BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time

Subject: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 01:55 PM

This is not my list. According to the American Film Institute - www.afi.com - these are the 100 greatest movies of all time. Why some movies made and other didn't - you'll need to ask AFI about that. I've seen a large portion of these movies and I can see why most of them are listed here.

One of the women in my office looked at the list and counted 49 that she owned on DVD already. I think that's a bit exessive. I only own 22.

These list are only intended as fun. Great is in the eye of the movie watcher. But i thought it might be worth some discussion.




1
CITIZEN KANE
2
THE GODFATHER
3
CASABLANCA
4
RAGING BULL
5
SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
6
GONE WITH THE WIND
7
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
8
SCHINDLER'S LIST
9
VERTIGO
10
WIZARD OF OZ, THE
11
CITY LIGHTS
12
SEARCHERS, THE
13
STAR WARS
14
PSYCHO
15
2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY
16
SUNSET BLVD.
17
GRADUATE, THE
18
GENERAL, THE
19
ON THE WATERFRONT
20
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE
21
CHINATOWN
22
SOME LIKE IT HOT
23
GRAPES OF WRATH, THE
24
E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL
25
TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
26
MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON
27
HIGH NOON
28
ALL ABOUT EVE
29
DOUBLE INDEMNITY
30
APOCALYPSE NOW
31
MALTESE FALCON, THE
32
GODFATHER PART II, THE
33
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST
34
SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS
35
ANNIE HALL
36
BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, THE
37
BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, THE
38
TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, THE
39
DR. STRANGELOVE
40
SOUND OF MUSIC, THE
41
KING KONG
42
BONNIE AND CLYDE
43
MIDNIGHT COWBOY
44
PHILADELPHIA STORY, THE
45
SHANE
46
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
47
STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A
48
REAR WINDOW
49
INTOLERANCE
50
LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, THE
51
WEST SIDE STORY
52
TAXI DRIVER
53
DEER HUNTER, THE
54
M*A*S*H
55
NORTH BY NORTHWEST
56
JAWS
57
ROCKY
58
GOLD RUSH, THE
59
NASHVILLE
60
DUCK SOUP
61
SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS
62
AMERICAN GRAFFITI
63
CABARET
64
NETWORK
65
AFRICAN QUEEN, THE
66
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK
67
WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF?
68
UNFORGIVEN
69
TOOTSIE
70
CLOCKWORK ORANGE, A
71
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN
72
SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE
73
BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID
74
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE
75
IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
76
FORREST GUMP
77
ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN
78
MODERN TIMES
79
WILD BUNCH, THE
80
APARTMENT, THE
81
SPARTACUS
82
SUNRISE
83
TITANIC
84
EASY RIDER
85
NIGHT AT THE OPERA, A
86
PLATOON
87
12 ANGRY MEN
88
BRINGING UP BABY
89
SIXTH SENSE, THE
90
SWING TIME
91
SOPHIE'S CHOICE
92
GOODFELLAS
93
FRENCH CONNECTION, THE
94
PULP FICTION
95
LAST PICTURE SHOW, THE
96
DO THE RIGHT THING
97
BLADE RUNNER
98
YANKEE DOODLE DANDY
99
TOY STORY
100
BEN-HUR

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:06 PM

Hmm. A reasonable list.

How about:

Dances With Wolves
Groundhog Day
The Magnificent Seven
The Aviator
Gangs of New York
The Caine Mutiny
Miller's Crossing
Bram Stoker's Dracula

(I'm biased, of course...)

I would also pick "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back" as a better film than the first one in the series.

Funny...they didn't pick any William Shatner films. What is wrong with those people???

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:11 PM

Great expectations, Oliver Twist, David Copperfield, Jane Eyre, A man for all seasons,Zulu. I`m alright Jack. all excellent films and worthy of inclusion, the reason for their non-inclusion, they are all British,

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:21 PM

Aha! Good point. And you don't see any French or German or Russian films on the list either, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:23 PM

23 films dropped off the list:

DR. ZHIVAGO (former #39), THE BIRTH OF A NATION (former #44), FROM HERE TO ETERNITY (former #52), AMADEUS (former #53), ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (former #54), THE THIRD MAN (former #57), FANTASIA (former #58), REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE (former #59), STAGECOACH (former #63), CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (former #64), THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE (former #67), AN AMERICAN IN PARIS (former #68), WUTHERING HEIGHTS (former #73), DANCES WITH WOLVES (former #75), GIANT (former #82), FARGO (former #84), MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (former #86), FRANKENSTEIN (former #87), PATTON (former #89), THE JAZZ SINGER (former #90), MY FAIR LADY (former #91), A PLACE IN THE SUN (former #92) and GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER (former #99).

Other fact about the list from AFI's website HERE


It was a suprise to me that the decade that has the most films on the list was the 1970's.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: MaineDog
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:41 PM

We must not forget "The Little Shop of Horrors"!
MD

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 02:51 PM

"The Sting," has been my favorite movie since it came out, and it doesn't even show up on the things that were dropped off, which are mostly better than the movies still on there, especailly "Dr. Shivago."

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Becca72
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:09 PM

Imagine that...the America Film Institute choosing American films..
:-)

I only own 5 of them.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: alanabit
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:50 PM

Two Charlie Chaplin films are there, but not "The Great Dictator". Two James Stewart films are there, but not "Harvey". These lists don't mean much. It's not a bad list though, which mainly comprises of very good films. However, I am surprised to see the appalling "The Sound of Music" in there. I start to feel compassion for people who want to strangle nice English nannies and cute little kids when I see that one nowadays. I have never been able to watch more than the first ten minutes of "Gone With The Wind". The staggering ineptitude of the acting and direction ought to succeed in at least making it (unintentionally) funny. However, it is so cringingly embarrassing, you can't bring yourself to mock the afflicted. I know some people can tough out the whole thing - but not sensitive guys like me.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: dwditty
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 03:53 PM

Mainedog, Ihope you mean the original Little SHop of Horrors with Jack Nicholson as the dentist.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:09 PM

Dr. Zhivago tops my list.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:10 PM

Sometimes when I look at the list Alanabit I can't help but think that some of the films made it to the list because they were "significant" and not necessarily "good". Jaws opened up the concept of the summer blockbuster - but it wasn't a great film. Gone With the Wind had the word "damn" in it. Easy Rider helped break the studio system. But I wouldn't call any of those movies great by any means.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Mickey191
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 05:53 PM

I'm astonished that West Side Story is there. Beymer & Natalie had _no_ chemistry. The play was magical-Carol Lawrence & Larry Kert (what ever happened to them?) were top drawer. Great voices.

SOund of Music? Gag Me!

I will never understand the continuing adulation for "Citizen Kane." I'm aware of the Greg Toland camera innovations & the Mercury's fine players-I just don't get it. Never have.

Overlooked: How Green Was My Valley & Lion in Winter.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: skipy
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:05 PM

Best ever:- Field of dreams
Skipy
and if you think it is about baseball, get some help!

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:18 PM

Field of Dreams was good, yeah. Kevin Costner has been in several quite good movies, but after awhile it didn't matter what he did, the critics and just about everyone else thought it was terrible. This was a bit unfair to Kevin Costner, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:23 PM

Breaking Away
What About Bob?
Spitfire Grill
Four Seasons

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:24 PM

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 07:12 PM

High Noon
Mutiney on the Bounty (Trevor Howard, world class bastard)

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: skipy
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 07:22 PM

Mutiney on the Bounty + our very own Barry Dransfield!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: bobad
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:07 PM

Where's Fellini?

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Ythanside
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:09 PM

Have seen and enjoyed 74 of the 100 listed, 22 out of the 23 in Wesley S's list as well as some of the others.
Have to go with kendall's No 1 choice, Dr Zhivago. Perhaps that's because I had a 'thing' about Julie Christie in the sixties, and the seventies, and the eighties, and the nineties and,...ummm,... still do, actually. Hmmm, think I'll just dig out the DVD again, it's been weeks since I last played it.

Ythanside :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: RangerSteve
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:12 PM

If this list is supposed to go with the TV special from last week, then it was the 100 greatest American films, not the greatest films in general, which is why they're all American, or produced by American studios.

I never got "The Godfather". I thought it was ok, but not first rate. I also don't get "2001". Two people explained the movie to me, and afterward, I understood it even less. "Sound of Music" is far from the best musical. It was enjoyable, and had good tunes, but "My Fair Lady" is far superior. Incidentally, if all you know about the Trapp Family comes from the movie, then you know nothing about them. Their real-life story just wouldn't make a good movie.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 08:15 PM

Most of the suggested additions are worthy.
Some of my favorites not on the list are:

An American in Paris
Moulin Rouge
Midnight Cowboy is on the list, but other groundbreakers- such as the first Showboat- are not.
and help me with this one- a Japanese film about a trucker (played John Wayne style) helping a woman to improve the noodles in her noodle shop.

I agree, lots of good foreign films but it is an American list. Zulu was mentioned above but there were many others. Lieutenant Kiji should be there. I am trying to collect some of them before they disappear fro Ebay, Amazon or whatever.

Amadeus? Ugh

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:09 PM

The Horse's Mouth. Loved it.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: freightdawg
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 11:44 PM

The Mrs. Freightdawg and I noticed several things about the list. One is the number of Alfred Hitchcock films. Two is the number of Jimmy Stewart films, ditto Humphry Bogart.

Ya start with good stuff, and you add quality actors, you're gonna end up with a good movie.

Ah, for yesteryear.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: frogprince
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 12:01 AM

"Birth of a Nation" was on a list of "greatest movies"???
Have you ever seen that thing? It may, unfortunately, have been a significant movie, but how any one could call it good, let alone great, is beyond me.
(In case anyone doesn't know, BOAN is a melodramatic glorification of the Ku Klux Klan, with at least one rescue of a lovely pure white woman from the clutches of a sub-human mullato.)

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Janie
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 01:12 AM

I'd be curious to know what the criteria for 'great' was. Like Wesley, some of them, such as "Jaws" were significant, but I wouldn't call them 'great' by a long shot. I wouldn't consider any of the Stars Wars movies great, myself. Great special effects and technological break throughs, but great movie? I don't think so.

Unlike Wesley, I'm not surprised at the number of movies from the 70's. I though the late 60's through the mid 70's, in particular, produced some stellar films. Some, many from that era, that I would have included are:

"Johnny Got His Gun"
"They Shoot Horses, Don't They"
"Wait Until Dark"
"The Heart is a Lonely Hunter"
"Rachael, Rachael"
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"
"Monster" (currently under discussion on another thread)
"A Beautiful Mind"

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: The Walrus
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:26 AM

I've noticed one problem with some of the lists posted above.

There are film titles being posted which are ambiguous.
Q mentions 'Moulin Rouge' - but which film? The recent musical or the Toulouse-Latrec biopic?
Wesley S mentions 'All Quiet on the Western Front" but again, the Lew Ayres classic or the 'John-boy Walton' version?

I would put "The Four Feathers" on the list, but the 1939 Korda version, not the 1950s (three Kitcheners) film nor the appalling the 1979 (Powell/Bridges) version (and as for the 2004 parody, well I've flushed better).

Where titles have been reused or there are several versions, please specify which.

Tom (Walrus)

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: kendall
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:40 AM

Breaker Morant should be on that list too.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: autolycus
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:57 AM

The most important question is Janie's, what are the criteria for "greatness"?

Was the AFI list headed as in the subject box , or "The 100 greatest American films". If the first, why do we suppose 'American' wasn't in the title?

There are many such lists.

Perhaps we can add our own top 100s - now that would be interesting.

N.B. If that engages you, make sure you sharply differentiate "greatest" from "favourite" - not the same ting.





       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: van lingle
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:00 AM

Fargo
The Big Lebowski
The Quiet Man
Best In Show
and second The Horses Mouth
The Third Man

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:11 AM

A complete pile of shite.

The list is more revealing for what's left off than what's on it.

If I'm not mistaken there is not one single foreign film on the entire list (non-English language). Many of the films are the sort of fetid Hollywood effluent that infests the cinemas and living rooms of the world - infecting the unquestioning protoplasmic blobs who consume this excreta with it's banality and mediocrity and endless glorification of violence. The whole list epitomises the cutural conceit of the American movie industry, and ably demonstrates is it's own myopic insularity and self-congratulatory nature.

No Kurosawa? Werner Herzog? Gondry? Bergman?

No Japanese, Chinese, German, Indian, French or Italian? Not even a single independent British film.

Although many of the films on the list are of course worthy of their place there, are we supposed to believe that Tootsie (!) is somehow better than The Seven Samurai, or that The Sixth Sense somehow outclasses Pan's Labyrinth as a piece of film-making.

Heck - even the best of American cinema isn't represented - no David Lynch?

Streuth.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:28 AM

It's true-Janie's point is the most important one---this list doesn't deserve our attention unless we know something of the criteria the alleged "experts" used in putting it together.

I agree completely with those who criticise "Sound of Music" 's inclusion. Even Christopher Plummer himself called it "The Sound of Mucus".

And how did "Silence of the Lambs" get in?

I'd put Rear Window much higher.    And I'd have Das Boot high on the list--amazing recreation of the hideous conditions on a sub -- the viewer seems to experience them-- --and from the German point of view.

West Side Story?--but not Man for All Seasons--which grapples with essential issues--and is a wonderful movie on top of that? Inexcusable.

And Amadeus--which also deals with crucial issues--would never fall off my list.

Far too many from the 70's--was that the "experts" teenage years? Since evidently that's one of the reasons people like certain pop music--it's based on their own memories.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Janie
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:04 AM

You are probably right ,in part, about the '70s, Ron. but that was also a time rich in 'mainstream' films that did deal with 'meaty' issues.

I think foreign films are not mentioned because the list was designated as American films.

Good point, Ivor, about great vs favorite. I certainly have some fav's that would never make a 'great' list.

I haven't much exposure to foreign language films, but of the few I have seen, I would consider "My Life as a Dog" to be a fine, if not great, one.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: John Hardly
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:16 AM

Ishtar
Gigli

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:26 AM

Janie--

I don't think AFI gets off that easily. I don't think it specified the list was only of American movies--I couldn't find that qualification. Where is it?

AFI seems to claim these as "the best movies of all time"-- in this order---in the whole world.

And--though they have a lot of good ones--- they're way off.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:44 AM

"I think foreign films are not mentioned because the list was designated as American films. "

You are right I think, but on the website the phrase "100 greatest movies of all time" and "100 greatest American films of all time" both appear and seem to be interchangeable, suggesting the AFI thinks the greatest 100 films of all time are American. Which they're not.

So let's expand the list to include all films ever made anywhere. It really is worth popping down the library and getting these foreign films out - the standard of these films is often very high and they often tackle their themes with the sort of wit and intelligence that is lacking from so many films on the list above.

Here are some I consider to be worthy of true greatness*

The Downfall (German) - the story of Hitler's last days in the bunker - incredible performance by Bruno Ganz showing the moster was a man.

Pan's Labyrinth (Spanish) - del Toro's intelligent and imaginative fantasy story set just after the Spanish Civil War. A truly great film - in turns harrowing and delightful.

Frozen Land (Norweigan) - Set in the suburbs of Helsinki, a bitter, unflinching tale of unfulfilled lives and the fact we're all at the mercy of events often beyond our knowledge or control - full of black humour and fine performances from the cast.

Das Boot (German) - Already mentioned above, the war as seen through the eyes of a U boat crew. Get the subtitled version not the dubbed.

*Obviously this list is totally subjective and all thee titles are the English versions.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Ron Davies
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 11:02 AM

I certainly agree about getting the subtitled version of Das Boot. I think there was something about the dubbed version being somehow abridged--or maybe there was an abridged version that came out in English. Abridged versions are to be avoided.


Similarly--if I recall correctly-- there was an abridged version of Rear Window.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Stu
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 11:19 AM

My spolling is bloudy awfool.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: The Walrus
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 01:06 PM

Non American Films for the top 100 list
Âîéíà è ìèð - The Russian version of War and Peace
Napoleon - the Abel Gance silent film
I agree on Das Boot
Seven Samurai, Yojimbo and Ran (choose any or all of these)
Henry V (Branagh) - if only because it is the complete version)unlike the 1944 Olivier one which was abridged), more accurately potrays the brutality of medaeval warfare and one gets better feel for the original 'bawdy' nature of the scenes involving Katherine and her Nurse.
Westfront 1918 - not Great acting, but the Western Front seen from the German side (made by Germans, most of whom were veterans)
Les Criox de Bois (The Wooden Crosses), again, a view of the Western Front by veterans - a powerful anti-war film which had been 'mined' for scenes by Hollywood (which must say something about the quality of the film).
I've alrady mentioned "The Four Feathers" (1939/Korda) and Zulu has already had a few honourable mentions.

If I think of any more, I'll add them.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 01:15 PM

I think "The Sound of Music" was one of the worst, most appallingly awful movies of all time...at least among what could be termed major films. It's excruciating. To sit through the entire film is unthinkable, as five or ten minutes of it would be enough to send most people screaming from the room, in my opinion. ;-)

"Das Boot" should definitely be in the top 100.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:22 PM

Wesley S. mislead with his original post; he is not a reliable reporter.
The AFI list is confined to the 100 greatest AMERICAN movies of all time. Offshore films are not a part of the list. A "blue ribbon panel of leaders from across the film community" made the selection. Of course, a panel of film analysts would have been better, but no one would accept a list by knowledgeable students of film.

It pays to go to a reliable source before contributing to a thread of this sort. I was guilty also of posting before investigating.

http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/movies.aspx
AFI 100 Years

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:28 PM

Well, that's okay, then.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 02:47 PM

I think the AFI's selection (and the substantial prime time special that was broadcast before the list was made available) are mainly to drum up interest in the industry that gives them their reason for being. And I approve. I think it's fun to talk about films, I think they're very important because whether we like it or not a lot of our culture goes into them and some even comes out of them.

Some movies like Harvey, Citizen Cain, To Kill A Mockingbird have intrinsic meaning to me and whether or not they wind up on a list has no additional weight.

If this all adds up to better preservation of more movies, which I think it does, so much the better.

There should be an international great movie list to which some of the AFI selections might aspire as well. I would put Seven Samurai right up there with Citizen Cain as one of the great all timers.

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:24 PM

another kurosawa film
dersu usala

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 03:33 PM

I once took two girls I knew to see "Dersu Usala". It's a marvelous film. They, however, had grown up on shows like "Three's Company" and "Mork and Mindy" and they simply didn't get it. They were completely uninterested in a story about a little old oriental guy, had no interest in nature, no interest in character development, no interest in culture....sheesh! To them the movie was a total waste of time, and about halfway through it they both started giggling and laughing, because they thought it was a ridiculously pointless movie, completely devoid of entertainment value. It had no love story, no cool-looking guys, no hot looking babes, no fast cars, no parties....

I was not pleased with them. I had to sit through the whole second half of a great movie and listen to them laugh and complain about how stupid it was.

You really have to be careful who you go to see a movie with. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: autolycus
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 06:47 PM

Describing non-American films as "off-shore" films - well, I wouldn't have been able to make that up. Makes it sound like all films that aren't American are made in the sea.


And the US film industry, with its impossibly rich budgets, 'stars', directors and pretty thorough grip on the world's cinemas and TVs needs interest in it 'drummed up' ? I mean, if that IS the reason, then we must be close to the heart of human insecurity. Here, security is, in two words, im possible.


It's non-American films that need interest in them drummed up. Alas.


Just to stop, back on track,

Battleship Potemkin (Russian 1925) - knocks most modern films into a cocked hat on the technical front simply because it demonstrates so many possibilities for using, really using, film-making techniques themselves. Rather than reliance on script and actors. And not the same thing as special effects.

The Children of Paradise (France 1945) - the most beautiful film in the world?

The Lady with the Little Dog (Russia 1960) - the most tender love story in the world?

Little Murders (US 1971/2) - the 'little murders' being those we all commit daily without realising it.

Cyrano de Bergerac (Fr.1990) - a great film for encouraging the feeling that it might be great to be alive.

Russian Ark (Rus. 2002) - had me on the edge of my seat , waiting for an error, since I sat down to it knowing that the whole 90 minute thing was shot in one take. Just one. Amazing. Jaw-dropping.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:02 PM

Kendall - agreed- Breaker Morant is a superb film. Whoever mentioned Zulu (several did...) -- now that is a good film. Loved 'Y tu mama, tambien....' but this list is about American films as has been stated so few of my favorites are on it. I also thought 'The Full Monty' was a pretty wonderful film, and no, it wasn't a comedy....

A Lion In Winter - wonderful; Mad Max ( Ithink that was the title); liked Pride and Prejudice although the BBC mini series blew the movie away and for absolutely TERRIFYING MOVIES .... how about 'Sexy Beasts' with Ben Kingsley and others......I still wake up in a cold sweat afraid of the Ben Kingsley character........

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 03:58 PM

Zorba the Greek


Some years ago, there was a huge woolen mill in Germany that went under due to foreign competition. They sold it to a man who bred, trained and boarded a very special breed of hunting dog.
Within 6 months his new business grew so big and so succesful that it made the news.
The headline read:














THE MILLS ARE ALIVE WITH THE HOUNDS OF MUNICH

Subject: RE: BS: The 100 greatest movies of all time
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 04:18 PM

Jack, Jim and Ces decided to do a dramatisation of scened from Don Quixote.

Jack said," I'll play the title role, Jim will be Sancho Panza, and

































Ces 'e'll be de mille."






      Ivor