BS: Vote to Impeach Bush

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 03 - 01:55 AM

Kat. There are so many threads that the quote fits. Why elaborate on what was done so eloquently by someone so renowned as Roosevelt? If you dont like the debate or the tone of the quote, I cant help but pity your posting on this matter. You repeat your vitriolic hatred of Bush everywhere dont you?

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 May 03 - 02:12 AM

I wouldn't call that eloquent. I also don't really see its relevance to this thread. And, I try to express my contempt for the shrub in my own words with occasional use of quotes and cites. But, most of all, everyone knows who is expressing that "vitriol" as you call it and I am sure that is something Roosevelt would have understood.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 03 - 03:10 AM

War Powers Granted
by Nancy A. Bock


October 11, 2002

By overwhelming margins, a bipartisan vote of both houses of Congress granted President George W. Bush the "war-making" powers he sought to force Iraq to disarm.

Long Island representatives voted unanimously to support the President, although each attached caveats and warnings to their votes. By a vote of 296 to 133 in the House (Thursday) and 77 to 23 in the Senate (Friday), Congress agreed that the threat from Saddam Hussein warrants the possibly extreme action Bush proposed.

"The real questions that we should be asking are not about whether something should be done about Iraq," Congressman Gary Ackerman said. "Something must be done. Our national security requires it." He added, "Saddam Hussein is pure evil."

"It is clear that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons," Senator Hillary Clinton said.

Yet Congress did exact a promise from Bush that he would exhaust all other diplomatic avenues before taking unilateral action. "A vote for [the resolution] is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed," Clinton warned.

Congressman Felix Grucci feels that Hussein poses a continuing threat to peace. "Without fully disarming Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction, America and our allies cannot be safe and the War on Terrorism will not be won," he said.

"Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power," Clinton said, echoing a sentiment that seemed to run through many elected officials.

One impetus for granting Bush the wide ranging power is the expectation that if Hussein does in fact have the weapons he will not hesitate to use them in the U.S. "We must not allow America's major cities to be the testing site for Saddam's nuclear capability," Grucci argued.

Congressman Steve Israel agreed, noting, "I fear that unchecked, Saddam Hussein will gain nuclear weapons capability sooner than anyone could have predicted.

Bush has insisted he has made no decision to use military force but that the support of Congress allows him to push the United Nations into approving tougher resolution to disarm Iraq. Even with Congress' backing it could still take months to assemble a military campaign to engage Iraq.

However, as Israel put it, "fighting sooner is less costly than fighting later."

Impeach yourselves....

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 May 03 - 01:15 PM

In the long run you will find that fighting either sooner or later is far more costly than the price of not addressing the real problems in the World which are: poverty, inequality, and ecological destruction.

Those problems will not be solved by warfare. They will be solved by placing human life and all other life above temporary financial gain for a few key players.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 May 03 - 02:54 PM

Tell you what, folks: this "Impeach Bush" thing is a cute idea, but let's face it—it has a snowball's chance in hell. Best to spend one's time and energy working on making sure that the Democrats provide a good, strong, articulate candidate (with a genuine spine) to oppose Bush in the 2004 elections—in fact, a whole slate of candidates with a real alternative platform to oppose the Republican Party (here's how), and then work like little beavers to make sure there is a regime change in this country in the next election. The Bush Administration and the rest of the Neo-Cons have every intention of occupying the White House, the Congress, and the Judiciary for the foreseeable future. They have long range plans. And they are not too finicky about the way they manage it (see last "election").

GUEST, it has nothing to do with "vitriolic hatred of Bush." There is nothing personal about this. It has to do with stopping the Bush/Neo-Con agenda before they lead this country down Hell's Highway to a fascist state. You think, "But this is America! It can't happen here!" Okay, then—just sit idly on your keister and wait.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: DougR
Date: 19 May 03 - 01:55 AM

I hate like heck to agree with Don, but he is right on this one I think.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 May 03 - 02:38 AM

I'd have to agree, Doug.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:45 PM

Is there a case to impeach George Bush?

The Case for Impeachment

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 09:55 PM

Over half a million people have now signed the petition linked to in my last posting. People from all over are going to march on Washington D. C. on Sept. 24th to demand impeachment and an end to the war.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 10:45 PM

I tried to click on the first link, and nothing went through. You might want to double check.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 12:15 AM

Names, notations, and URL'S are being Noted

No need for alarm - it is just a routine matter of record keeping since Max went over to Google.

In most cases, it will be several years, if ever, that they come for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Peace
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 12:32 AM

"I think we should shut up and let the government do it's job."

That remark boggles the mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 10:55 AM

Lady Jean, which link? Mine of freda's? They have both worked for me.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 11:30 AM

Yes Kat, that half a million people should get it done. If things were as bad as some of you make them out to be, a person would think there would at least 20 million signatures.

Well, it will some more business for the restaurants and hotels in DC.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 11:43 AM

Last I heard, general incompetance was not grounds for impeachment. Bush is a disaster, as are his policies, but unless there are clear & compelling **legal** offenses, there is no chance for impeachment.

Sorry, folks, but all we really need to do is ELECT someone with a bit of intelligence and decent moral principles next time....and yell loud and hard at this poor excuse for a leader for the next 3 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 12:29 PM

But surely what determines whether a president gets impeached or not is actually nothing to do with the legalities, it's just a matter of votes in Congress? The rest is just talk. (And of course if Bush was impeached you'd be stuck with Cheney...)

Rather a shame you don't have the same system for popular recall and a fresh election nationally for presidents that they have in California for governors.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 01:07 PM

Rather a shame? *grin*....ah, Kevin...you just can't comprehend what it would be like if 'popular recall' were available on a National basis. In the UK you have a system for calling elections and 'votes of confidence', I understand...(much as they do in Israel and other smaller countries). We are just too big and diverse to make it work....elections are bad enough!

In the US it would be chaos, as almost every president would be defending himself against charges and recall petitions half the time!

Yes it IS sorta just a matter of votes in the congress....indictment in the House and trial in the Senate....but it would be along party lines unless a BIG issue was found...like with Nixon...and there has been NO sucessful impeachment in our history. Even Andrew Johnson was not convicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 01:14 PM

(I will say that I often yearn for a smaller, more efficient, multi-party system that more clearly reflected the political realities and allowed 'adjusting' of the government between major elections. This "only two serious parties" nonsense creates some VERY strange alliances and awkward manuverings.)

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 02:10 PM

Articles of Impeachment, put forth by Ramsey Clark. More of what Clark has researched and written considering the Articles of Impeachment.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:15 PM

Those are impressive articles in favour of impreachment by your former Attorney General, kat.

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Tam the man
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:17 AM

Well some Americans like him I don't know how but they do.

I don't.

Tam frae Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Tam the man
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:38 AM

Hi my name is Tony Blair, I pretented that my name is Tam the man, I think that is really terrible you really should be trying to get rid of Me.

Tam frae Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Vote to Impeach Bush
From: Amos
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:03 PM

"hile proclaiming freedom his credo, George W. Bush has done more to destroy freedom and the human dignity which it nourishes than all other Presidents in our history. Who would have dreamed of Abu Ghraib, scores of prisoners murdered, assassinations and summary executions, Guantanamo, thousands imprisoned in the U.S. without Constitutional protections, or sent to be tortured in client states with impunity, all for a President and those acting for him? What prior President has proclaimed himself above the law, coerced more than 100 countries into bilateral treaties promising never to surrender a U.S. citizen to the International Criminal Court?

The world watches and wonders why, if the American people are free, they fail to resist the criminal violence of their President.

The only act that can redeem the United States in the hearts and minds of those still capable of forgiving and believing our government can change its violent ways is the impeachment of George W. Bush and the responsible officials of his administration before it is too late.

The time to begin a final drive for impeachment is now. Together, we are not helpless. Power is in the people united for peace. Perseverance through the midterm Congressional elections in November 2006 can force incumbent members of the House of Representatives to impeach President Bush or face defeat. Failing that, it can restore integrity and honor to the President's oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The Constitution, written with the abuses of King George III painfully in mind, is unequivocal in the action required for criminal conduct of civil officers of the United States:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Article II, Section 4."

Excerpted from a Ramsey Clark email flyer.

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