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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Dec 08 - 07:37 AM Well Comrac, while I agree wholeheartedly that Ireland should be united, I would like to know your answer to this question. If the UK and all it's appendages and institutions left the 6 counties tomorrow, what would happen? John 'XG' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 08 - 03:46 AM Comrac, are these the loyalist bombs you refer to? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7761981.stm Nasty, but hardly comparable with the large roadside IEDs that have been planted to try to murder police officers. You are scathing of Sinn Fein and hopeful for the new group that you say is democratic, but will they be a challenge to Sinn Fein in a ballot? Do the wishes of the majority matter to you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: John MacKenzie Date: 05 Dec 08 - 05:55 AM Ah Keith, you are on a slippery slope there mate. If the wishes of the majority had really mattered to the British governments, Northern Ireland would not have come into being. Irish Home Rule, 1867-1921 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 08 - 06:26 AM That is the trouble John. Try to talk about the wants and needs of people trying to live their lives right now, and someone immediately harks back to events of a hundred years ago! Since you bring it up, back then Sinn Fein, campaigning for home rule, could hardly get a vote and not even enough support to remain solvent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:23 AM Yes and I stand by it. I made Oakville tell the truth, except that the real Oakville felt no shame for the lies he told. When the victim of a lying attack by a Guest, why should I not fight back when the mods did nothing? Presumably you support the lying Oakville. Tell us why. (Please delete along with troll) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,Comrac Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:31 AM Sorry Keith A I don´t compare bombs, why are you saying the Loyalist ones are acceptable ? I see you are in Hertford, England. So possibly you understand then that loyalists have worked with your Crown forces in Ireland, north and south in murdering people for their faith. Maybe that is why your government is in no hurry to put the screws on them to disarm. Sorry I cannot speak for eirigi, so I have no idea what their plans are. You ask "Do the wishes of the majority matter to you?" I ask you, are you saying because I would like to see unity in Ireland and the end of British rule that I am not entitled to an opinion ? I see from your previous posts you defend the role of your government in Ireland and support the military role and defend them. Not knocking you mate, that is your prerogative. Faults can be found in both our nations, but you guys had the rule of law on your side (your law) and what they done to the Irish nation over 800 years is shameful. Your nation supported the Free French during the 39-45 war, were they terrorists or freedom fighters ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Teribus Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:47 AM As to what's allowed and what isn't, any single Guest can create and post under as many names as he wishes using the prefix Guest, so I can hardly see why a member cannot ditch his "cookie" and do exactly the same posting as a Guest. I also though that merely posting as GUEST was no longer allowed, but there you go, you've slipped through that particular net. As to content of the post dear GUEST: "Keith, I have found no bigotry or slurs in your posts." I think on examination you will find that statement is perfectly true, and it basically remains to be equally true whether it was written and posted by Keith A of Hertford aka "GUEST, Oakville"; or GUEST aka GUEST, "select whatever" aka "GUEST, Oakville. "I take it back." Now I do believe that if the poster Keith A of Hertford aka "GUEST, Oakville" discovered that he had posted something that was untrue and completely in error he would apologise and say exactly that. From the absence of a response from GUEST, aka "GUEST, select whatever" aka "GUEST, Oakville" providing an example of "Keith's" posts containing bigotry or slurs, we know that they would not even dream of doing such a thing, preferring instead to just morph into another GUEST identity and let his lies and slanders stand. "I am ashamed." Now I do believe that if the poster Keith A of Hertford aka "GUEST, Oakville" discovered that he had wrongfully accused somebody of something that they had in fact not done, he would feel sufficiently ashamed enough of his conduct to publicly apologise. GUEST aka "GUEST, select whatever" aka "GUEST, Oakville", on the other hand wouldn't know shame if it smacked him upside of the head with an 18lb sledge-hammer. I do believe that Keith A of Hertford did fully explain why he posted as he did. Oh and by the bye GUEST aka "GUEST, select whatever" aka "GUEST, Oakville", you still haven't had the guts or honesty to admit that you made a mistake - begone and good riddance to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Teribus Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:12 AM Terrorist bombs are terrorist bombs, plain and simple, they mostly target the innocent as the statistics from Northern Ireland plainly show. British, or Irish Governments not putting pressure on the "Loyalist" paramilitary groups to disarm?? I can't remember them putting any pressure on the "Republican" paramilitary groups to disarm either. What we got were statements of intention and then they took their own sweet time about it. I note that Guest Comrac does not mention CIRA, or RIRA, who are still armed and active on the "Republican" side of the equation. As for: "You ask "Do the wishes of the majority matter to you?" I ask you, are you saying because I would like to see unity in Ireland and the end of British rule that I am not entitled to an opinion ? You are of course entitled to your opinion, but that opinion doesn't then give anyone the right to justify and advocate the instigation of a bombing campaign against innocent civilians in order to change their minds. Fact Ireland will be united when the majority of the people of Northern Ireland vote for it. When asked at the time of the GFA referendum if violence had a place in politics in Ireland the referendum taken throughout the whole of the island of Ireland came back with a resounding NO. Now I don't know what that suggests to you Guest Comrac but the one thing it most certainly is not is a mandate for any paramilitaries "Loyalist" or "Republican". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:14 AM Comrac, may I reply to each point. "Sorry Keith A I don´t compare bombs, why are you saying the Loyalist ones are acceptable ?" I said they were nasty, not acceptable. But unlike you, I consider the bombs of both sides. "I see you are in Hertford, England. So possibly you understand then that loyalists have worked with your Crown forces in Ireland, north and south in murdering people for their faith." No. "Maybe that is why your government is in no hurry to put the screws on them to disarm. Sorry I cannot speak for eirigi, so I have no idea what their plans are." No challenge. "You ask "Do the wishes of the majority matter to you?" I ask you, are you saying because I would like to see unity in Ireland and the end of British rule that I am not entitled to an opinion ?" Yes you are, but not to impose your will on an unwilling majority by force. "I see from your previous posts you defend the role of your government in Ireland and support the military role and defend them. Not knocking you mate, that is your prerogative." The military role was to counter the military action of paramilitaries. "Faults can be found in both our nations, but you guys had the rule of law on your side (your law) and what they done to the Irish nation over 800 years is shameful. Your nation supported the Free French during the 39-45 war, were they terrorists or freedom fighters ?" The Free French did not have the alternative of voting out the Natzis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,Little Englander Date: 06 Dec 08 - 07:51 AM What if the Nationalists become the majority in Northern Ireland in the foreseeable future? The Unionists can re-draw the border around three counties where they will constitute a majority and declare that 'Ulster' [with the backing of the British army] will never surrender. That should give us another century or two of strife to be going on with, and the Tories will still have a faint ghost of their empire to get puffed up about. Little Englander |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,SW12 Date: 06 Dec 08 - 02:05 PM Subject: RE: BS: Britain and Germany rule the waves ! From: GUEST,Oakville Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:18 PM Keith, I have found no bigotry or slurs in your posts. I take it back. I am ashamed. This message appears to have been posted by Keith A of Hertford. That's not allowed, Keith - and you damn well know it. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,SW12 Date: 06 Dec 08 - 02:27 PM Yes I see Keith admits to underhand tactics on threads to create trouble, very underhand, very British Keith. Who are you tonight Keith or Oakville ? Keith did you not read the Stevens Report which provided the first official acknowledgement of collusion between loyalist armed groups and British security forces in the murders of nationalists in Northern Ireland ? Such collusion and associated conspiracies have been a central feature of the British response to the conflict in Ireland for more than thirty years. It amounts to a Holy War, or Jihad, in the name of Protestantism and the British monarchy. That war has been swathed in secrecy and denial, protected by notions of 'national security' that pervade every corner of the legal system and the political establishment a very British Jihad. As well as Keith, we see the crazed Teribus ride in to this thread. I see Teribus attacked the good people of Balham on this site. Well buddy, I live in the South West of London and we en't too keen on old Tars either, we saw enough of their antics, 80% of sailors or Royal Marines are considered to have made advances towards other males. So Teribus, I won't be giving you my email address, so you can bring a tear to someother poor sods eye. Solicitor Pat Finucane was murdered by loyalists operating with the assistance of British military intelligence.Teribus more or less agreed with this when he was boasting about observing torture tactics in Ulster while serving over there. What about the British agent and UDA intelligence officer Brian Nelson Keith ? Nelson's diary revealed was that British military intelligence and covert units, including the Force Research Unit and 14th Intelligence, were intimately involved with loyalist armed groups. These groups had been equipped with armaments sourced in South Africa and smuggled into Northern Ireland with the full knowledge of MI5. links between soldiers, police officers and loyalist gunmen, RUC cover-ups and the notorious Portadown based 'ratpack' led by 'king rat' Billy Wright. Keith/Oakville, whatever you would like to be called tonight, what is special investigation into the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, read up on it. Teribus, maybe you should investigate the unsavoury relationships between the intelligence agencies, politicians, the police, the British Army and loyalism instead of verbal attacks on the honest hard working folk in Balham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,SW12 Date: 06 Dec 08 - 02:34 PM I think this is about as low as a person can go. Keith was beat fair and square by a respected vistor to this site a chappie called Oakville. Keith was advised by a jolly good bunch of chaps to give consideration to accepting defeat in a particular debate. No such luck, cheeky Keith took on the unsportsmanly role of letting on he was this Oakville chap and and began to write posts under his name. Pretty bad show I say. I see it hasn't been the first time Keith has done this. Pretty darn low I'd say, pretty darn low. Subject: RE: BS: Britain and Germany rule the waves ! From: GUEST,Oakville Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:18 PM Keith, I have found no bigotry or slurs in your posts. I take it back. I am ashamed. This message appears to have been posted by Keith A of Hertford. That's not allowed, Keith - and you damn well know it. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 06 Dec 08 - 02:47 PM why Joe, its simplicity itself. There is Keith. He has a glove puppet called Oakville. He has another called Guest SW12. After an acerbic dialogue, Oakville and Guest SW12 agree that Keith is a pretty good chap and has basically sound ideas on the subject of Ireland. Hope this clarifies things for you. I realise that politics over here can seem a bit complicated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,London Irish Date: 06 Dec 08 - 03:17 PM Not as complex as this guy Keith. Why does he which to mimic other people who post here ? Bit sad really. And why is this other guy attacking the people of Balham London SW. Come on pal, the people in Balham are as British as they come, Best of British getting verbals from Teribus, blow me down my old sparrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 06 Dec 08 - 05:06 PM Balham - gateway to the south..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Sing-Along Steve Date: 07 Dec 08 - 09:43 AM It saddens me to read people referring to such a place as "Northern Ireland", as if it were a separate place and not the north OF Ireland, which it is. People are talking about terrorist bombs being terrorist bombs, no matter what... Let me ask you: If you had a rapist or murderer in your house who somehow managed to secret himself in the house in such a way as to be very difficult to root out, would YOU allow yourself to be called a terrorist if you finally just dynamited the bastard out? Didn't think so. Why, then, are the people of Ireland made to accept the rule of an invader, no matter how long that invader may have been there? The answer I would give to an intruder, especially one who sought to retain control over my person and goods by force, would be, "get the fuck out", whether I was saying to them 5 seconds or 100 years after their arrival. I agree that there are more peaceable ways to end the conflict than bombs and guns, but there are no ways at all to end the conflict without ridding the NATION OF IRELAND, the WHOLE beautiful nation, of its problem: occupation by a hostile force. When boyhood's fire was in my blood I read of ancient freemen, For Greece and Rome who bravely stood, Three hundred men and three men; And then I prayed I yet might see Our fetters rent in twain, And Ireland, long a province, be. A Nation once again! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Dec 08 - 10:04 AM some mothers don't arf 'ave 'em. Seriously! what a complete singalong braindead bumhole! I find that post so stupid, so offensive, so lacking in compassion for every party. Piss off! and set dynamite off in your own house - see how you like it, and the effects of it. You obviously live nowhere where such things have happened, wankalong willy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Dec 08 - 11:07 AM Sigh:-( One more time now... As long as people keep dredging up the past what chance has this war torn area got? DeG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Dec 08 - 02:29 PM Re me imitating Oakville. Yes and I stand by it. I made Oakville tell the truth, except that the real Oakville felt no shame for the lies he told. When the victim of a lying attack by a Guest, why should I not fight back when the mods did nothing? Presumably you support the lying Oakville. Tell us why. The thread is here in case anyone wants to look and see who was debating and who lying. thread.cfm?threadid=113936&messages=92 And now you are telling lies about Terribus. Balham? Can you produce this post? No. Telling lies in a debate destroys your credibility. You are not helping your case. If you want me to respond, just make your points without the nonsense.
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Dec 08 - 03:34 PM I said I will repond to points put without personal attacks, but only if they are relevant to the current peace process. If they are dredging up events from the troubles of bygone centuries, you will have to use a different thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: GUEST,Oakville Date: 07 Dec 08 - 03:41 PM I wish only to tell the truth, sadly I can no trust you as fly boy Keith has ruined this and many other threads by playing dirty. Keith why oh why did you do this, I lost all respect for you and can no longer trust you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 07 Dec 08 - 04:12 PM Keith, I think it fair to warn you - you have lost us all! The thing about Oakville, he was never quite as good after leaving Keith Harris. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Teribus Date: 07 Dec 08 - 06:09 PM So we have Guest Oakville, who is also Guest London Irish, who is also Guest SW12, who is also Guest Little Englander. Balham?? When have I EVER posted ANYTHING about Balham - Now come along, take a big dose of Methadone, toddle down to the British Government sponsored Portacabin with its charity computers, do as much research as your addled brains will allow and come back with a reference to this supposed post of mine about Balham.
Oh, and those of you who insist on using multiple identities may find yourself blocked or deleted. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace in Ireland? From: Joe Offer Date: 08 Dec 08 - 06:44 PM One final note from David el Gnomo, received 8 December, 2008:
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