BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Crowhugger
Date: 16 Oct 10 - 08:48 PM

Greg F,
I see the emotion in your post, dare I say negative emotion, so I "get" that you feel strongly about this "seeing-eye horse." What I don't see is your description of what's actually wrong about it. The article at the URL you gave reports no incidents with this horse, it does the job that's needed, and meets the cultural needs of the client. It's about the same size as a Standard Poodle might be--I say that based on the article's statement that the miniature horse is 2.5 ft tall; while they don't specify whether total height or at the withers, according to the photo I'll guess they're saying total height unless the client is verrry tall. Yes, it's unusual and unexpected, but I wouldn't have expected those to be reasons to outlaw it.

If you would clarify for me what you find wrong with a miniature horse in this role. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 09:04 AM

"This Horse" is only one instance of many, and I have no problem with him (or her) personally - unless, of course, I have to share a bus with him, or he trods on my foot.

Or share a restaurant with a "emotional support" monkey/pig/full sized horse/crocodile/rat, etc.

The problem is not the concept, but the implementation; I see nothing wrong with so-called "service animals" if indeed they ARE service animals- but their humans should be required to show proof that they are same. ALSO, there is nothing in the legislatin as written to prevent a store owner from having to take a person's word that the African elephant they are bringing into his establishment is a "service elephant".

Next tiome a cop pulls you over and asks for your license & registration just tell him that oh, yess, you have 'em - & see if he takes your word for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Crowhugger
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 11:14 AM

Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 01:56 PM

...it's not the dog, it's the owner...responsible owners...blah blah...dogs who foul up the churchyard must come from the council estate, where those sort of people live...blah blah.
How often have I heard this crap.
My cat was torn to pieces by a dog who had escaped from its responsible owner, a non council estate headmaster. We put up some notices in the village with a photo of this well known cat and a warning to other cat owners that this dog was on the loose. Two damn bully boy cops arrived to take down the notices (how brave!) and threaten me with arrest. What if a child had witnessed the attack; what if a child had been attacked. The police didn't want to know.
...it's not the gun, it's the owner...responsible owners; I'm one of those so why can't I own a gun. They do less damage than dogs. So do drugs.
Tearing cats to pieces is only a small part of the story. And apart from attacking, killing, injuring and mutilating humans (much of which goes unreported), think what else they do: spread filth, disease (including blindness), cause road traffic accidents, destroy livestock, noise pollution.
Shoot the lot; no wonder I can't get a firearms certificate.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 05:43 PM

Hey, Doc - where was this cat of yours when when it was torn to pieces? Was it running loose, spreading filth, disease, and murderiong innofensive small furries?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:23 PM

You crop up, MG, ranting about sex and provocative dress, and animals, and the list goes on and on. Should you seek help about your phobias?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 07:49 PM

You will never know the answer because that is the last post of yours that I will ever read. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Slag
Date: 17 Oct 10 - 08:12 PM

I believe, in California, a dog is considered property and a cat is not. That is to say, the owner of a dog is responsible for any damages his pet may cause. A cat belongs to whoever's property is is on at the time. If a cat shreds your car's upholstery, too bad. You should have taken better care of YOUR cat, while it was yours. The other side to this is that you may trap a cat and take it to the pound. If it is tagged or chipped it may be returned to the "owner", if not...

Oh, and good luck getting Animal Control to respond to your complaints in most places.

It is relatively easy to train a single dog. You're it's pack and that's it. If you have two dogs the task can be ten times more difficult because the two little buggers have more in common with each other than you and TWO MAKES a PACK, baby! I've done both. With the two one was always a mischief maker and the leader of the revolution! How to handle it? Divide and conquer and refresher lessons.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 06:37 AM

There is a saying in the UK that dogs have owners and cats have staff. By the way I have had a razor sharp swipe from a cat my family had when I was younger and I still have a faint scar from the attack now. But I expect I deserved it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 06:54 AM

Perhaps the wrong thread (as usual Willie) to relate that I have just (yesterday) brought home a rescued greyhound. Only two months ago, he was out of trap 3.   A couple of months with a rescue centre, neutered, wormed and de fleaed.. He is now part of our family.

I used to have dogs years ago, but my responsible adult appears to be allergic to most breeds, though short haired dogs such as greyhounds are not an issue.

Dangerous? Well, he is a sighthound so no letting him off without a muzzle, not for humans but in terms of chasing small furry creatures, (rabbits, cats, small dogs.) Not rocket science, just accepting the breeding instinct and the fact that as a racer, he was used to a muzzle, (probably feels naked outside without it.)

We have half an acre of rear gardens, lots of footpaths locally and a large house. (After yesterday, we no longer have use of an aga due to a huge ruddy dog laying in the way...)

The psychology of dogs is not rocket science. gentle but firm to ensure they do not see themselves as top dog and they won't bite someone till they see you do it first. Granted, greyhounds are of the watch dog variety. They watch a burglar take everything and wonder if the burglar might just give them a biscuit before they leave. Saves standing up to get it himself apparently.

I used to have a mongrel bitch who was a bitch in other ways. She needed a responsible owner and had one, so no harm done. had I been an irresponsible owner, the dog would have been perceived as a problem. Proof that owners not dogs need training (vetted even) first. You wouldn't accept a child being fostered by feral scum, so why should society allow them to foster a living breathing pet?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 08:14 AM

That is great a great thing to do, good luck with the rescued greyhound.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: Crowhugger
Date: 18 Oct 10 - 02:26 PM

Wrong thread? Not considering that you've chosen to make safe your dog's danger to small furry or feathered creatures...you woke up to that need early in your dog ownership life. Perfect fit.

There's a greyhound rescuer I see often at one of the local off-leash parks. One of my pack can almost keep up with them and she has a wonderful time trying! They (the greyhounds) tire more quickly than she, which occurrence is when she catches up and overtakes them, though not for long, just till she tuckers out too. Then they all regroup and do it again. And again... Well now it's my posting that's unrelated to the thread topic.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangerous Dogs ... Time to wake up ...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 11:05 AM

I've had a number of dogs wander through my life: Collies, Cocker Spaniels, German Shepherds, Labs, Sooners (they are mutts who'd sooner piss on the floor than go outside). Only had one that ever growled in a threatening manner--was a dog in north Alberta. He made the mistake of growling at one of my children. (The child wasn't bothering the dog.) Anyway, I went to the cupboard, took out the .22, got some ammo from another cupboard, got the bolt from yet another cupboard--maybe drawer--and called the dog for a trip to the dump. A neighbour asked where I was going.

"The dump."

She said, "My dad would love to have a small dog."

"She's yours, but if I see her wandering loose around here she's meat." I understand the dog had a good life thereafter.

I had one dog bite me and I killed it. With certain exceptions I would do that to any dog that bit me or threatened my kids. Maybe this post ain't PC, but it's the way it is in my little piece of the universe.