BS: Why closed threads?

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 07:14 PM

If you're all so bright, maybe you can answer the question: "Why closed threads?"...No blaming, no name calling, no biases, just answer the question....don't spin it..just be honest.

....talking about 'trolls' diverting the thread...Jeez!

Still smiling and calm,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:02 PM

""If I had a hammer
I'd hammer in the morning
I'd hammer in the evening
All over this land
I'd hammer out danger
I'd hammer out a warning
I'd hammer out love between my brothers and my sisters
All over this land""

When all you have is a hammer Gone from Sanatorium, every problem looks like a nail.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: number 6
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:03 PM

all right !! .... Gimme Shelter

biLL ..;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: number 6
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:07 PM

whew !

That video

Man o man .... things haven't changed much in history and even here at the 'ol madcat.


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:07 PM

Why closed threads? Like I said before, why not? It is the business of no one but Max. So why not? Go and play and catch butterflies or cockroaches or whatever. If you lose a post or a thread......so what? Now if Max came to your house and told you to shut the fuck up, then you could bitch! This is a website. Enjoy!   Or not.......


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 08:10 PM

I'll limit myself to pointing out that if Max wanted to, he could block anyone, guest or member, from posting from any computer, no matter how many identities they create here.

Since he's not doing that, he must not want to, and he owes nobody an explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:33 AM

Who's bitching?? The question was 'Why?'...that's all. Should it be all this ducking and weaving?
'Why' when something gets near resolving..but maybe not consistent with the per-conceived notions...slam! Why?..it doesn't need to. I'm surprise how long this one has stayed open, considering all the deleted posts....which is neither 'right' nor 'left'...just dealing with the human condition. dealing with love, verses co-coercion...and why should 'love' be a threat???
Makes ya' wanna' wonder what the 'real' gig is, huh?

Oh well, at least you have an idea that there is a game being played...and being honest is being feared.
Sounds like a spooky deal in 'upfront'.
That is so disappointing.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 01:09 AM

Guest from Sanity, if you don't even have the ambition to actually JOIN Mudcat, why are you standing here bellowing at the top of your lungs? You're not a member, no one can speak quietly and privately to you about all of your (now obnoxious) questions. You are the impediment to yourself.

There isn't a game being played - Max has an incredible amount of patience when it comes to free speech - and he has the idea that open discourse is important. But when these rants start others flaming, threads get closed. They reach an illogical end because of misbehavior. Like yours.

Give. It. A. Rest. Please. I don't read this kind of thread often, and you're the reason why.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:32 AM

Stilly River sage: "Guest from Sanity, if you don't even have the ambition to actually JOIN Mudcat, why are you standing here bellowing at the top of your lungs?"

You know, I already used that same 'argument' about 'illegal' aliens, or immigrants, to be politically correct...and the usual gang of bellowers argued how it was OK to come into our country, and breaking our laws to do it, and we should suck up to their demands....and you guys said I was all wrong....but now you take the opposite side....and this is ONLY a website/forum!!.... and unlike them, I'm NOT breaking any rules! What gives??
So by that rationale, you're being irrational!...or at best, a tad inconsistent!.....(now really)

Stilly River Sage: "Give. It. A. Rest. Please. I don't read this kind of thread often, and you're the reason why."

So, I'm good for the 'click-count' monetization??....Jeez, several people are like that....get all their knickers in a twist, like a Sumo wrestler...about my posts....that 'nobody reads'.
....I didn't join this thread till nearly a 100 posts...and it wouldn't have gone on so long, by all the drifting tactics....all you had to do was answer the question, within the first 5 posts.....or 10, or 100, or 150..or 200!..That ain't MY FAULT!..is it? I was just sticking to the topic, and had several great supportive posts deleted chasing the answer down...and did I ever jump anyone's shit about anything????
NO....just watching a bunch of guys fall all over themselves, with excuses, and tactics to condition people into thinking repression was acceptable, and freedom of speech was not...right??...Go back and look!....I'm not making anything up!

Now I guess I'd let it go by, but what do we have?....a bunch of 'folkers' who cut their teeth on protest songs, and the like....who are too discouraged to raise their voices, for good...AROUND FRIENDS?????

Truth is, if their is ever going to be a 'message' worth delivering, in music, even for 'social awareness', then why condition the artists, to choose a political message, that has holes in it, and eventually makes no one pay any attention, to us....and so easily dismissed and disregarded?

It's a good thing, that you have to read these things you don't readily agree with......a LOT of people out there, in America should do the same...it would do them right!

I remember the early days of Dylan, Ochs, McGuire....not great voices..but man, people LISTENED to the lyrics, as if they were glued to 'em!

....and just like them, I'm 'protesting' the 'establishment suppression' which as become the status quo, of bogus political, mind numbing rhetoric.................................and now, by golly, your reading ME!!!!

By the way, though there is a gap in understanding and agreement(sorta), Regards to you Regardless!!..(wink)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:03 AM

michaelr, it isn't possible to block any one computer specifically. Some shared/cable internet connections assign random IP addresses from a bloc allocated to them. Thus banning by IP address isn't an exact science.
When I ran my own site, I found this to be the case. Then there's the anonymiser, where you can login via a third party.
However, the one insurmountable problem is this. You can change your IP address at will.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Megan L
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:05 AM

Hmmm there are folks around here remind me of this The question goes round and round

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 05:08 AM

If Max or Joe start hearing directly from registered members here, we can push them to finally do something to stop the good name of Mudcat dipping into this non-stop bickering.

It only takes 2 minutes to email Max, Jeri or Joe.

[e-mail] [e-mail]   [e-mail]

Time and again, as Mudcat members work together to campaign for a fairer, greener, more democratic website.

Some members/guests behaved appallingly. But some good could still come of it. This could be our chance to finally level the playing field and get moderators to answer the questions posed to them by EVERYONE, not just the inner ring on Mudcat that hug every thread while other get their posts deleted – let's work together to seize the opportunity !

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: TheSnail
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:06 AM

Hi GUEST. Don't you think using GUEST as your member name is a bit confusing? People might easily mistake you for an anonymous GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:20 AM

Of course what might be interesting would be for the IP addresses of the Guest posters to be published for us all to see. Along with the names of those registered Catters that may be, (or have been), associated with them.
Along with all the pseudenyms used for each one, not known by name.
I dare say that one IP address would account for at least 4 differently named posters in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:17 AM

It would be better still to log MAC numbers.

I'm sure I have however read stuff that Max pointed to that supported the essential anonymity of the internet. I don't think that is right. People should be prepared to identify themselves and take "ownership" of their views.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:30 AM

Guest from Sanity, you just illustrated perfectly why your posts rub me the wrong way. Zero to sixty in a million directions that have nothing to do with what I said - your ranting is annoying. Okay, I don't read your posts because of that. How hard is that to understand? And if you aren't a member, no one can offer you the answers you want. Answering questions via Private Messages is a benefit to Mudcat Cafe members. It's that simple.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:39 AM

I'm not sure exactly what's been deleted in the time it's taken me to write this ?
So please treat this as a general comment rather than a response to a specific problematic personality....

I had'nt planned reposting to this thread as I guess I've said enough to try to make a constructive effective contribution.


But..

Pseudonames, nom de plumes, aka's, secret identities, fictional identities, etc..
as invented & used by artists & entertainers are diverse and a rich and glorious part of our shared cultural history.

"Luke the Drifter", "Ivor Biggun", "Buster Poindexter", "Purple Helmets", "The Dukes of Stratosphear"..

just a hint of the innumerable instances of artists stretching out beyond the confines of their more well known public personas.

Quite often an open secret as much as any genuine attempt to fool an audience
for whatever playful, fun, silly, creatively discrete, or commercial reason.

For the most part usually benign, non malevolent in intent.


Now in the case of mudcat ID imposters, the devious fraudster may be able to throw IP detection methods off the trail
via anonymisers, etc.

But the person being impersonated should still be verifiable by their regular pattern of geographical IP range,
even if connected by Dynamic IP.

I'm no techwizz expert, but am fairly sure of the parts of the UK I am more likely to be pinned down to.
Anywhere else would stick out very questionbly.

Right now google reckons I am located at "Bath, UK".
Wrong, but nearer say than Croydon or Loughborough, or anywhere over the Atlantic..

I've never made a secret of my daft name games.
Joe I'm sure, as well now as Jeri, have more than probably been aware
and kept an eye on my jokey ID activities all these years.

That they tolerate it, is testament to the good humour & better nature of mudcat authorities.

There is a place here for marginally dysfunctional undisciplined anti authoritarian minds like mine,
provided we are respectful of the greater community, and never deliberately malicious & destructive.

[ok maybe once or twice a year on birthday and new years drinking bender - sorry guys]


Now as for my recent and currently active forum stalker/ID imposter, who knows why or what you're up to..!!??

more to the point who cares.


Right now, clearing up the mess after the wife stepped in dogshit on the pavement outside our front door
is a far more irritating real hazard of modern social life.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 11:09 AM

Are 'Guests' supposed to supply the answers?..or guess at why the posts vaporize when a good question is asked??...or notice that the deletions and closures start touching the Achilles Heel inconsistency of 'political rhetoric' that has obvious contradictions in it? What is more important, being 'politically correct' or honest and accurate?
If the political shit is found NOT to hold up, to the truth, go for the truth, based on FACTS....instead of bellowing an error, long enough to adopt, and recruit more erroneous creatures, who seem to be a hybrid of lemmings and parrots! As long as we don't admit that there are some 'flaws' along the way, and don't correct them, including the abandonment of impotent notions, then we might as well write off any effectiveness, that we, as artists can bring to the social conscientiousness.
Shit, if we want everything to fit in a nice box, of 'political correctness'...we got the rest of eternity to fit in a box. How about bringing some TRUTH to the living?
...and by the way folks, I'm not just talking about 'liberals' either.

Right now this country is dividing all over the place, every segment of this society is being 'force fed' reasons to hate, and be at war with another segment. We are fractured...BY DESIGN.....and by design of the same people who are NOT recognized, by EITHER parties as the controllers of the national dialogue. In fact, they are the ones, throwing the topics and controversies out to the masses, so while the masses are 'arguing' and skirmishing back and forth, our eyes are off the real agenda, being played out....in which WE ALL lose!!
Is this STILL not apparent??....It becomes REALLY OBVIOUS, when we look honestly and objectively at their DEEDS, as opposed to listening to the rhetoric, and getting all whooped up.
Do you realize how monumental it is, that Mudcat Forum is broaching this subject???....in a time of national and cultural confusion???
No, folks, I ain't just stirring up 'trouble'....I'm talking to the very people who were there, knows what can happen, but have been anesthetized, and who are being 'brought to', out of their slumber.
WE, as folk singers, IF coupled with the TRUTH and FACTS, would be a force to be reckoned with!
Didn't we already prove that?......and now nobody is listening? What changed? Love for our fellow human beings have been replaced, by bureaucratic rhetoric and 'programs' aimed at controlling, not helping...while the debt of their profiteering has further enslaved, a once free and kick-ass people.
...and that's OK????
Well shut me up!

On YOUR SIDE!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:35 PM

What?

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 12:46 PM

Richard... it's easy.... you read every 3rd word- backwards. Then imagine ee cummings reading it to improvised jazz.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 01:57 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?

Bill D: "Richard... it's easy.... you read every 3rd word- backwards. Then imagine ee cummings reading it to improvised jazz."

Richard Bridge: "What?"


From the bottom of a previous post.....:

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 05:23 AM


So, in closing, for now, there will be some who completely understand what I'm saying....and some jack-ass moron will pretend he didn't understand a bit of it, some will be pissed off for being exposed, but the only real or good thing that can come of it, is to resolve to make it better.....and try, if you can't 'win' your argument, at least consider that the guy you feel you need to call libelous names at, is probably smarter than you, on the subject, and shut your mouth for a few moments, and attempt to discipline yourself to actually learn something, or ask inquisitively more questions on it...as if you could actually be interested in something more than proving what stupid opinionated jerk sounds like when trolling!!!
Fair Enough???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:19 PM

I am reminded forcibly of various meetings and seminars I have attended. I remember one where a police officer told us that one almost invariable component of a criminal's life is that s/he thinks s/he is smarter than her/his adversaries.

Not to say that this is a crime. But the component is there.

wink!

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:21 PM

It is an excellent post, this thread has been drifting a bit, this post by GfS brought it back on track, I see the negatives gathering again, clearly these individuals aren't capable of offering a solution.

Well said GfS.

Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM

It's obvious that Guest from Insanity has far too much time on its hands and nothing to say.

Don Firth

P. S. And I get the distinct impression that Guest from Insanity and Guest Hookey Wole are one and the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:41 PM

Troll, troll, troll along
Gently down the thread.
Merrily, merrily, merrily
The trolls are getting fed.

It's getting kinda silly. While speed reading recent posts, I caught a snippet of one post... ye wants a democratic Mudcat? Ere ye fookin serious? Give yer head a shake to see if it rattles! Lard tunderin Jaysus buddy. D'ye read em before ya submit em?

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:48 PM

Maybe GUEST,Bluesman as well. They all have the same bellicose attitude and consider themselves (itself?) to actually be in possession of a functioning brain cell.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:51 PM

Don, which Hookey Wole ?


The real one, me ?

The imposter, who ?

or perhaps neither ?


I say your "distinct impression" is wrong.

How do we know you are not actually "Guest from Insanity and Guest Hookey Wole" ?



P.S. I get the distinct impression that this place is rife with easily exploitable & manipulated resentments and paranoia.

As well as just plain ordinary lazy folks who don't bother carefully reading threads before pitching in...???

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:53 PM

Guest from Sanity gets on my nerves sometimes (and the *wink* thing is stupid), but I agree with what he said above. When you argue because you don't like somebody and don't care about WHAT they're saying, maybe it's time to be somewhere else. Just think about whether you're making things better or worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:55 PM

"Right now, clearing up the mess after the wife stepped in dogshit on the pavement outside our front door is a far more irritating real hazard of modern social life."

Calls for a block party, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 02:57 PM

.. and bellicose.. me ???

I am sincerely hampered by a distinct genetic trait to try to seek, reason moderation and conciliation
in situations of ..errrmm.. over-dynamic social intercourse...

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 04:38 PM

What Catspaw said, two or three times, already, but I might also add there may be no need for the OP's original question if people considered the following:

from the Four Agreements - A Toltec Wisdom Book by don Miguel Ruiz:

1) Be Impeccable with your word

2) Don't take anything personally

3) Don't make assumptions

4) Always Do Your Best

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 05:02 PM

"...there will be some who completely understand what I'm saying....and some jack-ass moron will pretend he didn't understand a bit of it,..."

GfS----In college, I read GWF Hegel (German students prefer to read him in English tranalation).... but for that I got credit- and an 'A'.
I 'can' work thru posts with indefinite references, loose but extended metaphors, assertions with self-referential embedded assumptions...and implied existential truths- but it is too much work to sort out some expositions in the time alotted.

When I post HERE I try to be as clear & coherent as the situation will allow. I don't always succeed, but the intent is there. My bit of poking at your 'style' was simply a short attempt to avoid saying it ...ummm...like this.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:31 PM

John McKenzie: thanks, I did not know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 07:15 PM

"Vigorous writing is concise. Omit needless words." - William Strunk Jr. and E. B. White

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 07:21 PM

GfS: it's references like 'jackass moron' which seem to be applied to anyone who disagrees with you that get folks pissed off, that and the occasional lapse into "I have been telling you this stuff for years and it's still not getting through your thick heads." There are lots of people here who post things as they see those things, and many of them well-read.

I am as well read as you I think, and as we have discussed on a few occasions much in-line with your way of thinking. But, your somewhat lame and erroneous indictment of liberals gets on my crank because it's lame and erroneous. You use the word like it's a bad thing to be liberal. It isn't. (Nor is it necessarily bad to be conservative.)

This site belongs to Max, 100%. Has there always been agreement among the moderators? No. Will there ever be? I don't know. As for posts disappearing or threads, it happens. Years back I would have given a shit and did; now, I don't.

There are things than do not help: lack of a clear understanding of policy regarding Guest posts in BS is one. I figure they'll get to it in due course. Another is where to draw the line/define the 'limit' with regard to remarks about or to another poster. However, when that stuff gets decided and made clear then maybe lots of other stuff will fall in place and much of this thread will have been unnecessary.

As Bill pointed out earlier, it's difficult to make simple rules. Reminds me of an educator I know who got his school teachers to make a list of rules for their classrooms. Some came in with reams/stacks of paper, numbered. One teacher came in with a single sentence. "Be nice, please." The school went to single sentence rules: be nice, be polite, don't snore, and others in a similar vein. There was a reason for that: make a long list and someone will find a way around it. Make anything so prescriptive and it causes people to look for loopholes, and people will and do find them.

'Harsh' or inflammatory language comes in many forms: some is obsequious, some double entendre-d, some in the guise of politely worded sarcasm, some outright foolish remarks at best. It isn't a moderator's job to curb that. It's ours, all of us, and that includes moderators participating in the thread.

---

That's a perfect "10" of an answer, 999! --mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 07:49 PM

I agree with that moderator, who was not me. "Be nice" ought to do it. If people don't know what that entails, you've probably got worse problems than getting deleted here.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 08:02 PM

Ditto here, Jeri.

...While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.

- Ella Wheeler Wilcox -

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 09:00 PM

Isn't there just a bit of irony in that this thread about the terrible closed thread problem now has 238 posts?


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 09:00 PM

"Be nice, please."

Gee... where have I heard that rule before? Oh, yeah... way back in this thread... I think. Within the first 50 or so posts? No? And, seems to me, whoever posted to that effect said that's been the suggested approach for 12 years or more in this here Café???

I could be wrong. My memory sucks... or blows... I have a hard time to remember with all the sucking and blowing going on around here.

Recap... one rule... no personal attacks. Unwritten rule... you do not have a vote.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 09:53 PM

hmmmmm.. now let's think...

1] autocratic benevolent dictator,

2] secret unaccountable governing bureaucracy and law enforcement,

3] institutionalised monitoring & censorship of all public communications

4] citizens denouncing each other in public,

5] citizens furtively informing on each other to secret police in private

6] Gangs of thugs intimidating non conformist dissident citizens
[with or without tacit complicity of governing bureaucracy ???]

7] folk music and outdoor traditional culture celebrations & camping


hmmmmm.... sounds like a series of documentaries I watched on the "History Channel"..???


But.. y'know what, I'm actually ok with 1 & 2;

Being a pragmatist, I'm still open to persuasion on 3..

It's 4 & 5 & 6 that's the sour core of the rotting apple that leaves the worst taste
and stains the undergarments in any community...

7.... least said about 7 the better.

At least we don't have to wear uniforms, suffer food shortages,
and Mudcat has no nulear missiles... [does it...?????]

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:02 PM

"Be nice, please."

Mammy Yokum, Li'l Abner's mom, used to say "Good is better'n evil, 'cause it's nicer!"

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Janie
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:14 PM

Bruce, Jeri, mudelf, Kat, Bill D.

*smile*

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 10:59 PM

Amen, 999!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 11:05 PM

Hookey Wole... "hmmmmm.. now let's think... 1] autocratic benevolent dictator,..."

That's as far as I read before I said to myself, "What a fuckin arrogant asshole!"

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Hookey Wole
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 11:19 PM

Oh, well there goes the happy clappping new mood of niceness...


.. I'd say I'm more of a "fuckin perspicacious asshole!"

shame you never got as far as reading 4 through 5 & 6.....

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 02:54 AM

From Richard: "I don't believe that a civilised society should tolerate racism bigotry or fascism, or indeed, their supporters. Even the USA, the vanguard of "free speech", racial abuse is forbidden."


I fully agree.

It is the only reason why I rarely post here now, and then, only as a 'guest' for I refuse to belong to any community where this type of speech is tolerated. Sadly, it has been tolerated here for way too long, to the point where the person who does it now almost holds this site to ransom. If anyone dares to disagree with his foul posts and they are usually SO foul that they cannot be ignored (as well he knows) then the thread is usually closed very fast. Of course, he knows this will happen, which is why he behaves this way, laughing from the security of being hidden away behind his screen.

I have strong principles and I find it nigh on impossible not to tell foul-minded folk what I think of their racist, abusive behaviour.

It's very hard to run a site when you have a poster of this depth of nastiness. I do not know why he is permitted to still come to Mudcat. I think he has driven a lot of good people away. The gift of free speech, for me, does not entail the ABUSE of that gift.

And now, back to closed threads...........

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 03:13 AM

Man!..What a ride!! GREAT POSTS!!!

999, and Hookey. THAT'S What I mean, by changing the dialogue!!!

First of all, I don't have a 'Jones' or an axe to grind with 'liberals' any more than 'conservatives'. What pisses me off, is that BOTH of them, as a group of individual people, ALL wanting to do the best thing they can, WITH THE INFORMATION THEY GOT TO WORK WITH, have just been flat out deceived! Even with all the abundance of evidence, and a 'trail' that leads from where we were, to what this people has become now, happens to be the results of Politician/Financials/Media relationship...and all working for the 'elite' few. Example: Now, just bear with..It is a pretty well known and accepted fact, by pretty much everybody, that Glass-Steagall Act was a disaster, and paved the way for the financial/banking mess and large portions of the economy taking a massive dump! I want you to think back, if you were paying attention, at all back then, and remember the media package it was dressed up to be, and then the 'debate' of the 'advantages' of enacting that, and all the 'benefits' it would make possible, for all the 'loan benefits' for the 'struggling families, needing a hand up'. the 'Right', says Great for business! the 'Left' says "I don't know about those business guys..." Crooked Banker negotiates with party bosses, and now its sold to the 'Left' as a benevolent way to 'help' poorer people. Party boss, accepts deal, of 'inside trading' tips, because this thing is going to make him also, a wealthy man..with no connected money trail. Party boss, makes 'issue' (either pro or con) about why the party base should be 'concerned'. Debates, and enthusiasm anticipation grows...after all, 'we'(the party) are going to be the 'good guys' for once, and these 'loans' will be available...and we're getting something 'our'   way..OK?...Soon the 'legal' obstacles are out of the way, and it opens the doors for the crookedest pieces of crap on the planet to sell us a 'pyramid scheme' to defraud the entire tax structure, and economy, for a LONG way off...if, in fact, we recover, at all. Clinton backed and signed the bill. YET, if you are a Democrat, it either gets swept away, or reasoned away. Don't you think that before the plan was laid out, that the people who concocted the scam, spent maybe just a little time, figuring ways to get it through the 'legal' system, and how to sell the 'good idea' of it to the masses???
Bottom line: We were deceived...on purpose...for the sake of these crooks, to get money, a stepping stone to power. None of them prosecuted, no serious investigation resulting in much. Not much exposing them....no the party connections, on both sides....and we eat shit.
Now that's just one example. I picked an old one, but come on folks, they just keep doing it in front of our eyes, and both sides feverishly Debating THINKING THEY ARE RIGHT...because both sides, as far as us, the 'wee people', are comprised of mostly some pretty damn good people!

I thought about it,999...whom I have regards for, and how nicely would you tell someone to get off the tracks, there's a train comin' while they have their hands over their ears???

In a kindly tone:
   "A sir, mam, would you so kindly, because you're such a wonderful person, please be smiling and in a great mood while you feel comfortable, at your leisure, to kindly walk over here....the train is only 10 feet away...."

Ya' think??

So the question of "WHY?" as demonstrated here, amongst friends, musical friends, (even better) and the tactics employed, are exactly how WE have been played, misdirected attention...by the crooks, posing as ideologues, selling the argument through their political influencer/hacks, to pull off scams, on the American taxpayers back..after all, we're their credit collateral.

Solyndra,(and the rest) Volt, Immelt/'Jobs Czar'/unelected taking 500B of 'stimulus' to create jobs............in China??...'Shovel Ready'...."Health Care Bill'.....etc etc etc all of it and more, was sold to their supporters as something other than what it was..and is!!

Now as the list gets longer, when will people finally stop assuming its 'one of those guys from the other party that irritates me so much, with his 'argument' about_________(?)whatever.....and start taking a hard look, at what is REALLY happening.
Shit, you'd convict George Zimmerman WITH LESS EVIDENCE!!

So, in closing, maybe it's time that we look at ALL the deceived people for what it really is, and help them..with compassion, even those from the 'other' party..and as human beings....sing to them, and bring their attentions to higher things...and be on the cutting edge. Sooner or later, after it's all over, we might THEN learn to LOVE one another, as if we shouldn't now. Be upfront, honest...so you won't be susceptible of being deceived, yourselves. Just like in music....DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Be the change...no use waitin' for those fuckers to 'bring it to you'!

Oh, and about the part about the 'morons'....:

999: "GfS: it's references like 'jackass moron' which seem to be applied to anyone who disagrees with you that get folks pissed off, that and the occasional lapse into "I have been telling you this stuff for years and it's still not getting through your thick heads."

Actually I wasn't thinking of 'Richard Bridge' or 'Bill D' nor was I in anyway insulting them...and if I in any way implied that, I'm sorry...actually I'm grateful they showed up and gave an outstanding performance, to illustrate a point. They deserve a round of applause. They were great!! Put your hands to-GETH-er!..give it up for 'em!

And Regards to all the players in continuing the dialogue.....on "WHY?"
(it's bigger than ya' think)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 03:50 AM

Well said GfS.

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 04:14 AM

Hey bluesman...you got anything online, in the way of music??

(Now watch....they'll jump my ass for 'topic drift'.............

Anywhere where I can hear ya'?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Why closed threads?
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 14 Apr 12 - 04:22 AM

Hi GfS. A friend has two tracks of us up on youtube, I would advise that neither of us divulge too much personal information about ourselves here, especially now with the return of that woman who keeps telling us she will never return here. She has a bit of a fetish for inclusions on social websites.