BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 13 - 11:24 PM

Ah. That explains so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 May 13 - 01:13 AM

I misread, and thought it meant 'adopted'.


Don Firth: "I don't think that Goofy knows the difference between "aborted" and "adopted."

Well Don, being as you favor abortions..... David is still here.....does it matter?.....or is that just for everybody else?..and to bolster your 'so-called' liberalism???....Do you have regrets??....Now that you got to meet him!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 May 13 - 02:18 AM

Steve, I'd just like to say how I admire your patience with the coercive idiots posting here. You are batting about 100% right.

FFS - you are a disgrace to your alleged profession. As an (alleged) counsellor I would think you to be a great contributor to suicides.

PFSS - if I couldn't read your shit here I wouldn't believe that such inanity was possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 13 - 09:26 PM

GfS, if you're referring to what I think you're referring to, there never was any question of abortion.

And you got his name wrong. Like everything else.

Idiot!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 May 13 - 10:01 PM

Don Firth: "GfS, if you're referring to what I think you're referring to, there never was any question of abortion.

And you got his name wrong. Like everything else."

Well if I got it wrong, how do you know what I was referring to?

But now that you brought it up, how come: "...there never was any question of abortion."?
I thought you were pro-abortion....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 13 - 12:05 AM

In your case, yes. But it's a little late now.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 13 - 02:34 AM

And you know, Goofy, if you hadn't got yourself expelled from nursery school, you might have eventually learned how to read.

I never, at any point in this discussion, did I say that I'm "for abortion."

I believe that the option of abortion should be available to a woman in certain circumstances, which I specifically stated above.

Once, yet AGAIN, you are lying you stupid head off!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 13 - 01:16 PM

"I thought you were pro-abortion...."

There is not a single sane person on this planet who is pro-abortion. Attend to your terminology.

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 13 - 01:59 PM

Once again, cut from up-thread a way and pasted again here, is my stance on abortion.

Does this sound, as Goofy claims, that I'm "pro-abortion?"

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 07 Mar 13 - 08:07 PM

One solution that should be viable (if I can use that term in this context) is what is known as "Plan B," the "morning after pill. Birth control should be available to any woman who wants it, and should she have unprotected sex, she should have "Plan B" available as a backup.

What this does, as I understand it, is prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall. "Pro-lifers" object to this as merely another form of abortion, but there are two unknowns here.

1) Perhaps the ovum in question was NOT fertilized, hence not a potential person.

2) Who knows how many ova that have been fertilized fail to implant?

Good sex education and available birth control should prevent the problem of unwanted pregnancies in the first place, but if all else fails, abortion should be available to any woman who wants one.

If a woman is using abortion AS a method of birth control, she should be able to have the abortion, but should also receive a severe talking to and a swift kick in the butt!

One thing for sure:   if abortion is flat outlawed in this country, that won't stop wealthy women from taking a little vacation to somewhere where it is legal. Only the non-wealthy will be stuck with unwanted pregnancies.

I think that was clear enough for most relatively intelligent people.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 13 - 07:00 PM

Good sex education and available birth control should prevent the problem of unwanted pregnancies in the first place, but if all else fails, abortion should be available to any woman who wants one.

That's it in a nutshell, Don. What the planet needs is a panel of wise people (vicars, bishops, right-wingers, etc., would be rigorously excluded) to define good sex education. The plumbing department is about ten percent of good sex education. Advice on family planning and contraception (useless unless contraception is freely available) is another ten percent. The rest is all about teaching respect for self and for others, for ridding ourselves of sexism and chauvinism and for showing children that the best world is one based on consideration for others and fair play. That's a process that you don't delegate to the biology teacher. It involves everybody who ever comes into contact with young people (in other words, everybody except the Pope, even physics specialists).

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 May 13 - 06:10 AM

seems to me that it all depends on the humanity of the unborn if we approach the problem ethically,but on the woman [and those pressurizing her]if looked at without that constraint.

Subject: RE: BS: Roe vs Wade ByPass Effort
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 13 - 08:40 AM

OK, add misogyny to your sins. Fine by me. Incidentally, looking at this "ethically" has got us where we are. Up shit creek without a paddle, in other words. Let's try treating it as a practical matter that can be resolved without preaching at people. In the meantime, why not try applying your "ethics" to honest science?