are being exposed as the lies we knew them for all along:

1. There is no link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda/9-11.

2. There are no weapons of mass destruction (other than ours).

3. Hussein did not attempt to buy uranium in Niger. (Bush knew this before he made the claim in his State-of-the-Union address.)

4. The Iraqi people do not see our soldiers as their liberators.

MoveOn.org is asking Congress to begin an investigation into the deliberate deception of the American people by the Resident and his henchmen. You can add your voice to this groundswell by clicking on this link.

Let's continue to express out patriotic dissent and work to hold the administration accountable for their unforgivable war crimes.

Remember: If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

Cheers,
Michael