BS: From someone who rarely starts threads

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 15 - 03:43 AM

Yep we know your views on Ireland - t'ick Paddies playing Country and Western and singing moany songs - been there, done that with you.
No skilled tradesmen out of work - what planet have you been living on for the last half century?
I spent a great deal of my life moving from city to city dodging unemployment - if I had been married with a family, as many unemployed tradesmen I knew where in that little world outside the S.E. of England, we would never have survived - Norman the Dalek's (and your) advice of "get on your bikes" would never have been an option for us.
I was luck enough to get an apprenticeship - very few of my generation in the North of England got the same chance.
I'm afraid The Iron Lady's lies have addled your brain - do you actually believe the garbage you spout?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 15 - 03:50 AM

And by the way - of all the places in Britain, up to the point when the bankers and politicians fecked up the country, Ireland did extremely well out of Europe, socially and culturally - the Celtic Tiger may have been a slogan, but the improvements to the way of life here were very much a reality (I say that as someone who was never fully sold on the E.U. for political reasons).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 15 - 05:26 AM

I live in Ireland, for all its faults I prefer it to England.

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Musket
Date: 09 May 15 - 06:28 AM

Low tax, cash culture.

I enjoyed it myself for a while for the same reasons...

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 15 - 07:01 AM

Well, as the recent election has shown, people are starting to pay attention.

The whole of England to a larger or lesser extent voted for conservative answers to the economic problems.
Scotland voted for a radical agenda of pressure on Westminster and the vision of a free Scotland to carry it forward.

The stance of the soft left has been found to be based on empty rhetoric.....it cannot be made to work in today's economic climate and given the way in which society has been emasculated.

Reality is slowly taking a grip, you want to live in a robber baron society?   then the barons rule.
As I have said many times, if you want the "fringe benefits" of "liberalism" someone has to pay the piper, and it wont be the ruling class.

Wish us luck you sassenachs...... Home rule for the Geordies and the Scousers!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 15 - 07:39 AM

Home rule for the Geordies and the Scousers!! :0)

Hey! Don't forget Lancashire and Yorkshire. If it wasn't for the Pennines we would have ruled the world :-)

I'm all for re-introducing the Watford Gap as well...

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Teribus
Date: 09 May 15 - 07:41 AM

" if I had been married with a family, as many unemployed tradesmen I knew where in that little world outside the S.E. of England, we would never have survived"

Ehmm NO Jim you would have hit upon the solution you eventually found a damn sight sooner.

By the way how does having a wife and family prevent anybody from working elsewhere? Myself and thousands of others did it quite successfully for the best part of 40 years - if you work at sea it is the "norm".

You left the UK some time ago, therefore yo preaching at those who live here now amounts basically to just so much "magpie chatter".

Yes the Irish Republic did well out of the EU - only problem Jim, was it was all "borrowed money" - the EU, the biggest and best "Gombeen Men" on the planet.

This from Frank Kane written in November 2010 around the time of the last Irish Bail out:

"it is the euro that has reduced Ireland to its current dire straits - the euro, and the gombeen men, Irish, American or European, who will now hammer in the coffin nails.

The Irish themselves must bear a lot of the blame. How could a poor, underpopulated, agriculture-based society on the extreme limits of Europe suddenly become home to a thriving property market rivaling London, New York and Paris? It should have made somebody sit up and think when apartments in Ballsbridge, Dublin, were changing hands for more than the equivalent in Manhattan or Mayfair.

The statistic that brought it home to me was this: in 2005, the part of the world that had the highest per capita ownership of private swimming pools was not Malibu, California, or Boca Raton, Florida, nor even Dubai, UAE, but County Donegal, Ireland.

These were not owned by farmers who suddenly decided they might have need of a refreshing dip after they finished cutting the hay, traditionally the principal economic activity in the beautiful but impoverished region.

They were owned by investment bankers, stockbrokers and property investors from the great megalopolis of Dublin who, having made their millions there, wanted to get back to their Irish roots in the rural homelands. A swimming pool was just part of the package, even if totally inappropriate for the climate of north-west Ireland.

So indigenous greed was part of it; the gombeen man was usually Irish. But it was the euro and Ireland's enthusiastic membership of the EU that created the conditions for greed to grow.

Ireland had stoked its own property boom by a combination of generous tax incentives for businesses and entrepreneurs, especially the "creatives", which sucked in investment in the 1990s. The launch of the euro in Ireland in 2002, replacing the Irish pound, or punt, and the low interest rate regime Germany insisted on, really set the Irish property market alight.

Freed up from foreign exchange constraints and seeking the highest return, euros flooded into Ireland to inflate the property market. By the time the Irish realised what was happening, at the very beginning of the financial crisis, it was already too late.

Without the power to adjust interest rates or introduce currency controls, they were helpless to prevent the collapse. The one big, radical measure they took - when the government guaranteed all bank deposits - has exploded in their faces now that all Irish banks are more or less toxic institutions.

The fate of other small economies on the periphery of Europe, such as Greece and Portugal, simply reinforces the message: a one-for-all currency regime in a region with more than 300 million people all at different stages of economic development is simply not practical. The architects of the euro zone were peddling a fantasy when they suggested it was a desirable arrangement.

The Greek, Irish and (looming) Portuguese crises might prove to be the coffin-nail for the euro zone but somehow I doubt it. The gombeen men of the EU and IMF have got their power web in place and I doubt they'll want to relax their grip now."

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 15 - 09:02 AM

"By the way how does having a wife and family prevent anybody from working elsewhere? "
What a stupid question
Apart from not being there to see your children grow up - an incidental to some people I suppose - there's the question of paying two lots of rent on a working man's wage
By "hit upon the solution you eventually found a damn sight sooner" you mean what exactly - that I would have dragged a young family all over the place in search of work and somewhere to live - as I had to.
You really are sold aon Tebbit's bike - or maybe t that should be a tandem!
Eejit
The only place in Britain then and now was within reach of London - horrendously expensive then - out of the question now.
I lived fora fair amount of time in Wandsworth, in S W London.
A report on London accommodation in yesterday's Irish Times (headed "London exodus as tenants (are) paid to leave city), gives the average for a flat in Wandsworth today as £549 per week
A cramped one-bedroom gores just shy of £300 pw, a two bedroom for £465 and a three bedroom for £800
Who kows, maybe there's plenty of work on the Planet Zog, where you apparently seem to reside.
"therefore yo preaching at those who live here now amounts basically to just so much "magpie chatter"."
Again a statement based on total ignorance of the subject
Whan I left England I settled in Ireland - not on the Moon.
I have family all over England - two of my sisters are still in Liverpool, now retired and struggling on a pension following a life of being in and out of jobs, one disabled and in poor health, living on the estate I grew up in - it's always the same with you tossers - don't tell us how to run our lives - yet more than ready to send me packing all over England in search of work.
Your selected opinions on Ireland are similarly ignorant
Frank Kane was once Business editor of the Observer, writing on the interests of the wealthy. since 2007 he has been leading a team of seventy, editing a newspaper 'The Emirites Today', based in Dubai "The target audience is English-reading, affluent, aspirational people involved in business here".
Just the feller to tell Ireland where it went wrong.
It is probably one of the crassest summings up of what has happened and is still happening in Ireland I've ever come across - I can remember how it was greeted when it appeared in the press here - have ouu ever been to Donegal - I suggest you go and see how they live there
Ireland's problems were not unsimilar than those in Britain - ta massive build-build-build policy. banks advising customers that money grew on trees - then CRASH
Come into the real world and see how it really is, not howw its painted by them at the top.
Are you for real?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Musket
Date: 09 May 15 - 09:06 AM

Err.. The people of Scotland voted for SNP to carry out its manifesto, which made it perfectly clear that independence was not a factor of the election and not to be seen as part of any mandate given to SNP.

They also stood on a manifesto of what has been called on these threads 'liberalism.'

Prosperity through equality, as the election slogan of SNP states quite clearly.

Not a good day at the office eh Alex?

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 15 - 09:37 AM

I take it you didn't hear Mrs Sturgeons speech from the shadow of the Forth Railway Bridge today?

All about getting our young people back to work and other IMPORTANT issues. The media have served their purpose, or rather they have been outflanked....."softly softly catchee monkee" :0)

Don't be a sore loser, it looks like you may be getting David Lambie as leader.....I'm sure he'll be "liberal" enough for even you three :0)   LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 May 15 - 10:21 AM

Lammy Akeaton, David Lammy

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 May 15 - 10:24 AM

Just to make it perfectly clear to Motörhead fans - not Lemmy either...!!!😜

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Teribus
Date: 09 May 15 - 10:31 AM

"I finally moved to the soft under-belly of Britain, the South East - struggled to find work, but with help, got it, but lived hand-to-mouth because of the cost of accommodation.
Finally became self-employed and got regular work

That was what you said on the Thatcher Squabble Thread wasn't it Jim.

Now read that part of it that I have highlighted in bold and then go back and re-read what I said.

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 May 15 - 10:55 AM

"Now read that part of it that I have highlighted in bold and then go back and re-read what I said."
Why - you've said sweet sod all worth reading so far - what obscure point are you making now - that the nation should move to London to acquire work - maybe we should buy caravans and become itinerants - then your Tory Councils could move us on whenever they feel the need to.
You've ducked and dived every single set of figures you've been given to date.
You've refused to either justify Thatcher's fascism in relation to her support for murderous South American dictators
You have ignored the realities of having to follow the work
You've shuffled around the problems of moving to where the work is - horrendous rents, keeping two homes...
You quote a Dubai journalist whose stated aims are to suck up to the rich and successful, as evidence for what's happening in Ireland, siding with him when he blames the people for their predicament (now - there's a surprise!!)
You tell us tradesmen have never had trouble obtaining work.
You tell us the gap between rich and poor isn't getting bigger
You echo political thugs like Tebbit and tell us to get on our bikes
Don't think following your particular ball of string is really worth the effort
You seem far more in character when you're brown-nosing the establishment
Do you realise how ridiculous you appear when you try to talk down to people from the hole you've dug for yourself?
Jim Carroll (or maybe I should sign off im Carroll, and give you a typo to grasp)

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 May 15 - 12:51 PM

Subject: RE: BS: From someone who rarely starts threads
From: Musket - PM
Date: 09 May 15 - 06:28 AM

Low tax, cash culture.

I enjoyed it myself for a while for the same reasons...
for feck sake, more cobblers, low tax in ireland?