2013 Obit: Hugo Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 08:35 AM

Here's another article about Chavez's revolution:

50 Truths about Hugo Chavez and the Bolivarian Revolution

One thing you can be sure of about 99% of the time...if the USA mass media are in the habit of reviling, demonizing, and ridiculing any Latin American leader, it is because he is helping the poor people in his country...and frustrating the efforts of the American big business community and the international bankers to exploit his country for their own profit and keep the poor people down in wretched poverty, without education, without medical care, and without hope.

If so....then he's a deadly enemy of American big business and multinational corporations, and you can expect a CIA-sponsored coup or an invasion at some point to bring his government down. (Such a coup was attempted once on Chavez, but the attempt failed.)

Fortunately for Latin Americans, the USA has been so disastrously embroiled in the Middle East for the last couple of decades that progressive movements in Latin America have managed to make much headway recently. The great Anglo-American Empire simply doesn't have the financial or military resources to completely dominate politics everywhere all at the same time, though it would certainly like to. Empires fail when their reach finally exceeds their grasp.

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: dbranno
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 10:54 AM

Thank you L.H. I guess one's point of view depends on context.
Most posters here seem to be in the Americas, some pommies of course, 'Anglo-American' being a useful guide to the prevalent memes that provide the philosophical bases of the busy contributors here.
The view from the other side of the world however, is quite different.
Perhaps the patriots here, Ron, Bobad et al, could do some investigative research on the inequalities of their own country and its leadership?
And wishing the people of the sovereign state of Venezuela every success in managing their own destiny (and of course their large reserves of very high-grade oil), free of outside interference by big brother appointees...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/08/where-is-americas-hugo-chavez/

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Mar 13 - 01:52 PM

The party system is one thing, the language used is another. There's no particular confusion while you're using party labels .- I mean, nobody thinks that because someone is sounding of against Democrats they are necessarily against democracy, and attacking the Republicans doesn't automatically imply they want to bring back a hereditary monarchy.

But denouncing small l liberals and liberalism is something different. It's taking a word that any decent person, right across the political spectrum, should see as positive and turning it into an attack word. As I pointed out, anyone who is actually opposed to liberals is by definition illiberal. To adopt a term sometimes used in British politics as something t avoid, it is defining yourself as belonging to the "nasty party".

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 04:50 AM

The problem mr McGrath, is that many of the most illiberal people on this board would define themselves as liberals.

The examples of immigration controls and the place of homosexuality in society are controvercial issues with vadid arguments for and against.....however, some "liberals" apear to be on a mission to enforce their agenda and no alternative veiwpoint is tolerated.

These people seem to think that by hiding behind the notion of "equality" in a system that is patently based on inequality, anything is permissable and should not be questioned,

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 09:04 AM

I am sure all kinds of illiberal people would describe themselves as liberal. As Oscar Wilde said of hypocrisy, it's a kind of homage paid to virtue.

The point is, it is best used as a general term across the political spectrum, like moderate, or pragmatic, or even kind. You can have a liberal conservative or a liberal socialist, or a liberal anarchist for that matter. They aren't going to agree on much, but they are at least committed to behaving towards each other in a civilised manner.

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 02:46 PM

Like Castro, Chavez has been villified by capitalists who see then as a threat to the corporate gravy train! Such ideas as keeping oil revenues at home to benefit the people of the country certainly made him a villan! He was democratically elected and re-elected replacing a much more corrupt regime! If he himself was so corrupt he certainly could have gained much more personal wealth taking oil company bribes than by sending those bastards packing, so go figure.........
Steve Harper has managed to embarrass Canadians once again by shitting on the sympathy card that he sent to the people of Venezuala on our behalf!
RIP Hugo!

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: gnu
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 03:15 PM

Indeed, Sandy. I was appalled at some of the sentiments in statements of US politicians but OURS? I was more than appalled. I've got half mind to write a god damned letter.*

* Most know I will say... Canuck joke, eh. Apologies to That Canadian Guy.

Subject: RE: Obit: Chavez Dead - Viva la Conspiración
From: meself
Date: 11 Mar 13 - 03:22 PM

Meanwhile, Chretien - who kept us out of Iraq, when Steve wanted us in - attended the funeral ....