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BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....

Bobert 18 May 05 - 07:34 PM
PoppaGator 18 May 05 - 07:37 PM
Big Al Whittle 18 May 05 - 07:47 PM
Bobert 18 May 05 - 07:57 PM
GUEST 18 May 05 - 08:05 PM
Bobert 18 May 05 - 08:11 PM
Rustic Rebel 18 May 05 - 08:19 PM
M.Ted 18 May 05 - 09:07 PM
Bobert 18 May 05 - 09:08 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 18 May 05 - 09:44 PM
Bobert 18 May 05 - 10:34 PM
Once Famous 18 May 05 - 10:58 PM
beardedbruce 18 May 05 - 11:00 PM
Once Famous 18 May 05 - 11:04 PM
Ron Davies 18 May 05 - 11:36 PM
Ron Davies 18 May 05 - 11:46 PM
Justa Picker 19 May 05 - 12:10 AM
dianavan 19 May 05 - 01:31 AM
heric 19 May 05 - 01:47 AM
Bobert 19 May 05 - 06:58 AM
Ron Davies 19 May 05 - 08:13 AM
harpgirl 19 May 05 - 09:02 AM
GUEST 19 May 05 - 09:09 AM
Alba 19 May 05 - 09:10 AM
GUEST 19 May 05 - 10:01 AM
Tinker 19 May 05 - 10:03 AM
M.Ted 19 May 05 - 10:36 AM
Azizi 19 May 05 - 11:13 AM
Ebbie 19 May 05 - 11:17 AM
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GUEST 19 May 05 - 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:34 PM

Well, gol danged.... Looks like this thing hit a hunnerd anfd folks were havin' so much fun that no one posted "100".... How refreshin'...

And loved yer *Martin lyrics*, Eb....

And, P-Gator, not to worry. Martin will get around to you... He ignored me quite a bit in te early going but once yer on his (or her) list, yer on...

BTW, word on the street is that MG is actually a 13 year old girl from Springfield, Ill. which is just douth of Chicago....

And she has no real musical skills....

Hmmmmm, maybe this expalins MG's fixations on male sex organs???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:37 PM

Yo Bobert,

You know, there are guys lurking on the internet who'd like nothing better than to meet a 13 year old girl as dirty-minded and potty-mouthed as MG. Let's hope you're not opening a nasty can of worms here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:47 PM

well I'm sure glad all that trouble has been sorted, by the way who was that masked man.......?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 05 - 07:57 PM

He wasn't... He is a 13 years old girl mascuradin' as a 40 something guy who would love nuthin' more than to hook up with a 13 years old girl on the innernet... Now that's purdy sick... But, hey, that's out lovable, 'er not so lovable, MG....


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 05 - 08:05 PM

What's wrong with you Bobert? If you must lavish attention on someone can't you find someone more deserving than the resident moronic sociopath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 05 - 08:11 PM

Sniff....

Yer right, GUEST....

But ever since I found out that MG is a 13 year old girl, I just can't help myself.... Ahhhhhh, not that I'm into 13 years old girls anymore, mind you... But there was a time... Her name was Nina Williams and she was 13, had red hair and I was 12, almost 13 and I thought she was like a grown up....

Ahhhhh, kinda like MG thinks about her 13 year old self....

But, hey, yer right and I am shamefull and will try to be a better boney hillbilly in the future....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 18 May 05 - 08:19 PM

Hey now Bobert, you saying there's something wrong with fixating on a male sex organ? Damn! I must be an obsessive ,compulsive with a side of disorder!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: M.Ted
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:07 PM

GUEST--you can't just say "moronic sociopath" and expect people to know who you're talking about--


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:08 PM

No, no, no...

Ahhhhh, RR, you keep yer eye on the prize... Ahhhh, I weren't talklin' about mature womenz but MG, who is not yet a mature womanz buit would like to be??? That make any sense???

Din't ,ake much sense to me either when I was 13, 'er almost 13...

But like I said, we 50ish males need as many wonenz fixarin' as we can get... Sho nuff... So fixate away... Gonna benefit one of our gray brothers....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 18 May 05 - 09:44 PM

Do we actually get to hear you guys perform? I would love to be the third picker.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 05 - 10:34 PM

Peter,

If you show at the Getaway, I'll danged well perform... Jus' as I did last year... But this year? Gonna take it to a new level 'cause, after all, Iz gonna be kickin MG worthless butt at the same time...

So if you ain't got yer reservations, get 'um 'cause I'm gonna be deliverin' the goods, Martin 'er no-Martin...

No brag, jus' fact....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 May 05 - 10:58 PM

Here's something for morons like bobert to ponder as they try to entertain

There is one person on Mudcat who knows who I really am.

But they are sworn to secrecy and I trust that person completely and he/she is a very old friend.

This person is a regular here as much as I am.

That person does know that:

A) I do live in Chicago
B) I am pretty much what I say I am here
c) I have a day job but am an active musician
D) I'm having a lot of fun yanking the chains of obsessives like bobert and goons like Ron Davies.
E) I'm very happily married with two sons and a step-son
F) That in real life, I am the most bluntly truthfully honest person you would ever meet.
G) That cyberspace is just one big cartoon and that putting too much of an emphasis on it as the reality in your life reveals a 2 dimensional person.

That person is here and knows and is nodding his/her head in approval at what I am saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:00 PM

Martin, just remember


YOU have the choice of weapons.


How about kazoos?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:04 PM

No, BB.

bobert would win on kazoo because he has given so many hummers to his boyfriends he is an expert on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:36 PM

Ebbie--

Wouldn't you agree that to make it authentic "Martin Gibson" you really need the scatalogical element?

I have it on good authority that this is how he "interprets" his favorite song.

She walks thruh the f------ corn leding down to the c--------river
Her a-- shawn like gold in the f------ morning sun
She tuk all the c--- that a f------ pur boy cud give her
And left me to f------die like a goddam c---------- with the runs

(You also need "Martin"s patented spelling).

I'm sure that in his circles he's in big demand. Fascinating that for all his protestations that we mean nothing to him, he's now trying desperately to establish his authenticity.

Also fascinating that he can't do it.



Audition for getting more gigs:


What part did you like the best?
The end.
You mean the last guitar riff?
No. I mean when you stopped and it was over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 May 05 - 11:46 PM

"Martin"--

Thanks for calling me a goon. That's never happened before.   I had no idea how afraid you are of me. But I assure you (again)--neither Bobert nor I am in every shadow--you don't need to be afraid.

Don't you ever think before you post?   I know you have only a passing acquaintance with English--but why don't you ever look up a word?--after all that one is only 4 letters long--your kind of word.

Sweet dreams (hope you can stay out of the gutter).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Justa Picker
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:10 AM

This friendly diversion brought to you by the following out-take of a current home recording project.
Out-take..because the mic that recorded the acoustics ALSO recorded the sound of the click track leaking
from my dogshit headphones. (Note to self: Invest in noise blocking headphones.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: dianavan
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:31 AM

Justa Picker - That was very sweeeeeeeeet!

You win!

Now if we can just get Bobert and MG to submit a recording, we could settle this dispute.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: heric
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:47 AM

wow! what a refreshing and disarming interlude was that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 05 - 06:58 AM

Yeah, thankee J-Picker, fir yer contribution... It oughta be a good reminder to Martin that he ain't the only person in Mudville who owns a guitar...

I'm not expectin' him to post some of his music and if he did I would be highly suspect that it weren't him...

Meanwhile, being severly compudder challenged, I'll have to do mine live at the Getaway...

You comin', J-Picker?

I'd be real nice to hook up wid ya...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 May 05 - 08:13 AM

Yes, Justa Picker, that was just wonderful. It 's really true that in some situations music beats words hands down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: harpgirl
Date: 19 May 05 - 09:02 AM

SWEEEEEEEETTTTTT!!!!! (JP)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 09:09 AM

yep...real tasty JP ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Alba
Date: 19 May 05 - 09:10 AM

yes indeed....the only word that comes to mind...Sweeeeeeeet.
What a neat way to start the day.
Thanks for that Justa Picker.
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 10:01 AM

Ate yur heart out Chet! So good I listened to it twiced an' a haff.

A nice way to interject something positive into an otherwise negative, debased, pejorative thread.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Tinker
Date: 19 May 05 - 10:03 AM

WOW !!! I got shivers..... thanks Justa Picker that was soul soothing.

tinker


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: M.Ted
Date: 19 May 05 - 10:36 AM

Now they're going to have to move this up to the music threads, JP--

Superb guitar picking to be sure, but the recording really deserves a mention, too--more than a mention, it is cleaner and sweeter than the leading brand, with better balance across the strings than one hears in a lot of the stuff that is not "home recorded"--One thing, though--after a couple quick listens, I tried to play along--couldn't keep up--I think you've got more fingers than I do!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Azizi
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:13 AM

Justa Pickin,

Thanks for that sound clip. I really liked it.

Not that it matters, but I'm curious how you and others would categorize it. It sounds like jazz to me.

[Oops, is that a dirty word here? I meant it as a compliment.]


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:17 AM

So cool, JP. Is it one of your own?

JustaPicker is a truly great picker. Has everyone heard his picking on the various Mudcat Cafe Blue Plate Special CDs? Not to mention his compilations on a whole CD.

Several years ago, I heard a tune called 'Buckdancer's Choice' (Sam McGee) and posted a thread about it asking if anyone knew it. JP answered that he does it. Long story short: Michael sent me a CD chockfull of his picking that just blows me away. And not just picking- he plays other instruments masterfully.

Now if he would only learn to sing. *G* (That's a joke, OK?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:30 AM

ron davies, I really don't have anything to prove to you or anyone here.

I am not nearly as big an egomaniac as you are.

I also think that no but you is truly a bigger prick.

I know that you offend so easy but you love coming back for more. It's not even a question of being in the gutter, which is just a lame excuse that you have for wearing panties.

You see, Ron, your words really mean absolutely nothing to me. You are the absolute worst type of person I would want to associate with, a pompous snob who offends easily and worse yet, knows very little about music. so keep answering me and I will keep telling you to open wide while I continue to shove a big turd down your already halitosis throat.

Ron, when I first came to Mudcat, I realized that it was your type of pigsnout attitude that was the problem here. That is why I just enjoy it so much to watch you squirm when you hear a naughty word. Just like your priest, I am sure you are as phony as they come.

Eat the shit you shit, Ron Davies. Gutters are great for draining rainwater off of roofs and for looking down on pricks like yourself.

you learned how to pick your ass, now learn how to pick a guitar.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 11:47 AM

"Just like your priest, I am sure you are as phony as they come"

Indeed Gibson just like your rabbid rabbi, as phony as you and him comes - not that you have ever come, someone has had it in for you that's for sure - you aint the father of your children


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Steve-o
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:02 PM

Well, as you can all tell, the entertaining animosity of Chicago MG has descended into dipshitness. Thanks, Justa, for reminding us what Mudcat is really supposed to be about. When is the next CD going to be available...please?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST,steve-o
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:23 PM

Spoon feed me some dog-shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bill D
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:43 PM

"... a pompous snob who offends easily and worse yet, knows very little about music...."

LOLOLOL...Ron Davies????? MG, you went off the deep end that time. Ron spends most of his non-working hours deep into more different music than you'll ever see in your lifetime. I have been at his house and PLAYED music with him for many years.

In your search for more insults, you are simply making up idiocy. You really need another hobby.

oh, never mind....you will just invent some nasty way to reply to THIS....


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST,Martin's Dog.
Date: 19 May 05 - 12:56 PM

I wish he would stop dipping my shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:00 PM

Bill D, of course I would expect you to defend Ron Davies.

You fags always stick together. I thought that that two of you spent most of your non-working hours in a circle jerk.

I heard that you weren't much of a player either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:08 PM

Hey guys, isn't enough, enough?

Bill D and RD, please don't stoop to MGs low level of discourse. No one "wins" in this discussion, but too many decent folks may lose peer respect, if that matters.

Thanks


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bill D
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:13 PM

fags? tsk...now that is REALLY funny.

"I heard that you weren't much of a player either"

.... ok, I'm not....but who told? Ron...did you let my deep secret out so MG knows about me? Just for that, you can't borrow my tutu for the gay rights parade!

(I am a fine predictor of MG/troll behavior, though, ain't I?) *grin*


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:17 PM

Ya know when I started this thread I figured it get maybe a half a dozen replies and fall into Max's black hole of boring threads...
My motivation was jus' a little poke at MG and have a little fun an' maybe even lure him down to the Getaway. Okay, I really didn't think he'd come to the Getaway...

It was never intended to become what GUEST labels an "otherwise negative, debased, perjorative thread" and I'm not sure that it quite hit that mark, though perhaps has the potential...

Think I'll jus' leave it at that fir now...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 05 - 01:31 PM

Bo,

When JP posted his music, I thought this might generate a neat guitar pickin' dueling thread of sound files that could become standard fare up above the line in the Music Section. It still could.

Something positive often comes from something negative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 19 May 05 - 02:05 PM

Too bad that more of us don't have the equipment and know-how to post performances like JP did. I don't know, though: He set the bar pretty dern high ~ my playing would certainly suffer by comparison (a little bit, anyway)!

Of course, Justa don't sing, so those of us who can passably self-accompany our own voices wouldn't have to feel that we're in direct competition with him...

Which brings us back to the original subject of this thread: Since when is musicmaking a competitive sport? I mean, some folks can play really well, others hardly a lick, but can you or should you have to "rate" or "rank" one player against another? (Especially when both are reasonably competent?) I realize that various "championships" are held for different intruments and different styles, but the results have to be taken with a grain of salt. I mean, I'm sure that all the "finalists" in a fingerpicking contest are going to be excellent players, but how can I believe that the eventual "champion" is really any better than the player who finished #2?

Now, I know that Bobert was just funnin' with us when he kicked this thing off, and certainly prompted a lot of discussion, some of it interesting, so the concept of a picking contest surely does hold plenty of interest. I just had to express my doubts about such a contest's ultimate validity...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:10 PM

You are damn right that there is no place for this kind of stupid musical competiveness and that is why from the beginning I didn't think it was funny, clever, or wanted to have anything to do with any kind of contest and said so at the beginning.

Now the originator of the thread is backpedaling because of how stupid the orignal concept was and is on what his concept of "just funnin'" is.

the same originator of the thread, in his completely obsessive way, again turned it into a political platform by bringing his political sour grapes into it almost from the beginning, proving once again that he is a moron and a left-wing kook of the most extreme.

I'll tell you this, bobert. I can spot the serious musicians from the wannabees right away. I move as fast as I can away the musicians with your attitude. At the best bluegrass jam, you would be left to yourself, I can guarantee it.

You are typical of the type of person who tap dances and doesn't take any responsibility for his actions. "didn't mean it" or "just funnin" doesn't let you off the hook for being a schmuck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: GUEST,Martin's Dog.
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:23 PM

Martin isn't a picker. He has to get his neighbor to tune his instruments. He's so bad even a tone deaf dog won't sing with him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:26 PM

Just for the record, Bobert is an excellent blues player, singer and arranger. Not to mention, a most interesting fellow whose mind is always active. I'm looking forward to hearing him again this fall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Alba
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:34 PM

I agree Poppagator, in a room full of excellent Musicians it would indeed be difficult to "judge" who excelled...I think that it may then come down to delivery and personality not just Musical ability.
It would be a fun thing to listen too though.
I was kinda hoping that, in an non competitive sense of course, Justa Picker's Music click would inspire some others to do the same.
In the help section someone had already asked if there was ever any thought given to Music Files of People's Music being added to their Profiles...I think that would fascinating and great insight to where People are coming from Musically (for those that wanted to attach a file of course)
Bobert...you are funnin...a lot of people know when you are and when you ain't....it was "fun" for a while but sadly like a lot of Threads these days that start out as fun...this one has taken the inevitable dive from which I think recovery is hopeless.
That's a shame yet again.
Happy Guitar pickin to all.
I'm away to listen to Justa Picker's Clip again:>)

Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: CarolC
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:39 PM

You are typical of the type of person who tap dances and doesn't take any responsibility for his actions.

This statement describes you one hundred percent exactly, person who posts as Martin Gibson.

"didn't mean it" or "just funnin" doesn't let you off the hook for being a schmuck.

And neither does "I don't take any of the internet seriously, it's all just a big joke to me" let you off the hook for being a schmuck. And you are a schmuck.

The fact that you don't see this is proof of the fact that you are a totally self-absorbed, puerile, egomaniacal, crybaby. You take it all very seriously, and you just can't stand it when you don't have complete control of everything that happens around you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:55 PM

Wrong CarolC.

you are always wrong, except for one thing. you hate me because I stick up for Israel and am a Jew. I don't care. I'm glad that I don't have to wake up to a foul smelling wench in a dirty trailer court in alabama like your husband who is your living dildo.

I just think you are a complete and total asshole, whether you are a man or woman, not to mention the biggest anti-semite whore possible.

You bet I take my music seriously, carolC. You are damn right about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: M.Ted
Date: 19 May 05 - 03:55 PM

Martin says, above, that he is 100% fiction--everyone figures he is all put-on--

If you are serious about anything, Martin, you would be about the only one who knows it--so far, everyone is having a good laugh, I hope you are too--


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: CarolC
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:07 PM

I don't hate you, Martoon. I can't hate you. From my perspective, you don't exist. To me, you are nothing but a cartoon.

But you do hate me. And you hate me because I dare to speak the truth that you just don't want to hear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bobert v. Martin Gibson Pickers Duel....
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 May 05 - 04:18 PM

No Carol, you don't speak the truth because you haven't a clue.

You are the one defending yourself to what you call a cartoon. do you also defend yourself from Huckleberry Hound and Yogi Bear and other cartoon characters?

You are out of touch completely with reality, CarolC. You talk and rant and carry on discussions with cartoon characters and people who you say don't exist.

Get out from behind your computer and live life. You've no idea what is reality and what is on your screen.

Mted, I have never said that I am 100% fiction. However, the name Martin Gibson is completely fictious. Most know that it is I who is doing all of the laughing! Or the truthful criticizing of some really fucked up internet people such as yourself.


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