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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Slag Date: 27 Aug 06 - 05:08 PM Well, no, you're almost right. The Hebrew Bible in the Hebrew language mentions Arabs (aleph, resh, beth) which derives from a root word that means, ironically enough, "Ambush" or to lurk, lie in wait. The first instance is Joshua 15:52. Both Ishmael and Israel descend from the same father, different mothers, they are half brothers. Both sides of the question readily agree to this! It's a family feud. One of Israel's 13 or so children was named Judah. Judah's tribe united with the tribe of Benjamin and they became the southern kingdom, under the reigns of David and Solomon. The hot bone of contention was where was the correct place to worship God. Bethel (the House of God ) in the north had the earlier claim. The Judeans and Benjaminites claimed revelation and establisjhed a temple in Jerusalem. The ten tribes to the north rebelled after the death of Solomon and the miserable reign of his son Rehoboam and it remmaind that way until the Disapora. It is interesting to have this in mind when you read the account of Christ and the woman at the well in Samaria. The Jews as a state and a religion hated the Samarian even to the time of Christ even though they were all closely related as were the Arabs. As a religion, the Jews (as descendants of Judah and Benjamin) they believed they were the guardians of the TRUTH. If one consented to this and converted he too could become a Jew, of sorts (the religion aspect) but he wasn't as Jewish as one born a Jew. In this day and age that has sort of lost it's distinction among many, although many others claim to have kept their genealogies from ancient times. So, Judaism is a race and a religion neither of which are absolutely necessarily inclusive. You can be of the Jewish (and in the broader sense "Semitic") race and not be a religious person. Such is the view Hitler took. You can be a Jew and not be Semitic like Sammy Davis Jr. was. Pretty much the same with most of Islam and being an Arab. As for Noah, he was neither. I don't think he took any termites along for the voyage (for obvious reasons) and yet here they are. I know of certain fundamentalist who even claim that he had dinosaurs on the ark because since the Earth is only 6000 years old they had to co-exist with man AFTER the Flood. Since God is not the author of confusion, I tend to not buy this reading of events. Thinking like this happens when you believe in Holy Ink. In those days the "whole earth" was a much more local event especially since, as you pointed out foolestroupe, the extent of the Earth was so largely unknown. Big flood to them! It got everything, i.e. the "Whole Earth" and what foresight to save your farm animals and sacrificial animals. If God in His wisdom invented nature and the laws of nature I would have to assume that all He did, He did through those laws of nature. Some very extraordinary events DO take place in this world, some quite devastating and if you believe in the Creator you may understand these events as having purpose but the "natural" explanation will also hold water (pun intended). This always brings the question of God down to a matter of faith as opposed to a provable fact. I've got some Scripture for that too but I'm sure you grasp the concept without going into detail. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:03 PM Yes Slag, and as my old minister used to say, don't ever forget that teh Devil can cite scripture for his purpose - and THAT always confusedme -how do I know? :-) "Since God is not the author of confusion" I do like that expression... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Slag Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:43 PM That's sweet, isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:11 AM Too many people insist on speaking for God. He is able to speak for Himself. And if He doesn't speak for Himself, maybe He just don't feel like talkin' right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Slag Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:36 AM " He walks with me and He talks with me And He tells me I am His own And the joy we share as I tarry there..." Sorry, the last line is theologically incorrect so I won't recite it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Peace Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:38 AM Why not? Either quote Miles or don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Amos Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:29 PM Linguistically the following chart of languages of Semitic derivation, both Arabic and Hebrew (as well as African relations) may be of interest, Semitic (73) An interesting cross section of the migrations of ancient tribes, this. Excerpted from here. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Jun 07 - 01:54 PM Perhaps Yiddish should be included in that list as well, since it's got significant Hebrew elements, alongside the German etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Who came first, the Arab or the Jew? From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Jun 07 - 02:11 PM Slag, the way I've heard people sing it is, "and the joy we share as we tarry there, none other has ever known". You could interpret it this way: Every person experiences his or her own joy in a totally unique and personal way. Therefore, no one can ever know exactly what that is like for any person other than themselves. Everybody's experience of it stands alone. It doesn't imply to me that no one else can HAVE the same experience...just that their perception of it would be unique. |
