BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 09:55 PM

Right you are, Amos.

I can just see the headline in the New York Post:

"Hillary On Blue Collar Workers: Screw 'Em"

Perfect.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Amos
Date: 20 Apr 08 - 07:48 PM

The Clinton Chronicles present mind-numbing evidence concerning her "fully vetted" background.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Amos
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:29 PM

IGnore my previous post. I think, having looked into it a little further, that the "Clinton Chronicles" are pretty overdone, intentional defamation. While there may be grains of truth in the stories, it is impossible to sort out at this point, without investing a lot more time than I have, anyway.

Der Spiegel remarks:

"She's begun to look desperate -- at least as far as she's hurt her own poll numbers with a fake anecdote about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996, or with snide denunciations of MoveOn.org, the grassroots movement which has been a crucial source of support for Democrats in the last two elections. She claims MoveOn has intimidated her own supporters in early caucuses and primaries.

Her latest campaign ad claims, "Obama voted for the Bush-Cheney energy bill that put $6 billion dollars in the pockets of big oil." There's no mention of the fact that the bill, which was supported by many Democrats in Congress, actually raised taxes for oil companies and promoted investment in renewable energies.

Chop, Falsify, Spin

Clinton is following a game plan that Republicans brought to perfection in campaigns against her (in her run for the Senate) and her husband Bill (during his time as president) -- chop, falsify and spin, until something falls apart.

The latest example is Bill Ayers. In the '70s he belonged to a left-wing radical group, the Weather Underground. In those days Obama was just a child. Now Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois, and in 1996 he threw a fundraising dinner for Obama's state senate campaign. The Clinton campaign has thrown the connection to a "radical" back in Obama's face.

She has also accused him of "elitism" -- a label that sank John Kerry in 2004 -- after Obama said it was no surprise that after eight years of Bill Clinton, and eight years of George W. Bush (and 25 years of Rust-Belt unemployment (more...)), some "bitter" small-town Americans "cling" to religion and guns. At the same time, she made sure to be photographed downing beer and shots of whiskey in various places around Pennsylvania -- as if she were a woman of the people and not a multimillionaire...."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:57 PM

Bobert, kid gloves are a soft leather sometimes made from goats. Kid's gloves are tiny gloves made of thinsulate.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 01:58 PM

Saw the title of the thread and thought for a second she'd taken over where Monica left off.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 02:27 PM

Have you noticed that over the past few weeks the lady has been 'dressing down"?

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to give the voters of Pennsylvania the idea that she really is 'one of them' and not a multi-millionairess whose normal wardrobe would probably cost more than a lot of the voters earn in a year.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:38 PM

Peace! That doesn't say much about Bill! Fuses are tiny!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 02:07 AM

"...I was one of those people Barack accuses of being willing to settle. I even had framed a flattering autographed message from Hillary. But as the campaign has gone on and on, her signed portrait still leans against the wall in my study. I don't know where she belongs anymore.

At least Hillary was a known quantity in my life. I knew of the danger of her becoming more and more hawkish as she tried to break the ultimate glass ceiling. I also knew that she could be forced to change course if public opinion was fiercely opposed to the war. And I knew she was familiar with radical social causes from her own life experience in the sixties. So my progressive task seemed clear: help build an antiwar force powerful enough to make it politically necessary to end the war. Been there, done that. And in the process, finally put a woman in the White House. A soothing bonus.

But as the Obama campaign gained momentum, Hillary began morphing into the persona that has my pacifist wife screaming at the television set.

Going negative doesn't begin to describe what has happened. Hillary is going over the edge. Even worse are the flacks she sends before the cameras on her behalf, like that Kiki person, who smirks and shakes her head at the camera every time she fields a question. Or the real carnivores, like Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis and James Carville, whose sneering smugness prevents countless women like my wife from considering Hillary at all.

To use the current terminology, Hillary people are bitter people, even more bitter than the white working-class voters Barack has talked about. Because they circle the wagons so tightly, they don't recognize how identical, self-reinforcing and out-of-touch they are.

To take just one example, the imagined association between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers will suffice. Hillary is blind to her own roots in the sixties. In one college speech she spoke of ecstatic transcendence; in another, she said, "Our social indictment has broadened. Where once we exposed the quality of life in the world of the South and the ghettos, now we condemn the quality of work in factories and corporations. Where once we assaulted the exploitation of man, now we decry the destruction of nature as well. How much long can we let corporations run us?"

She was in Chicago for three nights during the 1968 street confrontations. She chaired the 1970 Yale law school meeting where students voted to join a national student strike again an "unconscionable expansion of a war that should never have been waged." She was involved in the New Haven defense of Bobby Seale during his murder trial in 1970, as the lead scheduler of student monitors. She surely agreed with Yale president Kingman Brewster that a black revolutionary couldn't get a fair trial in America. She wrote that abused children were citizens with the same rights as their parents.

Most significantly in terms of her recent attacks on Barack, after Yale law school, Hillary went to work for the left-wing Bay Area law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, which specialized in Black Panthers and West Coast labor leaders prosecuted for being communists. Two of the firm's partners, according to Treuhaft, were communists and the two others "tolerated communists". Then she went on to Washington to help impeach Richard Nixon, whose career was built on smearing and destroying the careers of people through vague insinuations about their backgrounds and associates. (All these citations can be found in Carl Bernstein's sympathetic 2007 Clinton biography, A Woman in Charge.)

All these were honorable words and associations in my mind, but doesn't she see how the Hillary of today would accuse the Hillary of the sixties of associating with black revolutionaries who fought gun battles with police officers, and defending pro-communist lawyers who backed communists? Doesn't the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whom Hillary attacks today, represent the very essence of the black radicals Hillary was associating with in those days? And isn't the Hillary of today becoming the same kind of guilt-by-association insinuator as the Richard Nixon she worked to impeach?

It is as if Hillary Clinton is engaged in a toxic transmission onto Barack Obama of every outrageous insult and accusation ever inflicted on her by the American right over the decades. She is running against what she might have become. Too much politics dries the soul of the idealist."

Why Hillary Makes My Wife Scream...Tom Hayden

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 08:20 AM

He should have never left Jane Fonda.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 12:25 PM

I am sure Hillary would make Jane scream too.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 12:44 PM

I don't think I'll touch that one!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 01:42 PM

Hillary Makes Jon Stewart Laff--well worth watching. If only we were ALL good Republicans...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Blows a Fuse....
From: Leadbelly
Date: 24 Apr 08 - 02:52 PM

A horrible couple for to govern the US: Mr.(Dr.?) Bill Jekyll and Mrs. Hillary Hyde. What a nice feeling is coming on.
Americans are a miracle to me. Do they ever learn, do they ever learn...