BS: Pope OKs condom use...

Subject: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 02:22 PM

...to keep bananas fresh, warm, moist, and cuming to ripe fruition.

Art

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From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 02:24 PM

Oh! You are in fine fettle this morning! It's another Thiemed Condom Thread!!!

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From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 02:39 PM

Do you think it was because of this

Delanys Donkey

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From: gnu
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 02:39 PM

Well, if you really get down to the basics, he's "right". Unfortunately, it's not a perfect world or a prefect world, so, even though the basics are "best", it's not a practical solution.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Peter T.
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM

Well, if you really get down to the basics, he's an old murdering fool.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:17 PM

Ifr you think that, I hate you.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: MarkS
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:25 PM

I heard he said OK to condom use in the Muslim countries, as long as the only size used is extra large. Seems there is just no end to those pricks.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:27 PM

My posts keep disappearing.
Anyway - someone better send a truckload or two of condoms to Washington, DC. AIDS is out of control there. Wonder how many politicians are infected?

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From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:32 PM

There are a few donkeys as well

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: gnu
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:32 PM

Peter T... ".... he's an old murdering fool."

Ahhhh.... I think I'll leave this thread now. That doesn't sound like good natured humour and banter to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:41 PM

Man sees a sign in a chemist's window "Contaceptive fitting service" he goes inside and sees a young lady behind the counter.
"Do you fit the contraceptives?"
"Yes"



"Well, wash you hands, I want some boiled sweets"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Man goes into a chemist and asks for some Pyrex.
"Don't you mean 'Durex'?"
"No, I've got a hot dish outside"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


I'll get me rubber overcoat!

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Gurney
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:48 PM

I thought I'd have to stop singing 'Brigit and the Pill' for a moment there!

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:58 PM

I 'think' the whole point of this thread, though a bit obtuse, is that the Pope just this


"YAOUNDE, Cameroon -- Pope Benedict XVI said condoms are not the answer to the AIDS epidemic in Africa and can make the problem worse, setting off criticism Tuesday as he began a weeklong trip to the continent where some 22 million people are living with HIV.>claimed that condoms are not useful to prevent AIDS"

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From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 03:59 PM

Wonder if anyone actually read past the headline.

I'm not religious, but I understood what the Pope was saying....its like our lifestyle, economically unsustainable....promiscuous sex has also become unsustainable and according to Pope Benedict, artificial methods of birth control make promiscuity more likely to occur.

Probably most here will say that asking people to stick to one sexual partner is unrealistic, just as they say anyone proposing an alternative to capitalism is not living in the real world.

They will find that both of these propositions will have to be addressed sooner rather than later.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:06 PM

Its the quickest way to reduce the population of the world Akenaton.

Then the few can live on the reducing resources of the world.

Maybe this is the way to do it, instead of having wars.

I'll get me Modnoc

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From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:18 PM

And I thought I was cynical Villan!

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From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:23 PM

Time for the old dinosaur to pass on.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:30 PM

:-)

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From: Peter T.
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:40 PM

I think this piece from the Times has it pretty well right. Pope John Paul II and now this guy are responsible for the deaths of countless people in Africa due to their advice, influence, and indescribable inability to deal with human nature. They should be brought up before the International Criminal Court.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5927923.ece


yours,

Peter T.

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From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:44 PM

I understand what the pope was suggesting. I also understand that in third world countries his message may be a death sentence. Abstinence may prevent AIDS (transfusions and dentists are still a problem) but abstinence is not going to happen. Condoms work best to avoid spreading the disease.
Hence "murdering old fool" comments.

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From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:49 PM

"After insulting Muslims by declaring in 2006 that Muhammad had brought "things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," after reiterating (through the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in 2008 that the subject of the ordination of women is not even open for discussion and declaring that anyone involved with the ordination of women will be automatically excommunicated, after lifting in January of this year the excommunication of Holocaust-denier Richard Williamson, now Benedict XVI opens a visit to Africa by telling the people of a continent decimated by AIDS that the distribution of condoms "increases the problem" of the spread of AIDS.

I am a Catholic and the idea that such a man is God's spokesperson on earth is absurd to me.

There are, of course, no provisions in the hierarchical institution set up, not by Jesus but by men who hijacked his name and in many cases perverted his teachings, for impeaching a pope and removing him from office. But there ought to be.

As I detail in my latest book, "Grand Theft Jesus: The Hijacking of Religion in America" (Crown), the cardinal sin of the Catholic Church -- a literally deadly sin, if ever there was one -- is its opposition to birth control. Far from being, as the Church contends, part of its moral doctrine, this policy is, plainly, the immoral doctrine of the Church. The use of condoms is a pro-life position."

Robert S. McElvaine
Professor of Arts & Letters, Millsaps College, in an essay in the Washington POst "Faith" sectionHe goes on to say:

"Misogyny may not be "the Church's one foundation," but it is a major part of the base on which it was constructed.

It should be obvious that the sin in an over-populated world is not attempting to control birth, but attempting to control birth control.

And now for the pope to go so far as to indicate that condom use worsens the spread of AIDS -- there's an outrage that tops Madoff and AIG!

Let's start a movement within the Catholic Church to impeach Pope Benedict XVI and remove him from office. While we're at it, let's replace him with a woman.

He reversed the excommunication of a Holocaust denier. Will he excommunicate me for pointing out that he is a misogyny denier?

If this be heresy, make the most of it."

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:56 PM

I am not religious and the idea that any of these people as God's spokesperson on earth is absurd to me.

Between them all they cause more fighting and bloodshed in the name of God and us people that don't like any of them, have to put up with the consequences.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:00 PM

I've been doing a bit of ferriting and it appears that in common with the US and other "developed" countries, AIDS in Africa was fist diagnosed among very promiscuous homosexual groups, so homosexuality and the promiscuity which statistics tell us goes along with it, appears to be the "trigger".
The disease soon spreads to heterosexuals, through bi-sexual activity and intravenous drug abuse. In a very short time deaths from AIDS amongst hetrosexuals outnumber deaths among homosexuals, due to the difference in population percentages.

I see what you're saying Sinsull, but will human life be brought to an end by the disease or the remedy?

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:02 PM

Could this be the follow up to Noah and the Ark?

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From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:03 PM

I got just one question. Who the flip CARES what the Pope thinks?

- Shane

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From: Rasener
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:04 PM

Well I don't for one.

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From: Jayto
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:44 PM

On who?

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From: olddude
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 06:34 PM

When the building is burning a person tries first to put out the fire. Then afterwords tries to figure out how to change their smoking behaviour as to not set the couch on fire again.

I am a Catholic,   I take it serious, if the pope has something to say about the sacraments he has my full attention. When he talks about health or politics he is best to simply keep his Opinion to himself for it has no bearing on faith and can be in this case detrimental to others.

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From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 07:43 PM

"he's an old murdering fool" (Peter T)

A fool? I doubt that very much.

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From: Joe_F
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 09:28 PM

I've heard tell of a birth-control pill that was approved by the Pope. It is held between the knees.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:36 PM

If the Pope thinks THAT will help, he's obviously been celibate way too long. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 11:32 PM

I think Peter has his finger on a deeper pulse. The iconography and mythology of which the pope is the current crystallization have, actually, had their day, and are about as germane as the science of buggy whips in 1920.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 11:32 PM

Once again, making a joke, I thought, has gotten away from me and rather gone astray.
If any clone out there wants to close this thread, that'd be cool here!

Art

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From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 04:47 AM

"The Catholic Truth, Scotland" rails against a cartoon in yeterday's Times
Probably getting the cartoon out to a greater number of people than would usually have seen it.

The cartoon seems about as offensive (or not, depending on viewpoint) as the Danish religious cartoons of a couple of years ago!

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Stu
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 05:06 AM

A member of the Hitler youth telling people what or what not to stick on their jake. And the fools going along with it. The mind boggles.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Peter T.
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:39 PM

And in the latest news on how well the abstinence-only programmes are doing:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/?last_story=/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/03/19/teen_birthrate/

yours,

Peter T.

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From: bubblyrat
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:52 PM

The trouble with Popes is that they are always Pontificating about something.Why don't they just stick to what they know best,like persuading poor people to give all their money to The Church,or turning a Blind Eye when people like Hitler murder millions of Jews ?? They're very good at that .

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From: Rasener
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 01:10 PM

Well I have just had a listen to The Pope's Youtube

Couldn't understand a word.

The Pope Youtube

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 02:02 PM

Once again, the Pope & the Catholic Church have demonstrated that the way to deal with such issues is to "first place the dart where you want it, then draw the bull's-eye around it."

They 'know' that the answer is always "abstinence and the sanctity of marriage", so any new idea must be judged by those rules, no matter who, where or how well it works.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 02:44 PM

The implication would seem to be that if you are a good Catholic, you won't get AIDS. Problem solved.

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From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 02:52 PM

The implication would seem to be that if you are a good Catholic, you won't get AIDS.

True, especially if you're a good Catholic priest. There just aren't that many twelve year-old boys who are HIV positive.

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 03:28 PM

Sorry but that made me laugh :-)

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From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 03:33 PM

Pope

The greatest travesty in the fight against AIDS is not the words of the pope but the international drug companies demanding and getting patent rights enforced restricting distribution of generic anti aids drugs. I think that his message should have been that the ceo's of those big drug companies may find a seat in Hell close to the furnace. That would have been helpful!

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Peter T.
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 03:56 PM

Not at all. Drug companies are in the business of making money. The church is supposed to be in the business of reverencing "life". It turns out that their version of it involves killing people, which should cause a certain amount of rethinking their business model.

yours,

Peter T.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 04:01 PM

And who among us has forgotten the Spanish Inquisition??

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 04:44 PM

Peter you say "Drug companies are in the business of making money" and that is true. However, it is like telling a drowning man that you will toss him a lifejacket, if he will pay a price 100 times it's production cost, or you will let him sink.
Millions in Africa have already died who might have been saved with proper treatment. Many more need immediate help. Capitalism at its finest no doubt, or racism at it's worst!


A Travisty

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 12:15 AM

I don't know of any drugs which would either cure or prevent the spread of AIDS. As I understand it they can only treat the symptoms and maybe prolong the inevitable. Fat lot of use that is to most African sufferers. On the other hand, condoms work quite well.

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 12:37 AM

Peter, I've generally thought of you as a very rational person, but I think you have a serious prejudice problem here - what do you mean by "It turns out that their version of it involves killing people," referring to the Catholic Church, I presume. I'm sorry, but that just doesn't make sense to me.

The Pope is right in saying that "a responsible and moral attitude toward sex would help fight the disease" far more than condoms. That may be impractical; but if a person is having promiscuous sex, why in the world would he or she worry about the morality of using condoms? And if the couple are married and one partner has AIDS and have moral qualms about using condoms, that's something the couple should discuss with a priest - most likely, there's a rational solution. As I recall, there's an exception in such a situation. On the other hand, promoting use of condoms would seem to create a false sense of security. Maybe there's a balance in there somewhere - but hey, don't expect a church to expect or even provide for promiscuity. That's for people to deal with on their own, and not with a papal blessing.

As a seminary-educated Catholic, I don't particularly agree with the Catholic Church's position on birth control, so I simply ignore it - but I think a number of comments here are taking things way too far.

-Joe-

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From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 02:22 AM

The Pope's outlook & actions concering AIDS reminds me of Reagan's failure to address the same problem. Only at the time of Reagan AIDS was not a fully blown, world wide epidemic. When those that have the power, influence & resourses to do the most, when they stand in the way & block progress & refuse to get out of the way & don't. They in part become the reason why plagues of biblical proportions come to life.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Pope OKs condom use...
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 07:36 AM

"A responsible and moral attitude" towards anything would be far better than many things. It would, for example, be a far better way to drive than having traffic lights, but it doesn't work that way. Everyone should fall in love with one person and live with them for the rest of their lives in holy matrimony. However, we live on planet Earth. The question is, are people to pay for their lives and the lives of others when they give in to their natural urges -- and in the case of Africa, a whole panoply of social griefs and customs that are killing people right now.

I am against dogma that kills people, whether it is Catholic or Communist. As far as I can see, the Catholic church has adopted a production model of "life" -- quantity not quality -- of which the opposite, quality not quantity, has its own problems (cf. the Nazis); and is sticking to it rigidly, in the face of human misery generated by its own dogma. The refusal to deal intelligently with birth control is the most obvious example of this crazy model.

Your admission that you ignore the church's ruling on birth control means that you agree with this fundamental point. From this, all the rest follows. Which of us is being irrational?   

yours,

Peter T.