BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 12:53 PM

Eat shit, lady.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 03:29 PM

if they have resorted to using unwilling mentally handicapped bombers it is pretty cowardly. Although no less cowardly than pushing a button in a plane at a safe distance and bombing people on the ground.. collateral damage..(even if they are women and children)..but its ok cause they didnt mean it..

what's interesting is how over the past year or so the Iraq war has been spun to be a war against AlQaeda in Iraq.. when AlQaeda makes up maybe 2 percent of the insurgency.
And even more laughable was watching McCain and Romney (in the Reagan Library debate) trying to outdo each other on how long they intend the US to stay in Iraq.. when probably 2 thirds of the US population would rather have them out (and certainly over 60% of the Iraqis - who view them as occupiers and legitimate targets).

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 03:42 PM

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=11753&ccid=11

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 05:46 PM

If you read that report carefully it is all simply speculation except for the US general who turns the Iraqi speculation into fact by a twist of news spin.

I don't know whether these women had Downs syndrome or not or whether they had some other form of mental illness.

I don't KNOW and neither do you.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 05:54 PM

At this point is there a source of information that any of you would believe?

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:05 PM

True, Folkiedave.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:08 PM

But while we're here, I don't recall saying it WAS fact. I'm like you, I know what I read. That's it.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM

What is so sad, and Sins pointed it out, is that we no longer have any trust left in either our goverenment of the media to tell us the truth...

The lies have come is so fast and furious that if a truth gets reported how would anyone know??? I mean, they just can't go putting little box in the corner of the TV that reads either "Lie" or "Truth"... Who would monitor the box and how wouldbe believe that person either...

Maybem it would be good to have portable poligraphs that starp on the arm of the person who is reporting stuff like the "Downs Symdrome" women and a little box in the corner that gives us a reading as to the probabiltity (in percentage) of the chances that we are being told the truth...

I don't know???

What I do know is that Bush doesn't want any bad news in Iraq... He's is writing checks for buillions and billions of tax dollars to give to Sunni leaders to be sure that there isn't any major bad news and when ya' run that kinda dough thru the Sunni shredder you can't have any slip-ups...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:56 PM

When a US government spokesman admits to torturing people I tend to believe them.

When they say it is only three I reckon they have taken suspects abroad to torture them.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:57 PM

I figure, however, that every now and then they slip up and tell the truth. I hope this isn't one of those times.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 06:59 PM

Ditto, Brucie, ditto...

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Nickhere
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 07:16 PM

"No point talkin' morals in a whore house"

No, no-one's likely to pay much attention. But anyone who goes into a whorehouse to tell their whores to clean up their act needs to be at least behaving in a better fashion to be taken seriously by the rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Nickhere
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 07:19 PM

Teribus "I most certainly do see the difference in unprincipled and unscrupulous religious nutters deliberately kidnapping, or conning, unwitting mentally challenged people into carrying explosives into a market place crammed with innocent civilians only to have those same unprincipled and unscrupulous religious nutters deliberately detonate those explosives from afar"

Sounds like an exact description of the White House neo-cons!! ;-))

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 07:20 PM

True.

Iraq is a mess, no doubt. I miss the people who used to pst here who said the USA would be out of Iraq in 2005.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Nickhere
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 07:26 PM

Indeed. The older I get the more I come to the conclusion that the best way to end a war is not to start it in the first place. Once started, wars seem to take on a dynamic of their own.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 07:30 PM

Nearest analogy I can think of is the old one about grabbing a raccoon by the tail. It's easy enough to do, but ya need six people to help you let it go.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Nickhere
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 08:09 PM

That's a good one - I hadn't heard that before.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 08:43 PM

If you 'read between the lines', you begin to understand that comments like probably and resembled does not amount to fact. I hope that most of you will begin to recognize propaganda and misleading statements before you jump on the emotional bandwagon.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 08:55 PM

btw - I will now refer to Peace as 'Piece' when replying to his not so peaceful comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 09:02 PM

Same back to you, lady.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Kent Davis
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 12:32 AM

Naive fool that I am, I expected, when Wesley S started this thread, that there would be discussion but no disagreement.

I believe it is clear to us all that at least 68 out of the 70 people killed by the bombers did not consent to their deaths.

I believe it is equally clear that those who carried the bombs were IN NO SENSE martyrs. They may have been unwitting victims. They may have been terrrorists. Clearly they were not martyrs, for they were not defending Islam. They were not attacking infidels. They were not seeking to attack military targets. They were deliberately targeting MOSLEM CIVILIANS.

No doubt the sins of the U.S. and U.K. governments and of their people are many. No doubt they, and we, need to be criticised on many points. One would think, however, that the only proper response to THIS incident would be criticism of those who carried it out.

Kent

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 01:40 AM

Well said, Kent.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: GUEST,North Carolina
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 02:10 PM

Clearly propaganda. Many such stories came out of Europe during World War two. No doubt the Bush mudcat supporters will find it truthful.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 03:52 PM

They're now saying the women were not victims of Down Syndrome, so it must have just been addiction to religion as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 04:09 PM

Would you like to provide a link to the story or did you just feel the need to take another cheap shot at religion?

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 04:12 PM

US: Bombers Didn't Have Down Syndrome
By BRADLEY BROOKS

Associated Press Writer

The U.S. military said Wednesday that two women used as suicide bombers in attacks earlier this month had undergone psychiatric treatment but there is no indication they had Down syndrome as Iraqi and U.S. officials initially had claimed.

Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a military spokesman, said the women used in the Feb. 1 pet market bombings had been identified as residents from the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad who were in their late 20s or early 30s.

The two attacks killed nearly 100 people, and Iraqi and U.S. officials said at the time the women appeared to be unwitting attackers.

Lt. Gen. Abboud Qanbar, the chief Iraqi military commander in Baghdad, said soon after the attacks that photos of the women's heads showed they had Down syndrome, but he did not offer any other proof.

A U.S. military spokesman for the Baghdad area, Lt. Col. Steve Stover, also said at the time that medical experts with his division had examined the photos and agreed the women probably suffered from the genetic disorder. "They were both females and they both looked like they had Down syndrome," Stover said on Feb. 2.

A cell phone image of one of the heads viewed by The Associated Press was inconclusive.

There was speculation that the heads could have been distorted by the blast, leading police initially to believe they had Down syndrome.

On Wednesday, Smith backed away from the claim about Down syndrome while responding to a question concerning the psychiatric histories of the two bombers.

"Both had recently received psychiatric treatment for depression and/or schizophrenia. From what we know now there's no indication that they had Down syndrome," Smith said, citing records obtained by the military.

Smith also said one of the women was married but that neither had criminal backgrounds. He said it was not clear how they were linked to al-Qaida in Iraq, which the military has said was behind the bombing.

The director of the Ibn-Rushd psychiatric teaching hospital in central Baghdad, Dr. Shalan al-Abboudi, said that one of the pet market bombers, a 36-year-old married woman, had been treated there for schizophrenia and depression, according to her file. Refusing to identify her, he said she received electric shock therapy and was released into the custody of an aunt.

Smith did not address other details of the bombings. Iraqi officials have said the explosives were detonated by remote-control, presumably because people with Down syndrome could not be relied upon to set off the bombs.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 04:47 PM

"The 36-year-old lady had schizophrenia and depression."

Nice people.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 04:54 PM

But now that they didn't use women with down syndrome it makes them salt of the earth bombers. Good guys almost.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 07:53 PM

I suppose that Down syndrome is a good choice, at least its a better choice than someone with OCD or bi polar disorder or even....
oops I guess I missed the point.

There seems to nothing more upibiquitous than news reports saying "Today 62 were killed by a suicide bomber in Iraq, now lets go to Heather for the traffic update"

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:41 PM

But how do these stupid stories get started? It's just like the Jessica Lynch thing. She seemed genuinely embarrassed when she found out what they had been saying about her.
                So when the truth finally comes out, the public loses confidence in both the military spokesmen and the press.

Subject: RE: BS: Down Syndrome women used as bombers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:42 PM

Yeah. Kinda makes the truth almost, uh, reasonable.