BS: Re the Mudcat

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 05 - 11:43 PM

"I have faith that it WILL be again..."
Then you have more faith than I do. Bully for you, BillD. Do you want a medal, or a chest to pin it on?

"as long as Max and his crew have the will to keep it here"
Sometimes (more often than not lately) it seems as if that time has already passed

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 17 May 05 - 11:46 PM

Calling all clones: It's OK by me if this thread is closed now.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 18 May 05 - 03:24 AM

Brucie - if you don't open it (or post to it) again - this thread IS effectively closed (for you).

If this one is closed - another 3 will be only created in its place anyway.

Please don't encourage our volunteers into action - they don't need any. They already feel themselves qualified to do exactly as they wish with our contributions - as a matter of routine - anyway............

Perhaps operating for periods with this 'back door' is intentional as way Max has of preventing them from tinkering with our contributions?

Have you ever had your contributions tinkered with Missus?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 05 - 03:50 AM

No, this isn't the type of thread we close, anyhow. We don't close Shambles threads, either - we just let him prove himself to be what he is. Not much more I can say on the subject of Mudcat outages, though. Them's the facts. If the facts aren't satisfactory, start another site. Maybe we should just leave the thread, and Clinton and Janet and Shambles can have their troll a trois in private.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:15 AM

We don't close Shambles threads, either - we just let him prove himself to be what he is

Which is what exactly? But whatever it may be - it is not a liar.

As you would not wish to be thought a liar - perhaps Joe you may like to reconsider and correct your statement about 'we' not closing Shambles threads?

Especially in the light of the fact that I seem to be unique - in having a thread that I originated closed by you - not only once but twice?

Do you wish me to post the link to this evidence - or will you accept that your public statement to our forum - was untrue and correct it?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:31 AM

Flying like a bird this morning, thanks guys!
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 05 - 04:55 AM

How typical Joe. You've no answers so you descend into flaming.

"If the facts aren't satisfactory"
What facts?

Step up or step off

(The same goes for "Mudcat". Put up or shut up. Either address the issues at hand or go away. This middling ground is less than worthless.)

"Clinton...shut the fuck up"
Now who's being 'childish'?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:14 AM

Well our nice Mr Guest would appear not to be a resident of the US, unless he/she/it is a night shift worker.
G..

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:22 AM

Clinton...and all you cowardly assholes who won't USE your names...shut the fuck up and let 'em work on it, and be glad you can use the place MOST of the time!

Not wheeling out the old double standard again are you Bill - along with the abusive personal attack? But you know of course that your posts - no matter how abusive or disgruntled - will be safe from any censorship.

Or have you changed your mind and now also consider our anonymous volunteers to be cowardly - for not being prepared to use their names but still feeling qualified to impose their judgement upon the contributions of their fellow posters?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:53 AM

I would like to contribute to Mudcat. Let me just reach into my pocket, and oh, there it is.

It's my middle finger on my right hand sticking straight up and in your general direction.

Hi Clinton. Like the heat? Around 60 posts and I wasn't even mentioned. Sheesh.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 05 - 12:57 PM

" Hi Clinton. Like the heat? "

I think it's they who are feeling the heat... otherwise they wouldn't mewl and bawl so loudly...

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:01 PM

Shambles...nope to all questions

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:19 PM

Clinton tries hard to be like Martin Gibson, but he just can't cut it. Doesn't have the class or the wit. At least you can laugh at MG's threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:24 PM

Why would I bother? We have one MG already...

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 May 05 - 01:52 PM

Well, at least as distinct from Marty, we know that Clinton is an actual, working musician.

Just logged in this morning and right now the Cat seems to be fairly perky. But some folks are so busy being cranky that they apparently haven't noticed.

Sure, it'll probably continue to have its less enthusiastic moments until some wealthy benefactor lays a wad of funds on Max -- or the Vulcans land and assist with some more advanced technology. But in the meantime, The Mudcat Café is here. Where would you be if it weren't? And what would you be bitching about then?

Sure, it would be very nice if the Cat were always right there when we wanted it and it always loaded fast. But until then, I'm glad it's here at all. In the meantime, the lunch at The Mudcat Café is free. So -- once in a while it's closed. And once in a while, when it's open, the waiter is a bit slow.

Bitching and complaining can be counterproductive. How about some positive, helpful suggestions?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:01 PM

"Where would you be if it weren't?"
Elsewhere... missing a few people from here, but likely not missing this place itself... the internet is too ephmemeral to get attached to a 'space' that doesn't even realy exist in the first place...

"And what would you be bitching about then? "
Oh, I'm sure I could find something... The human race provides SO much material fot that alone!

" positive, helpful suggestions?"
I, and others HAVE made them... the seem to fall on ears of the finest cloth...

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: robomatic
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:12 PM

It would be nice if someone posted something technically informative re: this great forum from time to time in a place we could find it. If that is already happening I'm unaware.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:26 PM

if the source of problems are known the problem is usually posted in the help forum. help.mudcat.org/threads.cfm

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: robomatic
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:34 PM

Thanks, but maybe there could be a FAQ sheet occasionally updated, or a techfaqs available from quicklinks?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:36 PM

With what info? I'm confused

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: robomatic
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:49 PM

It would be nice if someone in the know would occasionally explain why Mudcat goes down or goes very very slow, as it has been doing rather often of late. I eventually come back to the forum with no idea of why I couldn't access it, and I don't know where to find out what was wrong or if it could go wrong again, or if it was planned (or unplanned) maintenance.

Put simply, being informed makes people feel better about things. I thought that was the genesis of this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 May 05 - 02:49 PM

Anything updated occasionally would be nice

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 May 05 - 03:15 PM

Oh Don! Don!

No, it's not Jack Benny calling for Don Wilson. It's me telling Don firth, that as a working musician, please don't come to any of my gigs for I don't like playing for the severly aged. i don't do any Lawrance Welk.

I try to keep my gigs more on the upbeat side. Even like to get people to sing along. Naval gazers like Don just bring down the fun of it.

Clinton, you keep at it, ya here?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 May 05 - 03:56 PM

Shambles, you are a liar! The thread you mean has not been closed twice. The first time it was not closed actually as you surely know for you have posted after what you count as the first closure.

See what I do? I take what you post out of context, read not what you mean but take your words verbatim and blow the issue up completely out of proportion ('liar'). Do you recognise that style? It is what you do.

Now, without the ill will:

(1) 'Shambles threads' can easily be read as 'threads about Shambles pet theme' and I have not yet seen one of these being closed. If you had read in the last couple of weeks what others have written in 'Shambles threads' you'd have seen that personal attacks can lead to thread closures. And that can happen (and haasa happened) even if there are personal attacks upon you in a thread started by you.

(2) And, of course, you are not a 'liar' when you just count the announcement of thread closure and the actual closure as two different closures (which makes some sens if one realises that these two events were separated by several years.

The sad truth is you are not a liar in 'Shambles threads'

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:02 PM

Marty, Marty, Marty!

No, not Marty Feldman, but it's a bit difficult to see eye-to-eye with him either. But at least he's funny, which you haven't quite managed yet.

Have no fear about my ever coming to one of your gigs. I like bluegrass, but I don't think you know the difference between bluegrass and crab grass.

Severly [sic] aged? [You still can't type for shit, eh?] No, in my case, my advanced age is known among the cognoscenti as "vintage." I'm a Historical Site; a candidate for being declared a National Treasure. That's a bit better than your problem of constituting a Local Embarrassment. Have you ever thought of becoming a remittance man ? Look it up You're certainly qualified.

Naval gazer? I live across Puget Sound from the Bremerton Naval Shipyard, but due to local topography, I can't actually see it from here, so I could hardly be regarded as a "naval gazer."

Or did you mean "navel gazer?" You really should learn how to spell – or type.

Lawrence who?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:29 PM

"It's me telling Don firth, that as a working musician, please don't come to any of my gigs for I don't like playing for the severly aged." MG

LOL Marvin, you evidently are aware that behavior like yours is not likely to lead to old age for you, "severly" or not, so I can see why you don't consider us oldies your peers. 'Tis just as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 18 May 05 - 05:46 PM

I like old people. Especially grouchy old people.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:03 PM

awww...that's the nicest thing you ever said to me, brucie... ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:05 PM

I don't understand some people at all. They act like they are addicted to something, and suddenly, their dealer is not available, so they have withdrawal symptoms!
Is it possible that the problem is too many members that are overloading the system? If so, how about we get rid of the mal- contents?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:13 PM

LOL

I will call you that when you get old. Y'ain't there yet. Old to me is over 105. Old keeps getting further and further away from the age of 57. Love being around 95 year olds. They always say, "Young man, would you get me some tea, please?" Of course, I say yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:21 PM

brucie....my hero, Elbert Schlotzhauer, recently died at 98. Ten years ago, I helped him drive to Kansas to a Wood Collectors meeting, and he was not a bit grouchy then. Nor was he 3 years later, the last time I saw him. Maybe that was his secret. The Social Security administration says I am "old enough", but I think I'll use your's and Elbert's outlook for my daily activities....

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:40 PM

Ebbie, you are not old. Don't even start to think that. You have a phenomenal wit, great sense of humour, and IMO you are a wonderful gal. Like the line from the song: "This truck's a little old but that don't mean she's slow".

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 May 05 - 06:57 PM

I plan on going out in a sky-diving accident sometime well after my 110th birthday (maybe later). That way, the ending is quick, the view is nice on the way down, and as I hurtle toward the earth, I can keep thinking, "Well, so far, so good!"

Marty seems hung up on what he supposes are debilities brought about by growing older, and it's obvious that he tends to regard older people with a measure of contempt. That's okay, Marty, I don't mind a bit. I find it rather amusing, actually.

Just wait awhile. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:19 PM

LOL Trust me, brucie- I'm s l o w.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:36 PM

I thank the secret MudElf who sent me a gift of the Blue Plate Special CDs.

Now I have the chance to hear many of the people I have bumped into do some music, each in their own style.

One of the many positive things about the Mudcat!

(P.S. I do know who it is now!)

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:11 PM

Ebbie, I believe you when you say you are slow.

I also [bleep] (for antisocial behavior)believe you when you say you forgot what an orgasm feels like since the one you last felt when you went horseback riding at age 15, some 65 years ago.

And Don, I am glad you like bluegrass. I know that your favorite bluegrass banjo player is Eddie Peabody and that you dig out all of his old records looking for the one where he plays Foggy Mountain breakdown with a flatpick.

That's your kind of bluegrass, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: number 6
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:10 AM

the mudcat's slow,
Ebbie's slow,
Brucie's old,
Clinton's lost the old times,
MG has bleepin problems with his communication protocal,
Max just won't communicate,
Guest just won't leave,
too many members,
not enuff system,
and the view is nice on the way down

Jeezuz .... wish European championship poker was on TV rite now.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:31 AM

Oh, gee.
Sh----es caught me.
He'll call it a lie, but it was a mistake.

Yes, I do close Sh----es threads when people are finished posting to them. Otherwise, Sh----es brings them back to life weeks or months or years later, which many people consider obnoxious.
Sh----es likes repetition.

I've been having trouble with MSN and Hotmail. I wonder if Clinton and Janet could go off to Microsoft and kick butt, instead of picking on poor Max. Windows XP could use some butt-kicking, too.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:06 AM

I graduated with distinction with a B Ed in Secondary Education from U of Alberta when I was 38. I took up firefighting when I was just turning 47. One year later I became an Emergency Medical Responder and worked ambulance in a rural area for four years while continuing to respond to calls with the fire department--as a volunteer with both fire and ambulance. (My final EMR course mark was 97%--from a respected post-secondary school in Alberta.) I had a total hip replacement when I was 52. Two months after the hip replacement I was responding to fire calls and back with ambulance (and also back in my martial art class. I continue to do the fire work--as a volunteer--and I respond to about 75-85 calls per year; everything from structure fires to hazmat to MVCs to other types of rescue work. Hey, y'all, some of us don't even hit our stride until we turn forty. And I'm still looking forward to finding out what I'll be when I grow up. Age? Yeah, it does slow me down a bit--but on the bright side, it gives younger people a chance to keep up.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:11 AM

PS None of the above is meant to be a brag sheet. Simple statements of fact. Age is part of the life process. Goes with the turf. Ya may not like it, but it is lots better than the alternative.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 May 05 - 02:18 AM

Yes, I do close Sh----es threads when people are finished posting to them. Otherwise, Sh----es brings them back to life weeks or months or years later, which many people consider obnoxious.
Joe Offer.

The only way to ensure that people are finished posting to them - is for our volunteers to prevent this - by closing them.

This is another area of confusion for posters - caused by this imposed personal judgement or routine 'meddling'.
Starting new threads - when there may be threads already on the subject - is judged by our volunteers as wrong.

And refreshing an old thread is also judged by them as wrong.

Recently before starting a new thread I did a search (as instructed) and found one that I could refresh. I scrolled all the way down to the end - to find that the thread had been closed - as a matter of routine!

The software does not judge the refreshing of threads as 'obnoxious' - so until it does - perhaps our volunteers face reality and stop imposing their judgement upon us?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:09 AM

The details are in the following thread - let us leave our forum to decide?

Can closed threads be re-opened?

Perhaps it would be better if all threads were automatically closed a certain time after they fall-off the end of the page?

Perhaps it would be better if all threads remained open?

It would certainly be better for everyone (in the long run) if all threads (and all posters) were treated consistently and any censorship here - was seen always to be open, fair and have a clear objective.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:16 AM

Clinton...and all you cowardly assholes who won't USE your names...shut the fuck up and let 'em work on it, and be glad you can use the place MOST of the time!

Perhaps it can be explained why the abusive personal attack and anti-social behavior above from Bill D - is safe from censorship - when the following in the same thread is not?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Martin Gibson - PM
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:11 PM

Ebbie, I believe you when you say you are slow.

I also [bleep] (for antisocial behavior) believe

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 May 05 - 06:03 AM

"Perhaps it can be explained why..."

There's an expression "Get a life!" which gets very much overused, and I generally dislike it - but there are some occasions when it seems appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 May 05 - 07:21 AM

Eddy Peabody played Bluegrass? Since when?

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: Azizi
Date: 19 May 05 - 07:45 AM

Re: Brucie's post on 19 May 05 - 01:06 AM

Well, I'm impressed! Mudcat people lead such interesting lifes!!

I'm sure that I'm not alone in saying "Thank you, Brucie, for working to make life [and Mudcat] a better place.




Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 19 May 05 - 07:58 AM

Thank you to everyone who makes the Mudcat happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:11 AM

It's not 'The Mudcat' - it's the people!

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: number 6
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:22 AM

I'm with Azizi all the way on thanking Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Re the Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:25 AM

100!