BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:45 PM

GWBush has signed the US on with UNESCO. Reagan pulled us out of that child-killing organization, but Bush renewed our membership.   

And if Bush is taking "liberal" steps like UNESCO membership, why do you people think of him as "conservative?" Because you've been flim flammed. You don't know left from right. Educate yourselves and give up the name-calling. Though it's amusing, it just illustrates the mental void of the name caller.

Bush also created the New Freedom Initiative. Forced mental health testing of all children. Legislation written by the big pharmaceutical companies. The goal is to up the number of children on Dilantin & Prozac, etc. to fifty percent. This is the type of legislation "Democrats" and "liberals" are famous for. So where's the difference between the Dems and Reps on this piece of legislation? Most of the Dems voted for it.

The Party of Death in America is the "two-party system." You have no choice in this system. Both parties want absolute control over you, and now that they think they have it, they are poisoning your children. While you think the problem can be blamed on one "side" or another.

I pity your children, if you have any. Chances are you're a "liberal" if you're reading this, and you've bought into the death-cult zero population growth nonsense, hence you have no children. For the good of the planet or some such absurd reason. Your "educators" hate you and have left you childless. Hopefully YOU won't remain a child for the rest of your life and can awaken to face what's been done to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:57 PM

"Israel, with two national health plans, has the highest doctor/patient ratio in the world."

That's because Israel has lots of Jewish mothers.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM

The Party of Death in America is the "two-party system." You have no choice in this system. Both parties want absolute control over you, and now that they think they have it, they are poisoning your children. While you think the problem can be blamed on one "side" or another.

I can't find anything to argue with here.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:51 PM

This website heading gives a good clue as to what the 'ringworm children' story is about: "Jew Watch - Keeping a Close Watch on Jewish Communities & Organizations Worldwide".

Guest, you have taken a massive dose of poison yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: pdq
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 03:19 PM

"And if Bush is taking 'liberal' steps like UNESCO membership, why do you people think of him as 'conservative?'"


George W. Bush is a pragmatist, not a 'conservative'. He has some conservative leanings but will not 'go for it' as Reagan did. Bush wants to be liked, Reagan was liked. There is a difference.

The president's approval numbers are rather low, based as much on conservatives being dissapointed as it is based on liberals being, well, liberals.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:44 PM

I didn't like Reagan. He was A LIAR AND A PHONY. He was also the reason I left the republican party.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:10 PM

Good riddance. Now you can join the party of flipfloppers.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:16 PM

Kendal, you were a Republican until the 1980's? Does that mean that you supported Nixon but Reagan was just to much for you? Every American is entitled to his opinions and as many epiphanies as he wants but it does leave a question or two, unanswered. How were you able to rationalize your often stated beliefs with the platforms of Nixon, Agnew, Goldwater and Bill Miller? Have you come 'round 180 degrees? Wow, a folksinger with a past.

                  Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:36 PM

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 12:33 AM

...."We're no better than bacteria!" University of Texas biologist Eric Pianka recently announced. "Things are gonna get better after the collapse because we won't be able to decimate the Earth so much," he added. "And, I actually think the world will be much better when there's only 10 or 20% of us left."

Pianka dreamed that disease "will control the scourge of humanity." He celebrated the potential of Ebola Reston, an airborne strain of the killer virus, to make Earth nearly human-free. "We've got airborne 90% mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that."

Just five hours after Pianka's March 3 speech to the Texas Academy of Science, which eyewitness Forrest Mims III covered March 31 in The Citizen Scientist, the Academy named Pianka its 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist. Several hundred scientists gave Pianka a standing ovation, Mimms reported....

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15647

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 12:47 AM

Mouthing off theory is one thing, Guest; but your Mod Squad in the White House has actually caused real, immediate suffering and death to tens of thousands. Blood spilled and tissues torn apart and lives destroyed by the thousands.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 01:46 AM

That's right, Amos, and he could care less. It feeds his ego. He likes it. And we have the bonehead Christian Right to thank for his two terms.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 01:55 AM

GUEST gives us 1996 data. Well GUEST, perhaps you should go check the most recent statistics. Do they tell you anything about the difference between the 1990's and the 2000's? What do you suppose happened?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 02:10 AM

The potential for airborne Ebola is certainly scary, and I don't doubt that some countries are doing their best to develop it as a weapon. But scarier still is someone who proposes the killing off of 90% of any given population--in this case the human race. It is offensive. And sick. And I am not alone in thinking so.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 07:44 AM

Flip floppers, eh? Got any more meaningless phrases?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 07:48 AM

A man was walking his dog, and he saw a small boy by the wayside. He had a box with a sign that said REPUBLICAN KITTENS FOR SALE. Well, he figured the boy's parents were republicans.
A few days later, the same boy had a sign that said DEMOCRAT KITTENS FOR SALE. Of course he asked the boy why the change, and the boy replied, "Because they now have their eyes open."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:26 AM

Population control. "Liberal" idea. Pianka just voices what "liberals" think. If people are so bad for the planet, why don't "liberals" remove themselves from the planet? Because they don't really believe what they claim to believe. Their actions belie their words. They want death for others, but not themselves. Hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:14 AM

Kendal's puppy story is simple but succinct. I hope he did not think I was questioning his sincerity. I, also, think that he could tell us that Republicans do not have horns, nor are they as narrow minded as some of these threads make them out to be. There are Republicans of great character and integrity, some of whom hold public office. There are scalawags, galore, in the GOP but so are there among the Democrats. I'm sure that I don't have to list the countless Democratic lawmakers and governors who held the line for segregation.
Ours is not a parliementry system so party affiliation doesn't mean very much. In the big cities, one was either a Democrat or one was virtually disenfranchised. I am sure that in other ares the same was true for Republicans. This is just another reason why we can not depend on our traditional parties to represent us. Once upon a time, when unions had some political clout, the Democrats leaned toward labor but not so much any more. It is well past time for liberals to climb out from under their beds and demand and support candidates who represent their views. You had your chance with Nader but the talking heads scared you into voting for their faceless candidate du jour.

                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 11:54 AM

Pianka's not a liberal. He's a Texan.

His speach reminds me of things I've heard being attributed to Globalists and One World Government advocates... kill off 90 percent of humanity and leave the world to the political and business elites (with the help of the UN).

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 12:02 PM

Population control. "Liberal" idea. Pianka just voices what "liberals" think. If people are so bad for the planet, why don't "liberals" remove themselves from the planet? Because they don't really believe what they claim to believe. Their actions belie their words. They want death for others, but not themselves. Hypocrites.

Anyone who would associate such ideas with "liberal" could only be an America self styled "Conservative". Everyone else on earth who speaks the language, is at least smart enough to understand plain english in a dictionary.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 12:39 PM

Yes. That is how turned around the terms have become in America. Left is right and right is left. And that's how the controllers want it. That's why Americans don't know where to focus their energies in fighting the govt that is growing exponentially. GWBush has tripled the size of govt and spent more money than all presidents before him combined. He spends "liberally" yet Americans persist in thinking of him as "conservative." The old "liberal" agenda of the Democrats has been destroyed. Clinton stabbed the unions in the back by signing the illegal NAFTA trade agreement, and things have gone downhill since then. Democrats didn't have the guts to hold Clinton accountable, just as Republicans don't have the guts to hold Bush accountable for selling out their interests now. That's how bass ackwards popular American political thinking has become.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 09:14 AM

Flip floppers is a democratic phrase. Or at lease some of them say it is but others do not agree all of the time, just some times.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 09:16 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Naemanson
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 09:47 AM

You know, when someone spouts such gibberish it really throws the whole idea of an educated voter into sharp relief. Sigh, an education really doesn't hurt you, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 12:36 PM

The GOP is being run by bossy white men who think they know everything. No humility there. They are fanatical religious leaders, CEO's, punishing authoritative figures who are sending this economy down the tubes. They only know how to rule with an iron hand or as Jack London would say, "Iron Heel".

Their answer to the world's problems is to shoot them away in Iraq, Iran or anywhere else as it serves their Dominionist designs.

What the Dems need to do is not go along with their war-mongering. Go back to the nurturing principles of FDR, help the country, raise the minimum wage, revive the Wagner Act, support legal Mexican workers, arrest the criminal corporations who hire illegals (stop blaming poor Mexicans). fix our infrastructure (falling bridges etc.) curtail the ambitions of Walmart destruction of our cities, stop supporting bloodshed in the mid-east, investigate fraud in our election process,get out of Iraq before the civil war there becomes a WWIII, stop killing the Iraqi people, arresting "enemy combatants" who are innocent,

stop the Bush from spying on us, and outing CIA operatives,
(impeachable offense), and keep the GOP from destroying government protection agencies,and their use of race-baiting and homophobia to win elections, disenfranchising poor people and minorities from voting through fraud and intimidation, stealing from the poor to give to the rich and attempting to suppress free speech.


There is no death tax. That's a lie. GOP's are cutting and running from responsibility.

Dems need to stand up and not run like Hillary.

BTW Joe Lieberman=Zell Miller.

Well, I guess you know where I stand.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 12:58 PM

AMEN!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 04:19 PM

We would all like to thank Mr. Hamilton for letting us know where he stands on the issues. I had been operating on the mistaken impression that he was a moderate Republican but, now, I have seen the light. Mr. Firth has, similarly, taken a brave stand by endorsing Mr. Hamilton's views, thus, saving us the trouble of mislabeling him. It does my heart good to know that these gentlemen are fixed points in a changing world as true to their principles as they are unmoved by the concept of shading.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 04:30 PM

Yes, Mike. Still, I think we need to hear from the chimp lobby on this. Chimps don't get heard nearly enough in the political arena.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 05:48 PM

Condaleeza is a bossy white man? I need to do a rethink.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 06:04 PM

Mr. Miller, you rage and storm a lot here, and seem to be ladling out a lot of sarcasm, but just exactly what did you do in the last presidential election? And what are you doing for the coming mid-term election?

Nader may have been you favorite candidate, but he wasn't mine. Nor was he the favorite candidate of a lot of progressives. Unfortunately—very unfortunately—my favorite candidate got eliminated early on, so I worked for and voted for the candidate that I thought had the best chance of winning against Bush, even though I had to hold my nose to do it. Kerry would have been one helluva lot better than Bush, despite what some disenchanted progressives keep whining. Not great, but sufficiently better that we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

You seem to consider that reprehensible and blame people like me for Nader's defeat. But if you examine the stats from the last presidential election, it should be patently obvious to you that Nader never had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Granted, if I, and millions of others, had voted for him, he would have won. And if hippos could grow big enough wings, they could fly.

And frankly, I don't think Nader could have handled the job.

There is a lot of pissing and moaning that the Democratic Party is no better than the Republican Party. I disagree. It's not much better, but it is better. And it could be even better still if people such as you would get off your high horse, get into the party, and argue like hell for your position. Get in there and yell your head off! Like it or not (and I personally don't, but that's the way it is!), this country has a two-party system. It's extremely rare when a third party even comes close to getting a candidate elected. It's a lousy system and I can think of much better ways to go about it, but unfortunately that's what we're stuck with right now and if we're going to accomplish anything worthwhile—and maybe even change the system itself—it's the system we have to work with right now.

Your divisive attitude is the kind that keeps liberals and progressives from being able to put their petty differences aside and work together on the major issues. The Republicans figured that out a couple of decades ago, and that's why they're in power today.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 06:48 PM

Condaleeza is far worse than a bossy white man- she's been allowed bny the NeoCon BuShite power structure to play with the big boys and has to be twice as looney as they are to prove she's one of 'em.

That's why she's so good and thorough at oppressing minorities around the world as a matter of U.S. foreign policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:16 PM

I thank Don Firth for referring to me as Mr. Miller. For a minute, there, I feared I had lost his respect. I do not begrudge him his propensity for name calling. He is entitled to his anger. After all, he has not had a political victory for his progressive position for longer than Philadelphia has had a sports championship. My "devisive" suggestion du jour is that the left reexamine its position and its sales strategy. It is just possible that showing utter disrespect for those who disagree with you is not the best way to change their minds. Reasonable people can respond to reasonable opinion.

                   Mr. Mike Miller

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 10:32 PM

That, Mr. Miller, was precisely my point.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 10:50 PM

showing utter disrespect for those who disagree with you

Ya mean sorta like the BuShites calling anyone who disagrees with them traitors, terrorist sympathizers, an enemies of Amerika??

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 01:43 AM

Why, yes, Greg, that's exactly what I meant. That, and calling Republicans murderers, racists and fools. Blind prejudice is not confined to the right. Let's face it, the left has failed to frighten the conservatives by insulting them and, more succinctly, angry invective has not moved the great centerist majority. It just turns them off. Spouting off may cleanse your soul but so will a decent laxative. The key to communication is respect and that means respecting people with whom you disagree. I think you will find that people can agree on some things and disagree on others. I, for instance, am not anti-war but I oppose the Iraqi War because it is foolish, unproductive and unwinnable. So, I voted for the only candidate who said he would pull out of Iraq and, no, it sure wasn't Kerry. (I understood that the difference between a Bush administration and a Kerry administration would be a hell of a lot less than you guys were hoping for. I would have voted for a Howard Dean but you know that the Democrats would never nominate anyone with a real agenda.)


                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 08:35 AM

The REAL reason Dean wasn't chosen to run was, he came across as a nut case.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:35 AM

If Dean was a "nut case", he was a "nut case" with a progressive agenda. I suppose that the mainstream media would have labeled any politician who favored a national health plan and an ability to admit error. I am old enough to remember the hatchet job that was done on the few senators who owned up to being tragically mistaken about Vietnam.
Yessiree, Dean was too emotional to be taken seriously, Kendal. Tell me, how did you like the cool, calm, collected candidates we got? If we continue voting for these stick figures that the parties offer, we deserve whatever we get, and that includes every Bush on the lawn.
I, for one, do not choose to waste my vote on the lesser of two lessers.

                  Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:36 AM

spouting off may cleanse your soul but so will a decent laxative.

I hate to be the one to tell you, but that's not your soul. Probably your sigmoid colon or somp'n.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:57 AM

After the polarised and near tied, and some would say 'stolen', last two elections, there is no "the great centerist majority".

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 12:31 PM

I think you're absolutely right, Mike. Both of those big parties will only pick a compliant "stick man" as you put it...someone who will back the latest war that their backers want. Any politician who breaks ranks and actually proposes real change in a positive direction (meaning opting for peace instead of unwinnable wars) does not have a hope in hell of getting elected in the USA. It's a fixed system from the word "go".

Kerry would have been just another servant of the big $ySStem that picks presidential candidates and puts them into office. He'd be in Iraq now, and he be mouthing the usual macho phrases, like, "This is not the time to cut and run...", "I will not abandon the Iraqi people in their hour of need..." (Oh, the nausea...!)

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 12:34 PM

Mike, the problem is,during the campaign, Dean came acreoss as a nut, and Kerry Came across as a war hero. No contest.By the way, I made a contribution to Dean, but that was before that outburst that made him look less than presidental.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 01:20 PM

A wonderful video of Bush:

Jogging 5 paces in front of a jogging US marine who has recieved two artificial legs due to his service in Iraq.


At the St. Petersburg meetings I can see that Bush has the "deer in the headlights look" back in his eyes. He is scared, out of his depth and feels alone without a prompter.
Of course Rice has had a calming influence by invoking the APOCOLYPSE when she said "these events in the middle east are not the apocolypse..."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 01:26 PM

Condoleeza will never look like a deer in the headlights. She's much too calm, cool, and collected for that. She looks more like a cobra in the headlights. Ready to strike.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 01:30 PM

As I mentioned on another thread, what is needed is a grassroots movement to get legislation passed in every state (every state that doesn't currently have it) to make vote counting proportional.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:13 PM

Or preferential voting, where you rank the candidates in order of your preference. That way, you can go ahead and vote for a minority party candidate that you prefer, but figure has only a very slim chance, and if, indeed, that person doesn't get enough votes, your vote moves on to the candidate you've ranked as your second choice, and so on. That way, you don't have to feel that voting for someone who reflects you beliefs but stands little chance will waste your vote.

Last time around, I could have voted for Cobb as #1, Nader as #2, and Kerry as #3. Actually, I preferred Kucinich and voted for him in my neighborhood caucus, but he didn't make the ticket.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Tom Fenner
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:14 PM

Kerry killed his Hero statice when he refused to release his Military records. For a public figure to do that, it gives the impression that he has something to hide, and in politics, perception trumps everything. Kerry may well be the hero he tries to project, but people will always wonder what he has to hide.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:33 PM

I could care less what a candidate has to hide about anything except who is paying for his campaign. FDR was a haughty adulterer, JFK was an insatiable adulterer, Clinton was a tasteless adulterer.
They were also, among the most progressive presidents we have had. You think that Dean went on a rage? You should have seen Truman take on a music critic who panned Margaret's singing. It was the saltiest language from the oval office until the Nixon tapes were released. Any politician who has the guts to stand up to the AMA/Insurance/Drug complex has my respect and my support. Any politician who is willing to risk the charge of weakness and lack of patriotism to end an unwinnable war has my support. I dont care if he wears his underwear on the outside.
The real reason that a third party candidate can't win is that so many people who might support a third party are convinced that their votes would be wasted. Who, do you think, is doing the convincing?
Aren't you all sick and tired of throwing away your votes on candidates who do not stand for what you stand for? Little Hawk has it right. If Kerry had won the election, we would be seeing the same threads and the same complaints. Then, who could we blame?

                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:35 PM

Preferential voting seems like a very good idea as well.

But I think that any movement that would seek to get preferential voting or proportional voting established in all states should definitely not be tied to or associated with any other issues, or any particular political philosophies. It won't work unless it can serve all voters regardless of their issues or political philosophies.

It's about process rather than interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:38 PM

"You should have seen Truman take on a music critic who panned Margaret's singing."

I believe he said words to the effect: "I'll punch the sonuvabitch in the nose."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 05:21 PM

I figure that most of them swore like troopers off the record. Nixon's error was that he taped it all.