BS: Why are Folkies so critical?

Subject: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:03 PM

At Mudcat at least, we seem to spend an inordinate amount of time criticising each other, or third parties such as radio programs etc.

Would it not be better to focus on the good things?

Fetivals aren't perfect, the BBC isn't but come on!!!! Positive is good.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:05 PM

"Fetivals aren't perfect, the BBC isn't "

Oh, yeah? Post one and it's already got criticism in it. Sheesh . . . .

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:07 PM

(I was kidding, Ed.)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: irishenglish
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:07 PM

Because folkies are perfect, therefore everything else pales in comparison and must be criticized!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:09 PM

Critical ? We're absolutely vital!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:10 PM

"Fetivals aren't perfect,"

You spelled festivals wrong. What is your problem???















just teasing!!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:10 PM

I think this thread need go no further as Ed himself has defeated the purpose of it with his very first post.*LOL*

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Slag
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:19 PM

Criticism is an important tool for advancing in any field of endeavor. It is a chance to learn how what you are doing is being perceived. It is a chance to learn from others who are knowledgeable in your field. If you don't clash ideas together and see how well they stand up you may just wind up being an audience of one! Or living in a house with a weak foundation!

I have belonged to artistic groups who have performed or read their original works to that group and then we had a period (in one group in particular we called "Brickbats and Bouquets")of criticism where you had to balance each negative comment with a positive comment. It worked great.

True, some folks can get downright nasty with their criticisms. It seems as though they must throw in a personal attack with their opinions. But try not to get ruffled and look for the thing that may have fired their emotions. Sometimes it is just a difference OF opinion; a personal preference and nothing more and sometimes you might learn something from their comments in spite of their spite!

Cheers! Never quit learning!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:20 PM

"Those that can, do..."

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:22 PM

Besides - Ed is a guest and we don't trust "guest" postings. If he cared about this topic he's join. He probably thinks that Peter, Paul and Mary sing folk music......

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:24 PM

...and you're telling me they don't?? LOL

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:26 PM

They don't?

One school of thought might argue that PP&M are not true folksingers, but that the material that they choose to perform is indeed folk music, or, at least, composed largely of folk songs.

Who sez we're hairsplitters?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:28 PM

"Besides - Ed is a guest and we don't trust "guest" postings. If he cared about this topic he's join. He probably thinks that Peter, Paul and Mary sing folk music...... "

what a snotty nosed attitude!

Charlotte (hands Wesley a hankie for his snotty nose)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:29 PM

Well, GUEST Ed, I suppose it all boils down to: what do we mean by "folkies"?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:29 PM

Split Ends Anonymous?

Out of which grew Crowded House, I believe.

Neil Finn- Now THAT'S what I call a folksinger!!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: GUEST,KissMe Slow Slap Me Quick
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:32 PM

....and, of course, Guest Ed is no stranger to being critical or abusive.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:36 PM

this id all beginning to sound suspiciously like a

What is(fill in the appropriate genre)music thread

"and, of course, Guest Ed is no stranger to being critical or abusive."

hence the nullifying of this thread

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:38 PM

To be serious for a moment, Criticism, I think, is very often a projection of unwanted self-criticism onto others. For example, x (a man never known to crack a smile in public), will chide y for being a miserable bastard, or "only singing miserable songs", etc.; all the while being only too aware deep down that his words are merely a projection of his own misery.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:41 PM

...well, yes, Charlotte, that's true. And yet we always come across you on those threads...:)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:43 PM

we aren't critical...we 'critique!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Slag
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:48 PM

...and then there's just the plain silliness...

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: irishenglish
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:49 PM

So x being a mudcatter who doesn't like a certain band, tells y that band is really crap. This of course means that x really deep down does like that band?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:52 PM

No, it means deep down x himself is crap...er...

OK, so the analysis doesn't work every time, but do you expect perfection? This is a FOLK forum! Stop being so damn critical!!

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 05:58 PM

as "we" always come across you......

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:01 PM

...yes, but I enjoy these threads! Most of the time, anyway...

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:01 PM

Well, Ewan McColl and the Critic's Group might have had something to do with it?

Kitty

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:02 PM

then there are those critical first four letters in analysis.

and if someone doesn't like an artist/singer/songwriter/piece of music/whatever, then they should be free to do so if they choose without fear of recrimination or name calling.

Charlotte (that well known troll)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:02 PM

so do I, most of the time.....

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:03 PM

Why are people so critical? Well, one reason is that they do it to enhance and strengthen their own sense of identity. By saying, "I don't like this!" they are helping to solidify their own sense of who they are, by focusing on whatever they think they are not.

You see this on the part of not just folkies, but practically any group of people whom you could care to mention.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:07 PM

"then there are those critical first four letters in analysis."

Absolutely! And we all know now I'm an ARSS (grin)

Never called you a troll, BTW.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:12 PM

WTF is BTW?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:14 PM

By The Way. Why, what were you thinking of?

...snicker...

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: irishenglish
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:15 PM

BY THE WAY

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:15 PM

Thank You Dr Little Hawk, much appreciated...now...in our next news item...a folk was threaten with being torn apart at a local folk club when he dared perform 99 Bottle of Beer On The Wall..

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:16 PM

IMO, all these OTT acrynomes/accrynims/accronymes/ abrevviations/abbreeviations/abrreviations short ways of saying things have GTG.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:17 PM

"a folk was threaten with being torn apart at a local folk club when he dared perform 99 Bottle of Beer On The Wall"

Must have been an English-language pedant who insisted on the pluralization of beer.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:17 PM

Que?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:20 PM

This is descending into a BS thread, I think.

But the Critic's Group were based on the principle described in Slag's 5.19 post, and the membership included Ewan McColl, Peggy Seeger, Frankie Armstrong and Sandra Kerr.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM

"This is descending into a BS thread, I think."

no think about it, it is...a typo once in awhile is allowed. Piece

Charlotte (non-pendantic)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:26 PM

Wasn't a criticism. In North America the term 'beers' is used, too.

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:28 PM

However, if they sang it twice, would it be the same as singing "198 Bottles of Beer(s) on the Wall" once?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM

Humour, insight and... from ....oh wait, sorry...I was thinking about something else...and like I said, it was a typo, nothing more nothing less..

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:32 PM

. . . or "396 Bottles of Beer(s) on the Wall" if they did it four times?

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:37 PM

Which Tyler, led the Pedants' Revolt?

Kitty

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:39 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 06:46 PM

The Pedants are revolting, Sir.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Gene Burton
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 07:03 PM

Hmmm, that's odd, following Bruce's statement about the Pluralisation of Beer I followed up with a playful (and of course devastatingly witty) discourse confusing plurals in language with political pluralisation to comic effect...which seems to have been mysteriously zapped. Is there an over-eager elf in the vicinity?

Sorry, but THIS clone just checked and there are NO posts that have been removed from this thread. Are you sure you hit submit without the preview box checked?

Subject: RE: BS: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 07:08 PM

Shane's favorite song is "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall". Many people are critical of Shane.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 07:20 PM

Well actually I agree, I never criticise anybody.

Even if a folk festival has booked people whom I know will bore the living shit out of me. I am the very soul of tolerance. I merely smile and say - well done, where do I purchase my extremely expensive ticket, because even though I don't have the good taste and requisite amount of intelligence to appreciate this excruciatingly dull nonsense - there might be a beer tent, I might bump into old pals and we can talk very loudly and annoy the fuck out of people who are trying to listen. There might be a cd stall selling stuff that I hadn't thought of getting, but I can come home and get it cheaper on Amazon. And with a bit of luck I might be able to get a new corn dolly, as my old one has worn out through improper use.

Think not what you can do you for your local folk festival, think rather, think what it can do for you in terms of innocent merriment.

Subject: RE: BS: Why are Folkies so critical?
From: gnu
Date: 20 Feb 08 - 07:26 PM

Didn't read the whole thread (sorry). But, 50 posts in two hours? That's critical.