BS: Does this make you nervous?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 11:59 PM

Of course I don't take it seriously.

Or this one here.

But this one is a little bit scary. So is this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:26 AM

Me too.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 02:56 AM

Cluin, that one makes me nervous.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:57 AM

Then there's this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:45 AM

Guess not, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 02:47 PM

Did anyone e-mail those people?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 07 Oct 04 - 01:02 AM

"Yer lookin' at a man who's gettin' kinda mad.
I had alotta luck, but it's all been bad.
No matter how I struggle an' strive
I'll never get outa this world alive.

Muh fishin' pole's broke, the creek is full of sand.
Muh woman run away with another man.
No matter....

A distant uncle passed away and left me quite a batch;
An' I wuz livin' high until the fatal day
A lawyer proved I wuznt borned, I was only hatched.

Well, evahthang's agin me an' it's got me down.
If I jumped in the river I would prob'ly drown.
No matter....

These worn out shoes I'm wearin' all the time
Is full of holes and nails;
And buddy, if I stepped on a worn out dime
I bet a nickel I could tell ya 'f it was heads or tails.

I ain't gonna worry wrinkles in my brow,
'Cuz nuthin's evah gonna be alright nohow.
No matter how I struggle and strive,
I'll never git outa this world alive."
as the man said. Maybe what the planes are spraying is a brain tonic. It's been over 30 years since I've been able to remember so much of that song. One of the Hanks.   Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 03:24 PM

I'm so scared

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 02:26 PM

Then check Operation Cloverleaf , 200001475-K

or Operation Cloverleaf 9810109-V and 9910395-P

These documents were declassified and they are available from

       Office of the Inspector General
       Pattie Cirino
       Chief, FOIA/PA Office
       400 Army Navy Drive, Room 405
       Arlington, VA 22202-2885
       [phone]
       fax number: [phone]
       e-mail address: [e-mail]

I am a foreign national, so I won't even try. You however may wish to.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Oct 04 - 01:54 PM

I've read up quite a bit on this chemtrails thing. This web site is one of many that has a pretty good rundown on popular hoaxes and conspiracy theories HERE

THIS was found on the web site of a group that is highly susceptible to conspiracy theories and far-out ideas about secret plots by the U. S. Government or the "World Shadow Government." Even they don't buy the chemtrail conspiracy.

I have read the full text of HR2977, and it deals with using space for peaceful purposes (presumably attempting to put a cork in SDI ("Star Wars").

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action to adopt and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons.

It mentions "chemtrails" once in a list of "exotic weapons systems," most of which are theoretical : weapons that could possibly be developed or may even be on the drawing boards, but do not as yet exist, such as laser weapons or particle-beam weapons ("death rays"). As yet, lasers powerful enough to be used as weapons would be too large and bulky to use in the field unless transported by something such as a battleship, and they would require huge amounts of energy to power. The same is true of particle-beam weapons. Such weapons are being worked on, of course, but the laser-cannon is not going to appear on the battlefield for some time yet, and the hand-phaser is even further off. Lofting them into space ain't gonna happen for a while yet, Bush's wanting to re-up SDI notwithstanding.

If you really think about the idea of spraying chemical agents in the upper atmosphere as a weapon, it becomes immediately obvious that this could very easily come back to bite the aggressor. Most contrails (or if you insist, "chemtrails") form at the altitudes at which commercial jets fly, and that's up where they can take advantage of the boost given them by the jet stream (which sometimes moves as fast as 200 mph), thereby traveling faster in relation to the ground and saving fuel. At that altitude, anything sprayed from an aircraft cannot be guaranteed to fall to the ground below, even if one wishes it to be widely dispersed. It could very easily travel great distances. In fact, particulate matter like volcanic ash, heavier than chemical droplets or biological agents such as bacilli, can stay aloft and travel around the earth for several years. The ash from the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa traveled around the world for several years, even changing the weather in Europe for a period of time, and then there's the recent eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 "For months, the ejected volcanic materials remained suspended in the atmosphere where the winds dispersed them to envelope the earth, reaching as far as Russia and North America. This phenomenon caused the world's temperature to fall by an average of 1 degree Celsius." Even some of the ash from the 1980 eruption of Mt. St. Helens (currently doing its thing again) traveled all the way around the world.

Perhaps Dennis Kucinich (who I voted for in my precinct caucus) did believe in the existence of such a viable weapon. But since it was included in a list of possible or theoretical weapons, it may be that he merely wanted to cover the whole range of possibilities. And if it was removed, it was probably because he realized that 1) there was an existing conspiracy theory about chemtrails and its inclusion in the bill would add fuel to the fire (which it obviously has done), and/or 2) its inclusion in a bill he sponsored would make him look a bit flakey, which is not a plus for someone who plans on running for the presidency.

Let me put it this way: it's a small world. Chemtrails as a weapon would be very much like spraying your enemy with an aerosol can of smallpox bacteria or nerve gas while both of you are locked in a phone booth.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: pdq
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 09:21 PM

A few years ago, when I lived in the SF Bay Area, I recall the TV weatherman standing in front of a large picture of the sunset.

He pointed at the streaks across the sky and announced "these are entrails from jet airplanes".

I did not make this up! It was the CBS affiliate.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 07:54 PM

Tannywheeler

Right.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 07:41 PM

In Kucinich's first Bill, HR 2977, the term chemtrail was used.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:55 PM

Probably. It's a non-issue.

But then again, I've been on Kucinich's web site a lot, and I don't recall seeing anything about "chemtrails" on it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:41 PM

So that would be why the word 'chemtrails' was removed from Kucinich's proposed legislation?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 06:23 PM

Ye Gods!!! I can't believe this "chemtrails" thing is back again.

Somewhat over a year ago, "Dreaded Guest" posted a whole series of paranoid conspiracy theories, apparently trolling for responses. These nitwit posts included the contention that the Sand Point Naval Air Station in the northeast section of Seattle is a concentration camp run by the federal government and that a lot of people who were arrested in the "Battle in Seattle," the WTO protests a few years ago, are interred there, à la Guantanamo.

His (or her) problem with this was that it was totally untrue. The former naval air station was decommissioned several years ago and accept for a few buildings used by NOAA, it was given to the City of Seattle and is now known as Magnuson Park (named after former Washington State Senator Warren G. Magnuson) and is open to the public. I've been there many times for various events or just loafing along the shore of Lake Washington on a nice day. Great place for picnics.

Along with some 40,000 peaceful demonstrators protesting at the WTO conference, there were couple of hundred barbarians, along with a number of boisterous teenagers, who didn't give diddly squat about the WTO, but who looked upon the event as an opportunity to run amok, setting fires in Dumpsters and smashing storefront plate glass windows. The Seattle police—not the federal government—rounded these vandals up, and when the King County jail was full, they bussed them out to Magnuson Park and put them in the old Navy brig, which was still there. They process them, called parents to come and pick up their rowdy kids, charged the rest, and released them on bail the following day. Not exactly what most people would consider a "concentration camp." Granted, there were cases of some police "overreacting," but these cases were thoroughly investigated, handled with dispatch, the guilty parties were treated accordingly (everthing from reprimands through suspensions to firing). Since he felt responsible because it happened on his watch and because he also felt the citizens of Seattle had lost confidence in him due to the behavior of a dozen or so police officers, the police chief himself resigned. The new chief has tightened discipline within the department.

But this didn't stop Dreaded Guest. He (or she) came back with several other pieces of twaddle, including this "chemtrail" conspiracy. Here too, the facts just don't hang together. These are contrails—condensation trails—droplets of water that condense out of the atmosphere, that jet engines at high altitudes leave behind them. These have been around since the late Forties and early Fifties when the first jet fighters and bombers (such as the B-47 and B-52) went into service. When jet airliners, such as the 747 went into commercial service, contrails increased in number, and since almost all non-private (commercial and military) aircraft manufactured since then are propelled by jet engines, the number of contrails have increased, just as one would expect. The idea that these are something new, or that they are the trails of military planes "crop dusting" us with bacteria or some other substance to turn us into obedient zombies or dose us with drugs and medicines without our knowledge or any one of a number of dire, deep-laid, and despicable conspiracies on the part of the government, or governments, or agencies unknown, is just plain rampant paranoia. The various folks who promulgate these stories about "chemtrails" can't even get their stories straight about who it is who's supposed to be spraying us with which chemicals.

My brother-in-law was a career airline pilot, recently retired from Northwest Airlines. Prior to that, he flew F-89 Scorpions in the Montana Air National Guard. He's made one helluva lot of contrails in his life. When I told him about Dreaded Guest's obsession with "chemtrails," he just shook his head and laugh. Contrails, he said, are the result of a combination of altitude and weather conditions. How fast or slow they dissipate depends on how much wind there is at the altitude in question. High winds, they dissipate quickly. In light winds or in calm, they can hang around for quite awhile. There may be hydrocarbons or minute droplets of unburned jet fuel in the contrails, just like emissions from an automobile engine, and some environmentalists have expressed concern about what this might be doing to the ozone layer. But that hardly qualifies as the deadly and dastardly conspiracy that some folks try to claim that it is. Incidentally, at lower altitudes, jet aircraft are emitting the same hydrocarbons they do at higher altitudes, but do to that atmospheric conditions at lower altitudes, they don't leave contrails.

The document attributed to "anonymous mechanic" is all over the internet, and most of the web sites dealing with "chemtrails" referred to this one source as their authority for the "truth" of this conspiracy. I guess this accounts for the reappearance of this bit of paranoid ding-dongery.

Stay tuned folks. Next week:   the Dreaded Black Helicopters!   

Don Firth

P. S.:   There are those whose level of paranoia is such that they will maintain that my expression of skepticism regarding this matter makes it clear that I am part of the conspiracy.

P. S.:   How's this for paranoia? I suspect that Dreaded Guest might still be with us, wearing another mask.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 05 Oct 04 - 12:43 PM

Mr. Keller, if you took that oath, you were going to work for me. Whatever your current job in life is I don't release you from that oath. You know what it means and have experience to understand its ramifications and may be able to help the rest of us stand up for it. Tw

p.s. Because there's some of this stuff making us nervous -- and SOME of it may be true.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:46 PM

Tannywheeler:

Yes, I took that oath once. But this time I was quoting Edward Abbey.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:43 PM

I looked through it peedeecee. Not a very good debunker because the site is very poorly written. However, it'd nice to know what the government wants us to think. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,peedeecee
Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:30 PM

I have no opinion on any of this, but the website below claims to "debunk" the chemtrails issue as a hoax. Might be worth checking.

http://www.worldzone.net/international/chickiedeb/

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Oct 04 - 11:14 PM

my relatives were gardeners and fruit pickers they fled the Oky dustbowl to settle in the central valley of California and local politicians put them on the dole to be replaced by stooped spics with a short handled hoe

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 04 Oct 04 - 08:21 PM

I think when the Okeefenokee Porcupine had met the Enemy, "...it's US'N." Somebody with a copy of the strip in question should look it up.

Mr. Keller, I think it's "...defend the Constitution...against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC." And I think it should be all of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:43 PM

The real enemy is anyone who wants to control your life.

Ol Cactus Ed Abbey said it well: "No man is wise enough to be another man's master. Each man's as good as the next—if not a damn sight better. "

and

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."


clint

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:39 PM

Bill,

I don't believe the only blast came from outside the building.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:36 PM

"unite against the real enemy" ..which is??? Us? (as in Pogo)...as in U.S.???

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:25 PM

Guest - I am having a little difficulty following your logic.

Can you please explain your last post?

Also - Do you really think gardeners and fruit pickers are taking jobs away from Americans? I doubt it. For as long as I can remember those jobs have been reserved for minorities and children - they are the only ones who are so easily exploited.

Jobs are going oversees thanks to your friends at the Corporation.

Racism sucks! It serves only to divide people so that they won't unite against the real enemy.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:23 PM

"The Oklahoma City bombing was from a blast that originated inside the building. " ?????????????????????????

please tell me you don't REALLY believe that....

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: 42
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:55 PM

I can't decide if it's Shatner or the black thong that makes me more nervous.
j

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:32 PM

Give the USA the provence of Quebec and see if they can be more succesful than Mexico with Texas.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:14 PM

Now, THAT image makes me nervous.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:11 PM

Is NOTHING sacred anymore?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 10:02 PM

As it should.

I have absolute faith in your instincts, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:58 PM

Then too, the fact that William Shatner has decided to appear in next month's "Mr Suburban America" contest in Schenectady, New York, wearing only a tiny black thong makes me nervous as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:17 PM

It makes you nervous if you're a Canadian. We are well aware that we have the most dangerous military power in the world on our southern border, and that we could do precious little about it if they decided to occupy us at some point for our "protection".

No doubt about what that would mean...an end to our own democratic freedoms and independence (as well as that of Americans) and an end to all we have hoped for and worked for in this country over the last couple of hundred years.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 09:10 PM

It really does seem remarkably naive to assume that it's terrorists sneaking across the border that are the main danger. Looking in the wrong direction.

That is even aside from the fact that, with the number of ways of getting into the USA that exist, there'd be no serious difficulty in getting people in for any group with the competence to pose a serious threat.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 08:40 PM

There have been more instances than that over the past few years. The Oklahoma City bombing was from a blast that originated inside the building. Still no access to the 12 surveillance tapes that would have shown the person who was with TMcV.

Some of the Feds who worked there seem to have been told not to show up for work that day. Destabilize and fill the void. Get people used to seeing soldieers on the streets where they used to see cops. Interesting concept.

Something is seriously rotten in the US. It is likely and organization that has three initials.

As an aside, re chemtrails, google

chemtrails, pseudomonas fluorescens

I question the innocence of the whole Project Cloverleaf because it lends itself so well to depopulation, were anyone sick enough to think that way. Interesting that in Kucinich's first Bill, HR 2977, the term chemtrail was used. In the Bill that passed, the term was taken out. It is nowhere to be found in Bill HR 3616. (The Space Preservation Act). IMO, something really sucks about all this.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: kendall
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 08:36 PM

Not to mention Ruby Ridge and Wounded Knee.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 08:20 PM

So what's the guess on what sort of chemicals are being sprayed from commercial airlines that is benefitting all of America's citizens?

...any time American troops are deployed on American soil firing on American citizens, I become nervous. For illustrative purposes, I submit the examples of Kent State and Waco.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:25 PM

You suppose his/her answer to this thread title is, "Yes"?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:23 PM

Lotsa angst there.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:08 PM

By the way, ever heard of punctuation?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:07 PM

Hey Pat Buchanan! How ya bin?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 07:02 PM

if your country was being invaded along its southern border you would welcome the intervention of the military the worst of all are the pregant ones that can poop out a baby and become the mother of a citizen with all the welfare benefits education and health facilities the border states are going bankrupt as the reclaiming of Azatlan continues and the Spanish/American war continues to be fought since they never recognized the treaty we dont need the stinking gardners and grape pickers taking jobs from citizens and their music was stolen from Germany

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 06:29 PM

Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 06:14 PM

I couldn't find operation/project cloverleaf in snopes. Odd.

and anything resembling martial law makes me nervous.

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: pdq
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 06:05 PM

AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT
Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of the author
May 22 2000

Mr. Carnicom:

I read the email you received from the anonymous mechanic and felt
compelled to respond to it. I, too, work for an airline, though I work
in upper management levels. I will not say which airline, what city I
am located, nor what office I work for, for obvious reasons. I wish I
could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is
next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me.

The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in
America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf
for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed
on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees
who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo
background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign
non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone
what we know we could be imprisoned.

About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two
officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.
They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along
with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.
When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them,
they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we
weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals
were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to
be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig
military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there
weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such
a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was
initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these
chemicals into the atmosphere. Then someone asked why all the secrecy
was needed. The government reps then stated that if the general public
knew that the aircraft they were flying on were releasing chemicals into
the air, environmentalist groups would raise hell and demand the
spraying stop. Someone asked one of the G-men then if the chemicals are
harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are
spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a
tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on,
but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that
we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it. With
that, the briefing was over.

All documents in our office pertaining to Project Cloverleaf are kept in
locked safes. Nobody is allowed to take these documents out of the
office. Very few employees are allowed access to these documents, and
they remain tight-lipped about what the documents say.

Mr. Carnicom, I am no fool. I know there's something going on. And
frankly, I am scared. I feel a high level of guilt that I have been
aware of this kind of operation but unable to tell anyone. It's been
eating away at me, knowing that the company I work for may be poisoning
the American people. I hope this letter will open some eyes to what's
happening.

Again, I wish I could give you documented information, but you have to
understand why I must remain totally anonymous.

Thank you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note starting date of program: 1998, during Clinton's impeachment.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 05:53 PM

Here's a neat thing to do if you have 15 spare minutes. Ask your Congressman/woman or Senator what Project Cloverleaf is. See if you get an answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 05:15 PM

Thing is, he doesn't leave power until January 20, 2005. Lots can happen in 77 days.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 05:11 PM

brucie - If he loses the election, he will no longer be 'in charge' of any troops. It is more likely that if he 'wins', he will need troops to control the outraged mobs. I, too, believe that these measures are already being put into place.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 04:34 PM

My guess is he will have troops on alert around the country in case he loses the election. That will, of course, require a threat to the country. I expect they are working on that even as we speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 03:41 PM

My guess is that after Bush wins the election, they will need to impose martial law.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 03:28 PM

Isn't there a bill before congress about a draft?

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 02:16 PM

Dated December,2003.
Given that local authorities throughout the United States have said that they have neither the money nor the manpower to protect our borders properly, I prefer to see the military involved to leaving them unguarded. Of course, in a crisis, power struggles over who is in charge are bound to arise. Hopefully these issues have been addressed.
Fears of a miltary "takeover" are a bit paranoid especially since most of our forces are out of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Cruiser
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 12:45 PM

Brucie: The directions say "Cut and Paste", actually it is a "Copy and Paste"

Cut and paste this into your post:

a href="www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa503.pdf">www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa503.pdf

When you copy the URL above that appears on the Link Maker page, be certain to highlight all the link including the < at the start and the > at the end, the < and > are required for a successful link posted. I had to remove them and the "a" and "/a" to get most of the URL text above to display and not create a true link.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:41 AM

Brucie, here is your blue clicky. Be sure and add the "http://" when you type in the website address. Blue clickies must have the entire address.

Deployed in the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:31 AM

GUEST:

Thank you. I have tried that just as you said.

i) The link doesn't turn blue.

2) When I test it before pasting to the post, it always reads that the URL can't be found.

Subject: RE: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:24 AM

brucie, if you can figure out how to post a message here with copy and pasted URL into a message, you can make a link. Here is how:

1. Click on "Make a link" below the message box.
2. Copy and paste the URL into the top field titled "Link URL"
3. If you want the blue clicky to say something instead of just showing up as the URL, type it in the second field marked "Link text (optional*)
4. Click "Create link" button
5. In the new window, copy the entire line of symbols, numbers, letters and words under "Cut and paste this into your post:" but above the line.
6. Paste the link where you want it in the post.
7. If you want to do a "test" to see how it will look before you post your message, click on the "Preview" box next to the "Submit Message" button below the message box. You can then click on the "blue clicky" yourself in the test Preview Message to see if the link works. If it does, just click the "Submit Message" button. If you want to edit your message further, do it and then send the message.

It really is a simple as posting here.

Subject: BS: Does this make you nervous?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 04 - 11:10 AM

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa503.pdf you must remember to put the "http://" phrase when you are building a link. Mudelf

or Google

Deployed in the USA

Sorry I can't make a link. However, the 22-page article talks about the recent use of military personnel to perform arrests within the borders of the USA. The military is beginning to handle what has traditionally been perceived to be police work. I was wondering if it made any Americans nervous. Anyone?