BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 09:59 AM

"""Substantial Pension" sounds better still.""

Or would, if we hadn't been robbed of five billion by "Victor Meldrew" Brown and the arrogant social climbers of the previous thirteen years.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 10:11 AM

Enjoy retirement Backwoodsman. Everyone I know or knew reckons retirement can be a bit too busy! (I "retired" when I sold up some business interests and resigned from the board, but within a short time, I started working again. I sincerely hope you are more clever than I and enjoy retirement instead!)

Al, point taken. Manton was of course a Yorkshire area pit physically in Nottinghamshire, so was a focal point for all. Hence criminal elements and radicals on all sides (Met and Merseyside being the constabulary criminal elements) focussed on Manton. My point was that some on these threads have been in favour of suspending democracy if it interfered with their ideology. I have little time for the naive at best, condescending at worst attitudes of the "arrogant posh boys" but also accept that many people voted for them, so they have at least as much right to govern as any if voting patterns are reliable.

I've just returned from South Africa where, on Robben Island, I spoke with Yasin Mohammed, who worked during apartheid in many countries, raising the profile of jailed civil rights activists and comrade of Mandella, and Sobukwe. He quoted Mandella in saying that to replace one system with another turns the oppressed into the oppressor, so what have you improved? These guys didn't want to govern, they wanted to ask the whole population who they wished to see govern for all.

So perhaps instead of questioning the right of "arrogant posh boys" to govern, perhaps stating that they would not get your vote would be a a bit better? Me? I'd vote for them tomorrow if they could deliver my idea of equitable government, same as I would vote for Screaming Lord Such if a) he could deliver and b) he was still alive to do it.

The trick is not to have a chip on your shoulder. Roots and heritage don't make good government, an economy that can and does deliver an equitable social program does that, regardless of whoever speaks for it and debates it.

Mind you, I treat Tory dogma with the same disdain as Bridge's barbecued donkey on the road to Damascus. (If you are sad enough to read everything he writes, you may recall he used to call himself a one nation Tory....)

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 11:01 AM

No, Mither, I said I used to be a one nation Tory. I was 20 then. I grew up and saw what the arrogant posh boys did. But keep reading, and you might learn.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 01:56 PM

I do read Bridge, and I hope I learn too.

I learned never to judge a book by its cover for starters. Even arrogant posh books...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 02:27 PM

currently reading -amongst several others- naomi klein's 'shock doctrine' frightening and very thorough account of the ruthlessness with which the american military/industrial elite and chums have been enforcing a particularly nasty strain of neo-fascist capitalism wherever they can. also reading alan davies' autobiography - a wee bit easier and one or two better jokes. and gormenghast, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:17 PM

When arrogance was being handed out Ian you were first in the queue, so I suppose we must treat your posts on the susject with respect, but if given a choice I think I would rather listen to Richard, who at least believes in real change though his methodology is a bit on the "liberal" side for my taste.

You on the other hand, seem to favour just keeping on as we are and hoping something will turn up.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 09:28 PM

Back in the yuppie early 90's I was suffering a suit and tie job in central London

[me - poor wannabe mixed media artist desperate to pay off credit card debt].

I remember one morning being crushed as usual on the tube
on the way to another grinding boring life wasting days office tele marketing survival work;

me squashed right up close to an immaculately groomed classicly posh handsome youngish city banker type.

He was wearing one of the most obcenely expensive designer suits I'd ever seen.

Far better tailored material even than my own vain foppish office manager.

[by comparison, my jacket was 30 quid from "Next"]

Tube banker boys suit must have been at least 500 quid from the family tailor..

I was so crushed up and far too intimately close - morning rush hour.

So close I was overpowered in discomfort,

he reeked of shit - honking bad stink of badly wiped bum.

Lunch time at the pub, I dined out well on that story..

He must have been so posh and soo cosseted by 'nanny'
that for all his money and city glamour appearance,

he couldn't have ever learned how to properly wipe and wash his own arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 04:21 AM

I've got a "Next" jacket...which i only wear on very special occasions and want to look "smart"??? :0(

How did you know the guys suit was "obscenely expensive"...or designer???.....I wouldn't have a clue about such things.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:25 AM

No Akenaton, I may or may not be arrogant, but you haven't put that to the test.

You see, your homophobic rants on these threads demonstrate that you want to change people who you don't agree with. I reckon that is a far better description of arrogance, don't you?

I don't want to change the world, (except in asking that people see other people as equals, and not judge them through bigoted preconceptions,) I just point out that democracy is possibly a crap system, but it is also the best hope we have.

Hence being bemused by Bridge's attempts to get people to hate others based on agreeing with their take on life. I didn't even hate Th*tcher, just hated what her policies did and how misguided they were. I have similar views on Osborn's priorities. I think Cameron is too hands off, hence cabinet running riot. Mind you, if he was more hands on, that could be a disaster too as he is not a good Prime Minister.

But I fully accept that they are there till an election says otherwise, and I shall cast my vote accordingly. In the meantime, I remain bemused by supposedly educated people spouting the idea that things should change by other than fair means, and by fair, I mean democracy. it's a little faded, a little ragged around the edges, but it still fits and still keeps us warm.

Oh, and sorry for answering your posts. I recall I once said I couldn't see any reason to ever try to engage you in debate, but that's the thing when you are not arrogant, you can change your mind.

Going to get a bath now. Pip Pip

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 05:34 AM

Maid's day off today - does that mean I have to do the washing up?? At least she was here to post our votes for Boris!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Acorn4
Date: 29 Apr 12 - 01:19 PM

Apparently labour now have an eleven point lead in the polls even with Ed Milband.

I also like the quote earlier in the week about George Galloway:- "Why does everyone take an instant dislike to me?" -- "It saves time!"

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 03:42 PM

arrogant? posh? maybe we are too polite to these people and should treat them with the contempt they deserve. they are perpetuating a system that is robbing us all for their benefit. apparently they are so wealthy and well connected they don't need to pay tax and can't be prosecuted for their crimes - so they should be made to pay in other ways. anyone any suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 04:32 PM

That diatribe is very tired indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 07:29 PM

true enough - just quite enjoyed this thread

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:28 AM

So did I. Didn't half bring out a few stereotypes and most laughable of all, those who question the right of those who are different to them having the right to be put up for election?

I don't think the governing of this country is poor due to dogma, I think it is poor due to incompetence. There is a difference... A report yesterday in The Indescribablyboring questioning how so many senior civil servants, including many permanent secretaries have voted with their feet over the last three years.

Now that IS scary. Many USA commentators including past Presidents have admired how we only change the politicians at elections and the secretariat remains the same which allows for good continuity. Sounds like a lot of incompetent ministers have lost the handbrake....

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:36 AM

'incompetence' certainly - but indolence too. the intensity of the class war being waged on 99% has been incessant since the '70s. we have lost badly with no sign of a meaningful fightback in europe or america. we just can't be arsed - surely we could get rid of them with a bit of effort. having stolen much of value in the many countries of the world -now they are looking to steal democracy. financiers in the greek government, 'legalised' electoral fraud in the usa and tories doing their anti-democracy thing in the uk.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 06:56 AM

I wish I was posh. I think posh people have an easier time of it. Particularly when it comes to getting jobs. Interviews - that sort of thing.

Underneath, we're all idiots. But some accents and mannerisms give the game away too easily.

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: Musket
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 07:03 AM

Don't fidget during an interview Al. It gives the game away.

They instinctively knew I had a ferret up my trousers.

And after all that money I spent on elocution lessons in Rotherham...

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 09:22 AM

4 Decades ago my family proudly believed my passing the 11 plus
would be a passport to life as a comfortably well off gentleman.
Grammar School would educate the council estate out of me
and lead to a good permanent job in the Civil Service
and membership of an exclusive golf club.

Unfortunately what good education did do was divert me into a life of cultural & political dissent,
and a life as a pennyless unemployable smart arse agit pop punk folk guitarist........

Subject: RE: BS: Arrogant Posh Boys (UK politics)
From: GUEST,petecockermouth
Date: 15 Aug 12 - 05:46 PM

mine's a similar tale. you can educate all you want and give your kid a house with the daily mail and no books and no music and say to him 'the last 7 generations of your family have been in the border regiment' and it meant absolutely nothing when i visited my sister at stirling uni (1971) and heard john martyn and dylan -play it loud! met real people with real hair and real politics - and the drink and the dope - (at 15)the defining weekend of my life. nothing much changed til a few years later, when i was a student there myself in loon pants and velvet jacket, i saw the damned. well - that was a blast - shook things up a bit.