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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 01 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM Villain and Strolling Johnny - envy you both!!!!! Donna and Endless Sleep were the two 'piece de resistance(s).....!' from my perspective......loved that man!! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Capn Birdseye Date: 10 Apr 07 - 12:10 PM I'd say Johnny Kidd & The Pirates "Shakin' All Over" was the first great British rock n roll record. Tommy was destined to become "an all-round entertainer", Cliff soon turned to insipid songs & films, Adam was never a serious rock star (his "Lonley pup in a Christmas shop" just about sums it up!), and Marty just did American covers. For my money, Vince Eager & Dickie Pride were good but never quite made it, the latter dying young. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 10 Apr 07 - 12:12 PM I won't argue about 'Shakin' All Over' Cap'n. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rasener Date: 10 Apr 07 - 12:43 PM Roll on tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 10 Apr 07 - 03:41 PM Cliff Bennett - who has been mentioned a few times - was the only pre-Beatles UK rock singer that I thought could rival the Americans. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 10 Apr 07 - 10:38 PM Cliff Bennett's version of Out of Time was wonderful. And yes to Johnny Kidd and the Pirates 'Shaking all over' being one of the best songs.....I called up our local golden oldies station once and asked for it to be played -- they only had the American version by ? (can't remember) but the host didn't seem to have heard of Johnny Kidd and the Pirates......poor man didn't know what he was missing..... |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:02 AM Ian Dury "Sweet Gene Vincent" fuckin genius classic '45' !!!!!!!!!!! .. yeah !!!! ..and there was Shakey from Wales with amazing guitarists in his backing bands.. ..so the 70's weren't that bad for Brit rock 'n' roll..!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: fat B****rd Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:14 AM PEDANT ALERT !! Chris Farlowe (another skiffler)did "Out Of Time" I'll get me anorak. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rasener Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:40 AM LOL I think I will go and watch Marty Wilde tonight. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Capn Birdseye Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:07 AM I used to see Cliff Bennett & The Rebel Rousers at Burtons club, Uxbridge, in the early 1960's, they were a very under-rated group - Cliff had a great voice. Around the same time other regulars at Burtons were Brian Poole & The Tremeloes and Tony Rivers & The Castaways, not a patch on Cliff and the boys! Can't agree with "The Villan" (his posting 31st March) about Marty Wilde. He said that he preferred Marty's cover versions to the original American records - I thought the exact opposite, Marty was a Brit "trying" to be a yank and unfortunately not doing it well. It was pity his management put him on this path instead of finding some decent original material for him, they did him no favours! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:42 AM Well I'll tell you tomorrow what he was like tonight (if you know what I mean!). And I'm a hard man to please! (Ask Villan - he knows me well on that score!). |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Capn Birdseye Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:57 AM Scrump,you mentioned Klook's Kleek,which just made me think of The Macabre.Anybody go there? And the Witches Cauldron.Anyone? - posted by David Carter 20 Feb. .................................... Le Macabre - Do you mean the coffee house in Meard Street, Soho that had coffins as tables and skeletons on the walls - if so, went there many times to drink frothy coffee out of small see-through plastic shallow cups. ..................................... Link to the man who wrote "Move It" http://iansamwell.com/chapter1b.html ...................................... There was a club in Windsor that I was explicity forbidden to attend, therefore of course it was one of my favorite haunts...But the name escapes me. - posted by Trubrit 20 Feb. ...................................... You mean the famous Ricky Tick club! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:31 PM Oops -- I was thinking Chris Farlowe but typing Chris Bennett -- either way, a bloody good version of that song, and I agree that Cliff Bennett and the Rabble Rousers were quite underrated.....God it is getting bad when I can't remember the right names.....old age can be a bitch. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rasener Date: 12 Apr 07 - 02:00 AM >>And I'm a hard man to please! (Ask Villan - he knows me well on that score!). << He sure is, so a report from Strollin' will be honest. From my point of view, I enjoyed the evening very much. The songs were varied, and Marty covered a wide range of songs from the Rock & Roll era including Billy Fury/ Cliff Richard etc. The Wildcats backed Marty well. Marty did some songs with his daughter Roxanne (the youngest one). They were very good. Jet Harris was a surprise guest and he did a few numbers with the wildcats and I enjoyed that. My honest opinion is it was well worth seeing. Capn Birdseye - we just have to beg to differ :-) |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:14 AM Joe Brown, the best guitarist of that bunch- if not the best singer- is on tour again. We're going to see him in Camberley next month, always does a good show. RtS |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 12 Apr 07 - 12:03 PM Marty was good - in fact great in view of his age (68). He did a range of songs, some his own but many by other performers, and made a very good job of most, if not all. Sad to say that Jet was not so good, the years have taken their toll and his playing was very hesitant. Roxanne Wilde is a real cutie, and proved to be a very capable singer - esp. in the duet 'Something Stupid' with dad. Not my favourite song but very well done, and lovely to see the glances and smiles of love and encouragement between proud dad and daughter. The Wildcats were just OK. Needed to be tighter, but a reasonably competent display. The audience was, as expected, 60-plus ladies who wished they were 18 again. There was a distinct smell of oestrogen in the air! :-) :-) |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rasener Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:32 PM LMAO Strollin' |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 12 Apr 07 - 10:33 PM Sounds like a wonderful evening......I saw the Everly brothers in Southampton some 12 years ago -- similarly composede audience I think!!!!!!!! Joe 'A picture of you' Brown -- always one of my favorites......hope he and Marty and the others are still around in about 8 years time -- I plan to live half the year in the US and half in the UK about then........ |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 13 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM Yep, Joe's another great Yellowbelly. His 'On A Day Like This' is one of my favourite albums. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: fat B****rd Date: 13 Apr 07 - 02:34 PM Right there, Strollin'. I believe he was born in or near Grantham. (one or the other). He mentioned last time I saw him at Darlington that HIS family moved to London DURING the Blitz. I've liked him since "The Darktown Strutters Ball" |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rasener Date: 13 Apr 07 - 03:45 PM I'llbe down to get you in rod car?honey :-) I have to laugh. I told my twin brother who lives in paignton about the Marty Wilde show and told him to get tickets for April the 20th becuase he is on at Torquay. So he booked 2 tickets for him and his wife on the Internet without his wife knowing. Anyway, I got an e-mail tonight from his wife saying - what am I going to do now. You told him to book tickets and I saw the e-mail confirming the booking when it was too late. I have already got tickets and he doesn't know - it was going to be a surprise. What a hoot :-) |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Janet Thresher Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:11 PM I saw Vince Eager for the first time in 40 years at the 100 Club in January. He's still got it and what a voice. By far the best on the show. He's packing a bit of weight these days but he's looking well for a 67 year old. Great band as well. I think theyr'e his kids. I think he's also a Yellow Belly. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 23 Apr 07 - 09:37 AM Just in case anyone was going to see Joe Brown at Camberley in May- the Monday concert (7th ) has been cancelled -the Sunday 6th May is still on- just changed my tickets. RtS |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 23 Apr 07 - 03:27 PM I saw Vince Eager when he was supporting Jerry lee Lewis in a show back in 1962. I remember him striding on to the stage looking tall and handsome. I also recall that he got a great reponse from the girls in the audience. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 24 Apr 07 - 12:11 AM Yep, that's a Yellowbelly for yer! And I'll get exactly the same reaction when I stride on stage looking tall and handsome at Faldingworth Live in a couple of weeks. And no doubt the ladies will be slinging their Damart knickers at me.....................LOL! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST Date: 24 Apr 07 - 02:12 AM Us lads always made a point of going to our local nightclub when Jess Conrads was on. Shite singer, but oh how the women flocked in! Never did us any good of course. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,blindlemonsteve Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:54 AM I have just got hold of a copy of "The Sound Of Fury", without a doubt the greatest and the first real british rock n roll album. I suggest you all get on ebay and buy a copy, you wont be dissapointed.... I went to see Joe Brown a few years ago, i felt sorry for him, here was a truly great guitar player with an exceptional talent, his talents were even admired by the greatest rock n roll star who ever lived "EDDIE COCHRAN". and he was playing daft songs to blue rinsed old ladies, who remember him when he was younger. i would say his talent went over the heads of nearly everyone in the audience. he should be up there with the Clapton and Paige as inspirational guitar players.....Just my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Capn Birdseye Date: 27 Apr 07 - 02:50 PM Anyone know what happened to Buddy Britten & The Regents? They did a great version of "If you gotta make a fool of somebody", a song that Freddie & The Dreamers made a hit. Reference was made to Jess Conrad, a good looking guy but in my opinion a hopeless singer - his record "This Pullover" sums him up - it made Kenny Everetts Worlds Worst Records LP. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Janet Thresher Date: 28 Apr 07 - 04:25 AM Buddy Britten was on at the 100 club with Vince Eager and Wee Willie Harris. He was OK but didn't rock my socks. Someone told me he lives in Jersey. Terry Wayne was also on. He looked fantastic for being in his late 60's. I understand he had cancer of the throat recently which may have accounted for his husky voice. But I really enjoyed him. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Capn Birdseye Date: 28 Apr 07 - 12:45 PM Janet, when you say you saw Vince Eager, Wee Willie Harris & Buddy Britten at the 100 Club, when was this? |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Janet Thresher Date: 30 Apr 07 - 04:37 PM They were there in late January. It was a show celbrating 50 years since the 2 i's Coffee Bar opened. I understand they all started their careers there. It was a great night. Started about 5.00pm and went on until 11.00pm. I hope they do it again. It was a fab night with lots of happy memories. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Hanz Donnar Date: 14 May 07 - 03:23 AM Vince Eager I watched in the Eddie Cochran chippenham in England 2004. He und Charli Gracie the best on the show. Little Richard was disapointed. When can Vince und Charli come to Germany. Thank you Hanz |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,old farty Date: 17 May 07 - 06:02 PM Just discovered this conversation. So I will add my thoughts. Yes I agree that Move It and Shakin All Over both definitive British and probably best R & R records made in UK. But I must point out that no matter whether you think Tommy Steel's records were weak, he was still the first to play R & R in Britain. I personally think his version of Singing the blues was better than Guy Mitchell's, but I don't want to argue the point. He wrote a couple of nice songs as well, although not R & R. Some facts I think are true :- Joe Brown was the guitarist used for Sounds of Fury. Big Jim Sullivan was the lead in Marty Wildes Wildcats, although Uncle Bert did the Duane Eddy bit on Endless Sleep. Didn't Mike Pratt and Lionel Bart write Rock With The Cavemen. As a last thought Helen Shapiro's Walking Back To Happiness is always the one mentioned, but I always thought You Don't Know was a far superior record, but still not R & R. I'll get my cocoa now. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 17 May 07 - 10:28 PM Agreeed on Helen Shapiro -- You don't know me was excllent. Is she still in the world of entertainment .... anyone know? |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,old farty Date: 19 May 07 - 03:08 AM She is an evangalist now. I saw her at a local church, and she belts out Gospel songs. Although I am not interested in religion I have to admit she certainly had a powerful voice. I think she still does a bit of jazz singing. Glad you agree with "You Don't Know" I thought I was alone on that one. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 19 May 07 - 02:35 PM Thanks so much for following up......she certainly had a voice to her.......I saw her in Slough at the Adelphi (naturally) when she headed a bill including Dave Berry (remember the Crying Game).... and - I think - The Swinging Blue Jeans. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Big Al Whittle Date: 19 May 07 - 02:50 PM I really like Thin Lizzy's music. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Jim Lad Date: 19 May 07 - 02:51 PM Away ya daft bugger! |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Old Farty Date: 02 Jun 07 - 05:04 AM Jim Lad don't be too hard on the lad. Phil Lynnot (?? I think that's right) was a devil of a bass player. as in previous discussion on Tommy Steele, lets recognise that people come and go in music, and put in their contribution. Obviously I am not including in this arguement Fabian, The Birdy Song or Gangster Rap. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Capn Birdseye Date: 03 Jun 07 - 09:41 AM Re: Helen Shapiro. My sister who was working at St Thomas' Hospital near Waterloo, London got me a signed photo from her, she does a lot of charity support work that largely goes unnoticed. I agree with others on "You Don't Know". Anyone heard of the Chris Fender Black non-stop rock n roll tribute show - fantastic! Great tributes to Brenda Lee (Mel Vincent), Eddie Cochran (Lee Mason), Chuck Berry (Chris Black), Duane Eddy (Chris Fender Black), Ray Charles (Marshall Chapman), Connie Francis (Julie Paris), Buddy Holly (Mason Lee), Jerry Lee Lewis (Jerry Marshall), & Bill Haley (Lee Mason). |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,old farty Date: 10 Jun 07 - 05:42 AM You all have extremely good taste. I have just found out "You Don't Know" was Helen Shapiro's favourite, although she still has to trot out "Walking Back To Happiness".Not heard of the Chris Fender thing, I'll look them up. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Jun 07 - 04:55 PM Do you remember a rockabilly group called The Preachers with Darren something on lead. He could play like Scotty Moore . there is a rockabilly circuit in England and I hear he's with another group. Its pretty stunning music. I don't know any of the songs they sing, but the audience do. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Juanita Date: 15 Jun 07 - 09:40 PM I remember the Witches Cauldron well. It was in the basement of Conrad's something or other. 1965. There was a group that played there regularly with a girl singer. They made an record or maybe an album. There was a wonderful harmonica player that sometimes played there. The name of the drummer was Gerry and I thought one of the guitarists was named Carmichael. The group once played for intermission for the Yardbirds and/or The Who (trying hard to remember here...) I remember a black man named Ram John who sang a song called "Big Bamboo", lol. Can someone help with names here? |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 15 Jun 07 - 10:35 PM if some of you old lost Teds and Rockers need a good time haven of golden vintage memories and friendly club nights out and weekenders.. check out http://billyfury.com/phpBB2/ |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Juanita from US Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:00 AM It was Conrad's Bistro. I was madly in love with Brian. I think his name was Brian Padfield. He whisked me around from club to club (some all nighters) for some months. There was a club in Hampstead called the Moulin Rouge. I don't know about friendly, but crazy it was for sure. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:21 AM Ram John Holder? And anyone remember Emile Ford & the Checkmates? RtS |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Rog Peek Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:29 AM Yea, I do. 'Wha'dya Wanna Make Those Eyes At Me For' and 'Slow Boat to China' |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: Dave Roberts Date: 24 Jun 07 - 04:30 AM I've just come across this thread, and was interested to read the comments about Mike 'Come Outside'Sarne. I recently found out that the successful and distinguished film director Michael Sarne is one and the same person. Odd, really. I had seen references to 'Michael Sarne the film director' before and vaguely noted the similarity in the name but never thought that it might be the same person. I don't know why, as he has always been an actor and moved in film and TV circles. Incidentally,he also had minor hits with 'Will I Wot?' featuring (I think) Billie Davis on Wendy Richard duties (perhaps Wendy was not available?) and the excellent 'Just For Kicks', a song about ton-up boys having 'burn ups' on their bikes. Apologies if all this has been mentioned before. |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: TRUBRIT Date: 24 Jun 07 - 05:27 PM I have heard Come Outside and Will I Wot -- but never Just for Kicks.........it is interesting to know what he is currently doing..... |
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Subject: RE: British Rock n Roll From: GUEST,Juanita from US Date: 24 Jun 07 - 06:50 PM Ram John Holder it is! I just checked out his bio here: http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/536168/index.html. I dated him for awhile. I never knew he went on to be rather famous! Our friendship was around 1965-66. He had a twin brother that came over that I didn't know of. He was surprised when I approached him in a rather intimate manner! Ram John was a terribly nice and sweet human being. Still is, no doubt. Thanks for that memory! |
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