BS: Animal Rights Protesters

Subject: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:04 AM

Bunch of weirdo loonies, why dont they fuck off and get a life?

Did anyone watch Treveor Macdonald Investigates, last night?

Theres a guniea, guenia, gi, small animal [rodent] farm and the owners suppliers and staff have been hassled, including death threats,
1 included geting an email, quote "Leave your job, or we'll stab you to death]!

also the grandma of one of the employess died, her body was dug up from her grave and dumped somewhere.

the animals bred there, are used to test drugs for human use, and to help cure disease such as cancer etc.

these people are just nutters and , complete hippocrits., ie they worry about little animals, but are happy to kill people, smash there windows, damage there property etc.

there was one bloke on there, that got 20 years jail, for planting bombs in shopping centres, complete nutters.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:08 AM

They should all be rounded up and sold for scientific research

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:11 AM

Anyway, the bloke in jail died, starved himself to death, serves him right, hes just a terrorist in my opinion.
and them crazy loonies was holding a memorial service for him!

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:13 AM

they should be rounded up and shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:06 AM

We could hunt them instead of foxes jOhn.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: MaineDog
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM

Secretly, they are paid off by the road kill ---- to let the animals out where the trucks can get them.
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:29 PM

From the dictionary...

Terrorism- the use of terror and violence to intimidate

Yup, they qualify...and then complain about their right to peaceful protest. Since when were making death threats and exhuming corpses considered peaceful protest?

And who the fuck decided that rodents have more rights than human beings?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 03:40 PM

Well ,right now inthis shitty old world , its kinda hard to determine the rodents from the human beings.

In fact it gives us rodents a real bad name.

I thought from your previous posts B. I., that you were to be a much needed blast of fresh air , but I see you;ve settled in nicely.

Give my regards to the lynch mob..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 03:59 PM

I'm all in favour of ending animal testing, if these hippie whimps will volunteer to step up and have drugs and make-up and such like tested on them!

But I will still wear fur, and leather... and eat meat!

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: el_punkoid_nouveau
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM

If every right has an equal responsibility - what responsibilities do animals have?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM

Lynch mob? So, by finding the actions of a violent group of extremists abbhorent, i am now a member of some imaginary lynch mob?
For fucks sake...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: MMario
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:08 PM

technically - shouldn't 'animal rights protesters' be people protesting against rights for animals?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:13 PM

Maybe they are. The weirdo loony ones ones certainly aren't doing anything positive for the cause of animal rights...in fact, they're probably having a negative impact. The ones who are conducting peaceful protests have quite sensibly distanced themselves from the arseholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:28 PM

" i am now a member of some imaginary lynch mob?"

No yer not BI... It's like HATING Nazis, for example... that doesn't make you a bad person...

It's like hating people who will step over one of their fellow human beings laying in the street in a puddle of his own filth, to throw red paint on a woman wearing a fur coat...

It just means you have yer head properly screwed on....

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:33 PM

akenaton-I don't understand your post, or the point your'e making.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:46 PM

In general, Human beings are not better or more deserving than "animals".
We are in fact animals ourselves,and in my opinion many of our species are pretty far down the food chain.

This thread has started of with a typical Mudcat knee jerk reaction, hense the "lynch mob " remark.

Animal rights ,including intensive farming and other abuses will have a very important role in any political change in the UK or US.

So dont write it off as "the lunatic fringe"

Time will indeed be the revelator...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:50 PM

If things had turned out differently you can bet the mink, given half a chance'd be walking around in OUR skins...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:54 PM

Maybe but I bet he wouldnt like our heads on his shoulders

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:57 PM

Akenaton-did you watch the programme I refer to in my opening post?

These people are lunatics and criminals, they are prepared to kill, injure and terorise people for the sake of a few guneia pigs!

The company concerned, Huntingdon Life Siences [www.huntingdon.com], carry out life saving research into cancer and numerous other diseases, yes they use a few hamsters etc, so bloody waht!
If it would cure cancer, I would quite happily kill all the hamsters in britain!

The company also test animal treatments to save the lives of pets and farm animals, but the animal rights loonies won't mention that.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:57 PM

Just for once I agree with John 100 percent.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:01 PM

Always a lunatic fringe somewhere. Tom Cochrane had it right.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:03 PM

John...tey've been carrying out cancer research on animals since I was a boy and are still no nearer a cure.

Not to mention all the animals killed in research into cosmestics ect ect

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Peace
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:03 PM

People are animals, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:04 PM

"Animal rights ,including intensive farming and other abuses will have a very important role in any political change in the UK or US."

Yes, if these issues are debated and protested over in a peaceful manner... sending death threats to employees of research companies is not peaceful protest, it is harrasment. Apart from anything else, these arseholes are damaging their own cause by resorting to such levels of idiocy. They are the lunatic fringe. Those who are speaking out for animal rights in a peaceful manner are not...and even if i don't agree with them, i defend their right to do so.

I don't think cosmetics should be tested on animals, simply because it's unnecessary; but given the choice between allowing a human being to die from disease and allowing an animal to die through research that could have saved that persons life, i would save the human. Sorry, but i outgrew the teachings of Anton Lavey some years ago...anyway, i must get back to my kneejerk responses and lynchings.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:09 PM

Not to mention all the animals killed in research into cosmestics

Well, that's true and it IS deplorable.
Disease research is one thing, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:09 PM

"are still no nearer a cure"
Now that is just so much bullflop.... We get closer everyday...

" Not to mention all the animals killed in research into cosmestics ect ect"
You'd rather it was people? Or that cosmetics and such hit the market UNTESTED?

No thanks...

" i outgrew the teachings of Anton Lavey some years ago"
*gasp* *shocked* *Horror* Blasphemer!    LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM

No, you misunderstand me, i'm his successor...don't tell anyone, though...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:14 PM

Ummm... You may just have told everyone....

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:15 PM

Whoever mentioned minks wearing our skins was probably right. Some animal right protesters freed a load of minks from a mink farm - they completely devastated the local countryside and its indiginous animals. Nasty little buggers apparantly!

I agree as well. These people want their heads examining - I think any decent person is against cruelty of any kind but if the research is necesary and the animals suffer no more than necessary why are they so against it? Particularly the ones perpetrating violence!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:16 PM

Anyway=cosmetics etc should be tested on animals, waht if it fell onto a dog?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:19 PM

And what about the people suffering both directly, as a result of their violence, and indirectly, as a result of their disrupting medical research?

If they come anywhere near me, i shall set the dogs on them. Then we'll see how much they love animals...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:20 PM

"Some animal right protesters freed a load of minks from a mink farm"

The story that I heard was that the minks all died horribly becasue they had been bred in captivity, and had NO CLUE how to survive outsdie...

Which, I think, paints the protesters as even stupider!

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:20 PM

if they come near me, i'll set my hamster on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:24 PM

Is it an attack hamster, jOhn? Did you train it to go for the yarbles?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:24 PM

Lol, jOhn!

I once saw someone go off on one about a fur jacket...and then getting all uncomfortable when the fur jacket wearer pointed out that the guy was wearing leather shoes...so, if it squeeks it's got rights, if it moos it can go fuck itself?

Of course the funniest bit was when the fur jacket wearer shouted after him- 'Anyway, it's fake you wanker!'

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:28 PM

There is no evdence that the grave in question, was dug up by animal rights protesters.

Why would they?

This smacks of dirty tricks, by the pro vivisection lobby.

Demonise the enemy.

Btw. Huntingdon Research Centee were the subject of an undercover television investigation, which resulted in several convictions for animal cruelty.

Later, their director Brian Cass was strangely awarded an OBE.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM

Why would they? See above definition of terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM

BI The threats and actions you speak of are in fact "economic terrorism" a subject which has been discussed on other threads,and a tactic which will be used more and more as groups short circuit our phony "democracy".

Its also very effective as has been proved at Oxford.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:38 PM

So you are now advocating the use of terrorist tactics to undermine democracy for the purpose of stopping essential medical research?

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:38 PM

Mailing death threats and freeing animals who are incapable of independant survival are not "economic terrorism"...

They're stupid... and only serve to give these people even 'shakier' ground to stand on...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:40 PM

And Clint...Im afraid youve got your facts wrong.

Mink do infact breed very well in the wild, we've got lots of them here in Argyll
They do tend to take a lot of fish , they're very voracious..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:40 PM

Let's go back to the dictionary definition...

Terrorism- the use of terror and violence to intimidate

Sounds to me to be exactly what they're doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM

smiler-there were 2 prosecutions relating to animal welfare, brought against employees of Huntingdon.
The protestors have dozens of convictions, assault, criminal damage, planting bombs in shopping centres [resulting in a 20 year jail sentence], etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM

And let's screw over the ecosystem while we're at it, eh? Why not add hypocrisy to our list of good deeds...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM

The terror Im referring to , is the terror shareholders feel when their stock is about to nose dive...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:45 PM

And what were they trying to prove by planting a bomb in a shopping centre, exactly? Oh, lets blow some people up! Wow, maybe we can get a few kids! I sure hope so, the little bastards are ruining the world for all the rodents! Yeah, we'll leave a few maimed and bleeding children around...that'll really help our cause...

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

Brian Cass was awarded a CBE, not an OBE.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

I didn't say they didn't Ak... read what I posted instead of what you want to see...

The ones that were freed, were bred in captivity, and had NO survival skills... so the couple of hundred that were released by a passle of idiots, all died horrible deaths of starvation and such....

Of course mink survive in the wild.... provided that's where they came from...

"let's screw over the ecosystem while we're at it"
I think we should 'get' it before it 'gets' us!

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:51 PM

I define terrorism as causing terror.

This counts for those in white coats abusing animals in laboratories, in the name of research, while we haven't even cured the common cold!

As far as I'm concerned all economic damage goes, as governments don't listen.

You're more likely to find news of a new medical “treatmentâ€쳌 in the finance section, rather than the news pages of your newspaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Animal Rights Protesters
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:54 PM

Clinton ..Sorry, I did misread.

What you were saying was, too many mink were released to survive on the food available..Ake