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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: JJ Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:50 AM Who will write a "Candle in the Wind" for Vickie Lynn? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Greg F. Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:08 AM Quite often the public blond bimbo is the facade of an intelligent woman working ... And more often not; a bimbo is just a bimbo. Speaking of "shallow" and "addled": her death is significant and worthy of all this attention nd verbal wrangling and angst because.....? Or is this a Donne-style situation where "Any bimbo's death diminishes me" ? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:09 AM I know other thread titles have been changed with less provocation. I understand that these kind of decisions are arbitrary, and I do not mean that as a knock against anyone. We are all human. Joe makes a good point about this opening up a discussion about our views on death. I'm sure none of us cherish the thought that there are people out there ready to dance on our grave when the time comes, but it is reality. I would have hoped that Mudcat and Mudcatters would have shown a bit more compassion but people are what they are. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:12 AM I'm glad that guest ozchick said that he actually thought she'd bought a farm because that is what I thought and I'm pleased I'm not the only one. I don't have a problem with the title. I felt really sad when I heard the news, probably because she was an interesting person who had lead an unusual and interesting life even though there were some very sad times for her. If anybody makes a film of her whole life I will definitely watch it. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Wesley S Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:51 AM Why is "bought the farm" used as a term for death? For that matter what about "kicked the bucket"? Does anyone know? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: mg Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:11 AM has to do with benefits the families of soldiers got in one of the world wars...they often used them to pay off the mortgage on the farm. mg |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:27 AM Idiomatic expressions are one of the reasons that language translation can become an art form. When we are, as the saying goes, "separated by a common language," it illustrates this all the more. "PC" has nothing to do with this, but it is an easy charge to make if you disagree. The dismissal of a life with a throw-away idiom (as discussed at length) is bad taste, but aparently also in the eye of the beholder. Morning Edition's piece about her death from this morning. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Amos Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:57 AM "The farm" is just the six-foot plot. Soldiers often talked, also, about buying a little farm when the war was over; and those who didn't make it bought a different sort of farm altogether. It is a phrase used by soldiers to lighten the burden of grim reality, and is not disrespectful--in fact, it is meant to be friendly, or at least comradely. A |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Amos Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:01 AM Two erudite discussions on the origins of this phrase can be found at Snopes and at Word Origins. Neither discussion is definitive, but both trace the phrase back to the nineteenth centruy. A |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Wilfried Schaum Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:33 AM buying the farm like pushing the daisies is appropriate only for soldiers facing death everytime. It is their way of managing their fears with irony, and should be restricted to them. I wouldn't mind to read it from wherever I'll be in my obit, but for this beautiful mother it seems very inappropriate to me. Poor woman, poor girl. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:51 AM Okay, so that takes care of where "bought the farm" came from. How about "kicked the bucket"? Got a derivation for that, Amos? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Amos Date: 09 Feb 07 - 11:59 AM You can use the Internet as well as I can, Monsieur Hawk. A |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Amos Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:04 PM But since you ask, although I left this note for you over on Rapaire's birthday thred, here's the answer: "One theory as to why, albeit with little evidence to support it, is that the phrase originates from the notion that people hanged themselves by standing on a bucket with a noose around their neck and then kicking the bucket away. There are no citations that relate the phrase to suicide and, in any case, why a bucket? Whenever I've needed something to stand on I can't recall ever opting for a bucket. This theory doesn't stand up any better than the supposed buckets did. The mist begins to clear with the fact that in 16th century England bucket had an additional meaning (and in some parts it still has), i.e. a beam or yoke used to hang or carry items. The term may have been introduced into English from the French trébuchet - meaning a balance, or buque - meaning a yoke. That meaning of bucket was referred to in Peter Levins' Manipulus vocabulorum. A dictionarie of English and Latine wordes, 1570: "A Bucket, beame, tollo." and was used by Shakespeare in Henry IV Part II, 1597: "Swifter then he that gibbets on the Brewers Bucket." [to gibbet meant to hang] The wooden frame that was used to hang animals up by their feet for slaughter was called a bucket. Not unnaturally they were likely to struggle or to spasm after death and hence 'kick the bucket'." |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Charley Noble Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:08 PM BUT WHO IS THE MURDER? We're running out of time here. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Ebbie Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM I think it may have been the gummint, Charley. See, Anna Nicole was a longtime - and good - mole... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Richard Bridge Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:36 PM My impression (I did not study her closely) was that she was unfairly denigrated simply because she was obviously attractive and had big (artificial) breasts. That in itself would not justify the hostility shown above by some. It has struck me that she would have had some way to go to get down to the level of Jordan - and the sad gain of weight spoke of a person suffering. I know little of the facts, but my inclination is of sympathy for her. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Bill D Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:08 PM Charlie...just a small detail...her husband was J.Howard Marshall....Pierce, I believe was the recalcitrant son who fought with her. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:36 PM Someone on NPR this morning described Ms Smith as "famous for being famous". It's indicative of the power which mass media and mass marketing exert over much of our society that a woman whose sole claim to legitimate "fame" was the good fortune to have attracted the eye of a lonely rich man should have been elevated to a level of celebrity equal to that of the most talented among us. In the absence of the money-seeking machine that attached itself to her like a leech, she would have been a brief blip on our communal radar, a curiosity whose untimely death would have meritted brief mention, not newspaper headlines and magazine cover stories. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:50 PM There is a lot of truth to the "famous for being famous", but I think it is wrong to dismiss it as just another story about mass marketing. People get attracted to these type of stories because it brings out something of their own lives. People need to releate, even to the unobtainable. In her case, she was a topless dancer from a town in Texas, earning money so that she could keep her child. She gained the attention of Playboy and soon became the Playmate of the Year. She signed a contract with Guess Jeans and soon her face (and other body parts) were well known by all. THEN, she married the oil tycoon who took care of her. Her career was written off numerous times, she was written up as a kook, yet she bounced back. A single mother who did very well for herself. Sure, there are other ways to survive. Sure, she earned more than what the rest of us would consider a fair share. Yet behind the story is a moral lesson of survival, gettign ahead, and the dangers of success. THOSE are the lessons that attract people to celebrity. It is too easy to write it off as a media driven story. You need to look at the reasons why the story gains attention. There are many women like her with similar stories, but her story was the one that captured attenion. There is a reason. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: GUEST,mg Date: 09 Feb 07 - 01:55 PM They said last night she had a fever of 105 degrees and was put in an ice bath in the hospital. I think this was by a medical reporter but don't know for sure. That is way past the point a traveling nurse should ahve been involved...certainly the hospital way before that temperature was reached. It is all highly sad and now even more mysterious, if this is true. mg |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Desdemona Date: 09 Feb 07 - 02:31 PM I agree that this is an unhappy end to a very sad story; I, too, was surprised t how saddened I was by the news of the passing of someone of whom I'd had pretty limited awareness. She seems to have been a very confused person who just wasn't getting whatever it was she needed; and who hasn't been there, if only briefly? It's easy to play the armchair psychologist and speculate about her early life, teenage marriage & divorce, the slings & arrows of public life, etc., but in the end no one really knows what's going on in someone else's most intimate experience, and I suppose that being a public figure--for whatever reason--must make it that much more difficult to form meaningful connections. It seems apparent that her various weaknesses were frequently exploited by others, and it all adds up to her dying alone in a hotel room: just sad. In the most simple human terms, having one child die within days of another's birth would be enough to send most people over the edge; it doesn't even bear thinking about. I, too, worry about what will happen to her baby now; it's hard to be optimistic, unfortunately. ~D |
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Subject: BS: The fathers of Anna Nichols baby From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:23 PM There are easily 25 - 30 fathers of Anna's baby. So far Howard k Stern Birkhead ZZ Gabor's husband Don Hakman The Prince of Monaco Hard Rock bell hop Amos Catspaw The Pope Bill Clinton Bill O'Reilly Bill Melater |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Donuel Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:39 PM Within an hour before she was cold, CNN and MSNBC were debating who would get the money. I would only hope they would show the same disrespect and contempt within minutes of reporting W's or some other Bush administration member obit |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: GUEST, transient caricature Date: 09 Feb 07 - 07:12 PM Everybody's a dreamer, and everybody's a star Everybody's in show biz, it doesn't matter who you are ______________ above from "Celluloid Heroes" by Ray Davies of the Kinks |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Charley Noble Date: 09 Feb 07 - 08:31 PM Bill- Thanks for your correction, just in time to repair my manuscript entitled ANNA NICOLE SMITH BUYS THE FARM before I submitted it to Time-Warner. Whew! So I'm thinking the mother is my favorite prime suspect. After all she is, or was, a deputy sheriff and should know more than a hundred ways to do people in. I don't recommend marrying her. You can say that you thought this up on your own, but know in your heart that I beat you to it! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith - Feb 8, 2007 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:41 PM Three different men now claim to be the father of her daughter. And the court won't authorize taking a DNA sample, though they're keeping her body for at least 10 days after the autopsy. Anna Nicole, meet James Brown. . . it really is sad, the fighting that will go on. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Peace Date: 09 Feb 07 - 10:45 PM The woman, the mother, the person is dead. Always will be some classless AHs who have to argue over her grave, both on an off the thread. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:30 AM All of which goes to prove the unfortunate point that our societies (the western ones, certainly) have become driven by the thought of money, riches, lolly, dough, lucre. She was not "famous for being famous", she became famous for marrying a rich guy. And it's consideration of those riches that keeps the media (and her camp followers) spinning in such unseemly fashion. It certainly isn't consideration of her as a person or a mother that has them going frantic. Somewhere, other women died the same day. They were not rich or famous. Some of them probably left small children behind with no-one to look after them. And their death generated no TV soundbites or newspaper column inches. My heart goes to them as much as to Anna, and probably a touch more. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: GUEST,LilyFestre Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:41 AM I've been thinking about what Joe Offer had to say about bringing up discussions and conversations. Hmmm. Does anyone really think that discussions and conversations would have come to an abrupt halt about Anna Nicole Smith if she had been given a regular obituary post like everyone else? LQF |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:01 AM Probably not entirely - after all it's people, not just the media, that are driven by interest in money. But I suspect we'd have had less than 10% of the current level of conversations. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Jeri Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:49 AM I wonder just how petty the semantics arguments are going to get. Anybody watch Larry King last night? Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband claimed to know who the father of her daughter is and said he'd tell if either of the two main contenders was named. He said there were '30' more possibilities. They also had the coroner who did the autopsy on - nothing conclusive, although he said there were no pills in her stomach. She'd had a 'stomach flu' for 3 days, and there was a nurse with her. May have been her bodyguard's girlfriend. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: heric Date: 10 Feb 07 - 10:56 AM >Anybody watch Larry King last night?< Yeah Donuel started a thread on that last night but the thread was closed immediately and the conversation came to an abrupt halt. Shambles was spinning in his grave. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Jeri Date: 10 Feb 07 - 11:13 AM Heric, it appears Don's posts are in this thread, but he posted before Larry King aired. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Greg F. Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM Well, ain't that America- apparently nobody has anything substantive to engage their attention. The media & the public go into a phrenzy for days- weeks- possibly months?- over this dead bimbo and Molly Ivins gets a one-line footnote. Rock on. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: wysiwyg Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM Molly Ivins got a whole thread here, too. Maybe two. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:13 PM Good for you, susan. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Alba Date: 10 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM Women supporting a dead woman being called a Bimbo. How far we have come. This fu**in thread should have been closed days ago. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Ebbie Date: 10 Feb 07 - 02:18 PM I just realized the difference: There are losses that are not easy to discuss. Like that of Molly Ivins. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Peace Date: 10 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM "A 26-year-old prostitute was fatally wounded while she was walking Wednesday night in a West Side neighborhood. Emmy Torres, a mother of four, was shot once in the side and died in the 1400 block of Loma Vista around 10 p.m., police said. "We do have a bunch of people saying they heard one gunshot and possibly a car drive-off," said Sgt. Matthew Podwika of the San Antonio Police Department. Investigators hope that someone will come forward with information that will lead them to a suspect or a motive. "We don't understand who did it, why they did it, but we're going to find out who it was," said Mary Alice Martinez, the victim's sister-in-law. Martinez said that Torres was walking with her ex-husband when she was shot and that it was possible that the killer may have been a "John" who might have been jealous." I am sorry for this girl, too. But she don't rate too much in the news, does she! A poor gal selling her body to raise her kids. Not a rich prostitute--a poor one. I thought I'd post the news article here because a few of you may be the only ones who give a damn. Maybe if she'd had a thousandth of ANS's money she'd not have had to sell herself. I feel sorry for this girl. I can't really say I do about ANS. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: dianavan Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:18 PM Alba - "Women supporting a dead woman being called a Bimbo." I think that actually says alot for women today. In the past, 'good' women would have thought that the 'bad' woman deserved it. Today we have a better understanding of how women like Ann Nicole arrive at their place in society. She can easily be seen as a victim of Hollywood stereotypes combined with the idea that money creates happiness. To me, her death is very sad and not much different than the untimely deaths of many women in the sex trade. Most, however, remain anonymous. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: heric Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:32 PM On Google's front page right now, Obama's announcment for President gets 896 news references. Putin's speech claiming the the US wants to dominate the world gets 260 references, and Anna Nicole gets 2,440 citing references. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Peace Date: 10 Feb 07 - 04:37 PM How about Emmy Torres? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:02 PM She parlayed 15 minutes of fame into 30 minutes---give or take. Interesting article today where her mother says she never grew up as this poor little tyke---middle class in Houston. But, Anna Nicole told her mother that is not a story that gets you any attention. Yes---famous for being famous. Amazing who comes out of the woodwork---the younger husband of the 90 year old Gabor among others. What a great bunch of class acts that we all waste our time thinking about. All so that they can fight for the inheritence the daughter might get. Gee--Gabor should have married the old billionaire--they were the right age. I guess Anna Nicole was just in love---what a caregiver. Now, this will probably get me a lot of criticism. Marilyn Monroe. She parlayed it into one hell of a career---and, frankly, I did not think she was that good an actor---but she sure attracted the intelligentsia as well as the athletes. For a lot longer than the famous 15 minutes of fame Bill Hahn |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Alba Date: 10 Feb 07 - 05:13 PM Actually Dianavan it appears I may not have expressed my opinion well sorry for that, I did not intend to be so inarticulate...it just happens that way sometimes!.I actually think the reverse of what you are pointing out to me. So in the interest of clarity I shall attempt to make my opinion clearer. It seems to me that it is acceptable with some women that the word Bimbo is being used in relation to the dead Woman, Ms Smith. "I think that actually says a lot for women today" Exactly...how far we have come...or not! Seems now that Ms Smith's "Obit Thrad" has gone from announcing her death to a general opinion that she was nothing more than a Bimbo that performed sexual acts with men for payment and was famous for doing so rather than being one of the many anon Women and Men that work in the Industry that never gain fame or fortune!! Wild huh! As I said earlier..this f***in thread should have been closed days ago imo Oh and the title is still in very poor taste, no question of that, but even though many said it was in poor taste..it remains the same. Yip that says a lot about about a lot, again IMO Off to the Music section for some fresh air.. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: dianavan Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:18 PM Yeah, thanks, Alba. I get the point. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Alba Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:13 PM You're welcome Dianavan. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Donuel Date: 11 Feb 07 - 12:22 AM why so upset It has gone far beyond the Warhol adage of 15 minutes of fame because today one can be famous for merely being famous. In Anna's case however she cornered the market on naked sexuality AND big huge MONEY. money and sex seems to strike a cultural chord no matter what you are selling. She sold them both, with a little help from lawyers, Hugh Hefner, Conald Trump etc. and even the Supream Court. $EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX$EX you don't have to worship it but by God it sells and always will. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Wordsmith Date: 11 Feb 07 - 02:27 AM I agree with Charley Noble that there are too many bodies and unexplained deaths. Now, to add to the mixture, Zsa Zsa Gabor's husband now claims he's the father of ANS's daughter. I'm not making this up. He claims he's been having an affair with her on the side. Wonder how Gabor feels about all this. Hope he fled to a hotel, because we all know what she did to the cop who tried to write her a ticket in Hollywood...or was that Beverly Hills? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Greg F. Date: 11 Feb 07 - 06:20 PM Great. Now we've got two Go to http://news.google.com- search for 'woman dies' and you'll get these ten deaths: Woman Dies After Driving Car Into Ice - WTKR Hialeah woman dies after car plunges into canal off Alligator Alley Woman Dies Attempting To Douse Flames- A 20-year-old S. Philadelphia Elderly woman dies in house fire- Limerick Post, Ireland Socorro Woman Dies After Being Hit by Trucks-KDBC, TX Woman dies after jump off overpass Orange County Register, CA Woman dies in wall collapse -Newindpress India Married woman dies under mysterious circumstances PunjabNewsline Trapped By Flames, Aurora Woman Dies Woman dies after cancer blunder stv.tv, UK plus 4,524 more. Why is |
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Subject: RE: Obit: Anna Nicole Smith buys the farm From: Bill Hahn//\\ Date: 11 Feb 07 - 07:47 PM 2 Threads---gee---the 15 minutes of fame is now times 2---so 30 minutes. Still cannot believe her case got to the Supreme Court---and they won't hear important cases. That must show us something about our society and our court. Bill Hahn |
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