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Subject: BS: Will US GoToWar With Iraq?-CastVoteHere
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 09:37 AM

Just your votes please. You can explain why, but please don't get into your beliefs as to the "rightness" or "wrongness" of the situation although you can add a bit if you absolutely need to. Just simply, will the US go to war with Iraq or not?

I think it's inevitable, and very soon.

Every Guard and Reserve support unit around here has been called up, Powell says it is now in the "end game," Bush says Iraq's time is up, and....if you want real proof.....the 101st Airborne has been re-deployed. Jack Kennedy saw the importance of taking action but saw the equal importance of gaining the backing of the OAS, NATO, and of course the UN, before taking that unilateral action. It was a strong action we took then, but an action tempered continually with an eye toward stopping it as soon as possible, when conditions were met. Bush will not do this, but will only ignore Iraqi concessions, or add new stipulations, whatever is required, to flex American muscle.

It's going to happen folks.

Spaw------------Somebody say it ain't so please!!!!!

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From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:23 AM

Sorry, I'm afraid we will. Don't like it, but there ya go.

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:25 AM

My earlier post to this thread got eaten!

Yes.

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From: Teribus
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:30 AM

The US won't, the UN will unless Saddam bucks his ideas up.

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From: stevetheORC
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:57 AM

It's going to happen folks as sure as eggs is eggs. GW wants it and what GW wants he gets.

Orc

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From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:58 AM

Yes we will. Bush needs the war to distract the US from the lousy job he's doing at home and he needs Iraqi oil to line the pockets of all his oil buddies.

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From: BanjoRay
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:13 PM

If there's no war, then Bush is a better poker player than Saddam, and has made him throw in his hand (and his weapons). Somehow I doubt that! ie YES.
Cheers
Ray

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From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:14 PM

Sadly, yes. I have a cold,cold fear in the pit of my stomach over what's to come.

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From: NicoleC
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:29 PM

I haven't given up hope yet it will be averted, but yes, I do think so.

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From: *daylia*
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:46 PM

I thought there was a 50-50 chance either way until I saw recruiting ads for the Canadian Armed Forces on TV this week. I hadn't seen ads like that for many years, and my hopes sank. So now I'm guessing the odds are more like 75-25 in favor of going to war. And that REALLY SUCKS!!!!

There's still hope though. Whatever people are choosing to do to influence towards peace, please keep it up and DON'T GIVE UP.

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From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:49 PM

What Nicole said.

Don Firth

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From: InOBU
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:52 PM

For my answer, check out this thread... "I've been asked to sing to the far right" -
Cheers
Larry
PS Any max clones feel free to make a blue clickythingee...

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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 12:56 PM

I think war has always been the intention of Bush. I see little hope of it being avoided.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:00 PM

Yes

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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:03 PM

Actually thinking again, NO the US will not. Assuming it happens, it will be worse than that - the US and the UK will.

Jon

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From: gnu
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:09 PM

At sundown, Iraqi time, February 15.

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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:15 PM

Yes and no.

The US will go to war, but only as part of the UN. Bush's grandstanding is meant to legitimize the UN and undermine US national sovereignty. Before long the US will have UN backing, and the war will begin.

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From: Gareth
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:15 PM

Saddam has already declared war, against Isreal, the West, and his own people.

If war there is, and Saddam can stop it, then I am happy to say "Yes 1 - in my name !!"

Gareth

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From: DougR
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:22 PM

Yes, the U.S. will lead a coalition of nations with or without UN support.

DougR

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From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:34 PM

The U.S. will not declare war. A disarmament intervention, though, will almost certainly happen, supported by Britain and no one else.

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From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 01:48 PM

Bush will, yes.

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From: Peter T.
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:02 PM

Dearly as I love catspaw, I think this is a dumb way of asking questions, which I notice is spreading. The question is "ought" they go to war, not will they. Voting on "will" they is simply expressing your opinion on how you think the future will unfold. It is like voting on whether Shania Twain's current album will sell 10 million copies. It may, whether you like it or not. It is disempowering, as if you are predicting whether or not you will be crushed by a big machine.

yours, Peter T.

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:04 PM

I suppose it depends what you mean by war. There'll be an overwhelming and devastating attack on Iraq, that's pretty clear and it has been all along, regardless of anybody outside the White House.

Just as the people who planned September 11th must have hoped for.

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From: MMario
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:13 PM

Peter - whether the US "will" go to war and whether the US "ought" to go to war are two seperate and distinct questions. And the answer to the former could well be yes even if the answer to the latter is no!

It could be argued that the correct answer to the latter question is *ALWAYS* "No".

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From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:27 PM

Peter, I love you too...........And at the moment (and over the past few months) we have about 50 or so threads focusing on the "ought" part with opinions being expressed by many here. I think a majority of the "regulars" have posted on them, and while opinions may vary, they are all about the reality of the actions being taken. In all of that I realized that it was extremely rare for anyone to state their belief on whether or not it would actually happen. With the exception of one dark humor thread, a betting pool on when, not much has been said about "whether"....only the "ought."

So frankly, I was just curious. As I suspected, at this point at least, the feeling is that this war is going to take place. That was all this one was about. Though these too are only opinions, I wanted to know. I would hope that everyone goes on with their actions to stop this thing. Sorry if I made it a sillyass news poll but there you are.

Spaw

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From: Jeri
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:49 PM

Spaw, I thought it was a nice change from the numerous "ought" threads. If anything, it's interesting to see who can manage to post without getting on a soap box.

I think we'll go, and the UK will go with us. I think it's very likely the UN will go with Bush, probably very close to the actual start of hostilities. If not, we'll still go. What happens once the fighting starts is anyone's guess but may wind up making things a whole lot scarier than they will be at the beginning.

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From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:06 PM

I think Oz is in too..........they sent troops to the Gulf.

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From: NicoleC
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:16 PM

Probably, Sorcha, but didn't Howard just get slapped down big time?

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From: 53
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:25 PM

yes.

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:35 PM

Well, Oz sent troops to Vietnam.

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From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:43 PM

No, we are *allready* at war with Iraq and bombing it almost daily. But if the question is "Is there going to be an all out attack!" You can take it to the bank. And then Iran, and then , and then.... as long as the current regime is in power the US will be at war somewhere killing other folks and our kids. The reasons? The usual list: stupidity, shortsightedness, meaness, testosterone, greed, mental problems of GWB, etc.

Bobert

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From: GUEST,whatever guest
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 03:54 PM

The Charles DeGaulle (carrier) has been deployed to the eastern Mediterranean. Howzacom?

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From: jimlad
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:27 PM

No way!!

When it Finally dawns on Saddam that this time there is an odds
on chance that a 'Bullet' with his name on it is heading in his direction. He will take Ghaddafi's offer of asylum and retire.
This will happen When the the UN offer him Immunity from War Crimes prosecution

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:34 PM

And that would stop it? I hope so, but I have my doubts.

Unfortunately the often expressed assumption that just because someone is cruel and ruthless they must be cowardly is one that isn't borne out by history. I'd have thought September 11 would have finally dispelled that dangerous fantasy.

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From: leprechaun
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:38 PM

I'm not happy about it, and neither is George W Bush, but yes, the war is coming.

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From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:41 PM

No. The illusion of 'will we go to war?' is a smoke and mirrors distraction for the looting of the US economy. We ARE at war with Iraq. ttr

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From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

Another George (1984) wrote something like (I'm paraphrasing): "For decades there had been one long continuous war, although admittedly it had not always been the same war... In each case, the opposing side was evil."

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From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM

no

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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM

Bobert...

GWBush GAVE us the reasoning behind his thinking on war. There are 66 rogue nations, he said, which might be 'terrorist'. And coincidentally, these are the nations without central banks. Central government banks answerable to the World Bank. Bush is waging war for the IMF / World Bank. THAT is the specific reason for his hawkishness.

Then there are the side-issues, which most people think are the MAIN issues. For instance, most of Bush's 'rogue nations' are Muslim, because Islam forbids usury. How convenient. GWBush isn't Christian, but he is now playing the part of a Christian to get the folks at home stirred up about the 'heathens'. 'They' bombed us, etc.

Some people think the war with Iraq is to gurantee the U.S. oil supply, but that was discounted long ago. Most of the oil will go to the U.N. and China. Gasoline (petrol) prices in the U.S. won't go down because of the war, and 85% of our industry has gone overseas in the past 30 years, so our industry won't benefit from cheaper fuel.

No...GW told us up front how many 'rogue nations' there were. And now the U.N. will systematically conquer them and set up a central bank in each country. And plug away at the population-reduction plan along the way.

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From: Peter T.
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:20 PM

My point is that people are being asked to vote on their feeling of whether something will happen, which is like voting on whether the Yankees will win the pennant this year. It is exactly like those stupid phone in programs where people play coach -- "Of course if he's well, then they stand a good chance of doing well at first base." What is the point? It is symptomatic of the loss of citizenship: "What do you think the Emperor Augustus will do?" "Well, he was frowning this morning, so watch out."

yours, Peter T.

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From: Peg
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:31 PM

I find it interesting that a "date of invasion" has been set (February 15th) and all of a sudden our terrorist alert meter is upgraded to orange...the paranoid in me suspects there will be a suspicious "terrorist" attack in the next few days which will somehow galvanize a reluctant citizenry to want to go to war with, well, anyone. Remember the days after 9-11? Muslims being attacked in American streets? People wanting the USA to attack Afghanistan when absolutely no logical reason could be found to do so? What did that heartless campaign do for us?

If our goddamned government were not so paranoid, fearful and willing to root out the worst behavior from everyone in the world whom they treat as allies one minute (or at least customers for their war toys, ha ha) and enemies the next...well, I might feel more hope. But they are in charge, and they are not listening to their constituents, and they are crushing our spirit.

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From: Janie
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:39 PM

Yes, I believe our government will. But I will continue in prayer, vigil and public witness in my home community to help support a miracle.

Guest,

Your line of thought seems very cogent. I gotta' think about your thesis for awhile. Thanks for posting.

Janie

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From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:40 PM

If they are * trying * to crush our spirit, they've got a long long way to go! We're just waking up... ttr

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From: Peg
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 05:57 PM

I'm not giving up yet Thomas! But it's demoralizing when the rest of the world judges us based on the actions of our rogue government...

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From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:18 PM

Regime change needs to begin at home, don't forget...that is why I'm attending to the protest end of business, myself. I never thought for a second that the protests were actually to influence the Bush?blair administration. It is to influence US & world opinions. To change the people's minds.

That said, I'm with Peter. I don't see much use to these silly polls.

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 06:39 PM

Putting the question that way is maybe a way of helping us think out of the rut - instead of thinking how to stop the war from starting, the attention changes to thinking how to stop it continuing.

Either way it's Stop the War.

And even the ones who want to start it - or to be fair in most cases, see it as necessary to start it (nobody wants to start it, apart from those who have reeason to themselves as the likely beneficiaries, notably Al Qaida, and some parts of the US economy) - even they must see the objective from now on has to be finding a way to end it.

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From: GUEST,wdyat24
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:12 PM

This war must take place! Jeeshh! It's like waiting for the SuperBowl or the World Series!

wdyat24

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From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:52 PM

GUEST:

You are absolutely right in that I did not list as one of the motivational forces "corporate globalization" which is indeed the cornerstone of the New World Order. Sometimes I do loose sight of that thru the total insanity of the real possibilities of an uncontrollable World War.

Bobert

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From: GUEST,wdyat24
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 08:10 PM

Bullshit!! We're scared!Yes we're going to war! "Cause the Bible tells me so!" Don't forget the profecies.

wdyat24

PS. I never wanted to be a Christian, I always wanted to be a Lumberjack! I'm a lumberjack! and that's OK!

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From: Bobert
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 08:16 PM

Yo wdyat24:

Hey, maybe you could be... ahhh, a "Christain Lumberjack"? Plenty of 'em and when ya' Jesus in your heart, then you don't have to be scared no more... Just a thought. He's got a place setting at the table waiting for you, my friend...

Bober