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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 15 Jan 04 - 06:17 PM Ethnic heritage is plain old United Statesian Heinz 57 white guy. My grandparents were English, Dutch, French, and German but so long in the States that the heritage of those cultures were gone. I am eliminating sugar now, Susan. I am down to three teaspoons a day. Tomorrow I cut it off. The reason I am doing this gradually is that I have experienced the withdrawal symptoms of a complete cutoff from sugar. I was miserable, sick, dizzy, weak. I had to leave work and go home I felt so bad. I figure a cut off from my new sugar levels should be easier to take. I had a bad day yesterday when I raided the candy on the lunch table but it's mostly gone by now and it will be easier to avoid in the near future and that's all I need. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 15 Jan 04 - 06:54 PM Sounds good. What's next to go, after the sugar cutoff stabilizes? Or is it too soon to choose? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: mg Date: 15 Jan 04 - 10:38 PM are you eating enough fat? Enough meat? It sounds like you had a hypoglycemic reaction...are you aware of this condition? It would be more from not eating enough fat, fiber and protein (frequently) than cutting back on sugars. I think. These situations are complex. Are you substituting other foods for the sugar? You are a big man, and you need a certain amount of calories, and a certain amount of fat, protein and vegetables with fiber. I don't know how much of each. I don't know if you would benefit from some fruits, very limited fruits, some grains, no grains...these carbohydrate variables are difficult to assess. Can you get your blood etc. tested? Ask for hemoglobin A1c, lipid panel...see if they will also check insulin and DHEA and/or cortisol..you will see why when you read stuff by Dr. Schwarbein..who has a major web site... From your ethnic heritage, I would personally consume grains that they consumed..oats, rye, barley. I would consume meats that they consumed.....certainly pork, chicken, fish, rabbit...beef if it agrees with you....I would eat butter and olive oil. I would not fear butter....but I would and do fear any artificial trans fats like margerines etc. I would not drink fruit juice or smoothies...way high in sugars.... mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 16 Jan 04 - 04:51 PM Today is a tough one. I want some cereal. I'm starting to rethink the whole diet idea. Bah Humbug! |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 16 Jan 04 - 04:54 PM Fresh air, move around some, THEN see if you still need a fix. If so, take half a fix, go for some more air, and try again. Harness your stubbornness for your own self! :~) ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Peg Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:10 PM Jesus H. Christ, there is nothing wrong with eating cereal! Just choose one that is not loaded with sugar. Eat oatmeal, total, cheerios, corn flakes, raisin bran, grape nuts. Add some fruit if you want. I had hot oatmeal with low fat milk and a banana for breakfast yesterday. It was delicious, nutritious and I did not get hungry again for several hours (and I have low blood sugar) Do you want to lose weight? I mean, you do, don't you? That is what you've said. Eat less junk food, cut down on fatty foods, add more healthy nutritious food to your diet (meaning lots of vegetables and fruits), add fiber-rich foods to your diet, drink plenty of water every day, and get some exercise. It's not rocket science, and despite the plethora of tips on this thread, it is not complicated. What is stopping you? It is not necessarily easy,but if you don't at least make an effort, nothing will happen. Please, please, just do something to get started. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: mg Date: 16 Jan 04 - 05:24 PM Some people do better, like way better, by not cutting down on fatty foods, making sure they eat the right fats, and by cutting way back on cereals... Perhaps have the cereal, a healthier one if possible, and add some meat and fat to your breakfast. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:00 PM Oatmeal with raisins is a treat for me (my kids don't like raisins so I don't put them in the morning cereal when we're all here together). The biggest help to myself when I'm trying to eat healthier is to have healthy food handy for those times when I walk into the house and am so hungry before fixing a meal that I'll eat something sugary for the instant energy. I find things like beef jerky and dried apricots are a good and very quick snack (no preparation) before fixing the real meal. I picked up some dried fruit yesterday, and a pack of trail mix, with nuts, fruit, and m&ms. I ended up eating 6 oz of trail mix during the afternoon (I calculate, from the package numbers, about 800 calories) because the salty/sweet combination tasted good, and because with a little sugar in there I was attracted to those calories. Next time I'll get nuts and raisins alone, probably best if I make it myself. Then I'll get that sweet/salty mix but in a healthier form. It looks like going cold turkey from the sugar is the way to deal with it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: mg Date: 16 Jan 04 - 07:03 PM I should probably repeat that I am far from being the poster child for weight loss...it is stuck on me..I don't feel I can eat fewer calories...I sleep an awful lot..but at least I am not gaining and know how much worse it could be if I followed the standard SAD advice... mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 16 Jan 04 - 11:21 PM Peg, if I'm not moving fast enough for you, you don't have to hang around. I was never a pacesetter anyway. I have always been difficult for impatient people to understand. I went out nd bought some Mutigrain Cheerios. That was good. I was sick all morning, headache and feverish. still don't feel well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: mg Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:27 AM if you don't feel well, you should see a doctor and hope that he or she knows something about nutrition. Likewise a nutritionist. Some are good, some are harmful. You really need to match your food intake to what your particular metabolism needs...none of us knows what that is....and also most of the advice you are getting is from women...and we have different metabolic needs. There are some universals that you can extract from all this... 1. You have no need for white flour or artificial fluids like Pepsi or Crystal lite...2. You need good and sufficient protein and fats and fiber vegetables. No one knows how much. 3. You probably need some fruits and some grains. No one knows how much. 4) You don't need massive amounts of alcohol..perhaps a bit is OK...no one knows how much. Have you read the Zone? It might help... You are doing well eliminating things that are not needed. You must get enough calories to keep going. You seem to be showing signs of hypoglycemia....I'd sure read up on it and see a doctor and again hope he or she knows anything about it....when you feel funny like that it wouldn't hurt to check your blood sugar. I ahve never heard of it causing fevers though.....that seems odd... Cut out the truly bad stuff , which you are doing, and listen to your body....don't starve yourself...there is nothing tø gain from doing that....if and when you find the right diet for your body, it will be enjoyable (she says, being overweight herself) ....you will feel well. Dr. Mercola at mercola.com has some good articles he posts. Dr. Schwarzbein has a very good website. So does dr. Bernstein. So do the metabolic body typing people. Also, read up on yeast infections....if you ahve been eating a lot of bread especially that could be causing overweight and also illness....also parasites are probably not unknown in Guam...lots to think about... mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST,foodforthought Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:27 AM hi Naemanson your reactions to weaning yourself off sugar are pretty normal for anyone with a sugar addiction. (been there.. still there..) it is extremely hard to cut down on carbs if they're not replaced with something else that's satisfying. when it doesn't work out one day, it can work out on another day. i don't think that weight is something that can just be controlled by dieting, especially for the severely overweight. you may have a medical problem, and it may be caused by medical issues - eg some medications cause you to actively put on weight. if you are taking medication for something & beating yourself up about what you eat, you are trapped in a Catch 22. You may have eaten this way all your life, but only put on the larger amount of weight recently, eg in the last year or so. if this is the case, it IS NOT THE FOOD. it could be medication, or a change in your body's functioning for some other reason. and you have every right to assist your search for weight loss with other medical assistance. or, to do it slowly, in what ever way you finally work out for yourself. some carbs eg oats, seem to have less weight causing qualities than say wheat. (there is some glycolic or other index I've seen that comments on this). You have more chance of digesting carbs earlier in the day (eg morning, lunch)than at night. That is a compromise that can be reached. good luck & best wishes! food for thought.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 17 Jan 04 - 08:16 AM I'm just glad to see you haven't jacked it in... that's the next biggest step over! The sick feelings may well be 'cold turkey' - bodies react in different ways when we remove the thing we "rely" on. My downfall was cola. I used to drink a fair amount and then I stopped. Three times in one week I fainted. I found out that it was the cola that was keeping me upright. The caffiene kick gave me enough energy to get to work! It was all connected to the heart trouble, which was not improved by a very stressful situation. The cola gave me that kick start and it's been a case of trial and error finding an amount of stimulant that will keep me going, without overdoing it. Once I realised that my irregular and rapid heartbeat wasn't a symptom of too much caffiene, I made an effort to find out what the problem really was. Keep going, a little a day. It may take you a month, it may take you a year, but you will make it! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: LilyFestre Date: 17 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM Just wanted to tell you that the beginning is THE hardest part...I SWEAR!!!! Push yourself through that and you are home free my friend. Sure, there will be some other difficult times but NOT LIKE when you are getting started! Be strong! This miserable part WILL pass....keep telling yourself that!!!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Peg Date: 17 Jan 04 - 10:29 AM Brett, I am not impatient for you, I am concerned about you. I want you to be the healthy person you want to be. I have noted you are having a hard time getting started with making changes. But every day has the potential for change. You started this thread asking for help, for ideas, for support, for motivation. I have offered a great deal of that in a lot of posts, as have others. I am not doing that for my health, but for yours, because you asked. I just don't want to see you give up without giving it a good try. Sorry, I do not happen to be a molly-coddling type so if I seem impatient, realize there is real concern behind it. When you wrote you were "rethinking" the whole diet idea, that's what it sounded like to me. That frustrates me, because I am concerned about your health. I think you do want to get healthy, but I can't figure out what approach is best for you (which is why I have offered a number of different kinds of advice). Only you can figure that out, ultimately. But you did ask for help. I think if you see this as an "all or nothing" thing it will be even harder to do. Which is why I opined that there is absolutely nothing wrong with eating cereal, if you want it, as it is not an unhealthy food, with few exceptions. Do this any way you think will work, but do it reasonably. I agree with others who think the "one day at a time" approach is good...but to me that means that every day is an opportunity for you to get better. Good luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 17 Jan 04 - 07:53 PM I think I have a mild case of the flu. My temperature was just under 102 last night. I took some Nyquil, slept well, and feel a little better this morning but still not back to normal. I still feel feverish. It figures this would hit on a three day weekend... |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 17 Jan 04 - 08:14 PM Maybe it's a good thing it hit on a three day weekend. Stay in and rest, lots of fluids, etc. There are two types running amok here. One lasts 24 hours; the other drags on for two or three weeks with a fever reaching 104. Hell of a way to lose weight. Brett, have you tried to figutr out how many calories you are currently consuming. Rule of thumb: it takes 13 calories per day to support a pound of body weight. Multiply your body weight by 13 then by 7 and you have the number of calories to maintain your current weight, Subtract 7000 from that total and you have the weekly calories needed to drop 2 pounds your first week. Just another approach if you can't eliminate sugar and bread. Be sure you don't use all your calories on junk food and soft drinks. You still need to improve your nutrition. At 300lbs, you can consume 2900 calories per week and lose weight. Plateauing will occur - weeks where you will lose nothing because you aare replacing fat weight with water weight or your body is just equaling...or maybe even replacing fat with muscle which weighs more. Give it some thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 18 Jan 04 - 11:48 AM Jeff PM'd me today. For those interested, Weighty Issues, a permanent chat room is in the works. As soon as it is up, I will PM those who expressed interest and announce it on this thread. Live chat with friends with the same interests. SINS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 18 Jan 04 - 12:03 PM Once again, Supr Cyber Man has come through for us. There is now a permanent chat room called Weighty Issues for discussions on nutrition, weight loss, success stories, help!, etc. Anyone can open or enter it by going to the drop down menu. See some of you tonight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Tinker Date: 18 Jan 04 - 12:18 PM What time Sins??? Yes, the doctor wants me to take off about 20 lbs on top of the ten I dropped last year. It seems to be a bit stubborn and like the rest of you I'm having trouble staying focused. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:32 PM Well, I'm glad, Brett, that you have sense enough left to take your temperature. Drink plenty of fluids and read your Maturin. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: momnopp Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:10 AM Here's what I'm learning about healthy eating from someone who's studied weight-loss issues from a number of perspectives for many years, worked closely with scientists as a staff member of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity (blicky) and analyzes things pretty thoroughly: 1) Carbs are carbs are carbs in terms of how they ultimately end up in the body. The speed at which they do this varies greatly, however. Slower is healthier. 2) Overall, eating as "close to the source" as possible is best. This means grains with minimal processing, fruits and veggies fresh and uncooked (or cooked as little as possible). Eating an orange is a whole different process from drinking (even freshly-squeezed) orange juice. 3) Some types of fats are better than others - Arthur S. Agatston of South Beach Diet fame (a cardiologist) recommends olive oil and canola oil as best bets. 4) The glycemic index is only truly useful as a tool for those with Type I Diabetes. Unless you have a serious insulin problem, it's not all that useful a tool. There's an article here that I think gets most of the idea. 5) The fact of the matter is that in order to lose weight, the number of calories consumed has to be smaller than the number expended. You can achieve this by a) reducing the number of calories consumed, b) increasing the number of calories expended (some people call this, "exercise") or c) both a and b. 6) I believe that is 6.5 hours of sleep required before the body actually begins to process glucose. Here's more on that. 7) Losing weight has sooooo many complicated pieces to it that food and exercise only explain the littlest bit about it. The now famous "Dr. Phil" addresses the whole notion from the inside out. His approach has people looking at their motivations and self-talk before he even mentions food. I haven't read "The Ultimate Weight Solution: The 7 Keys to Weight Loss Freedom" but it sounds interesting. This area of his website has lots of interesting tidbits. Hope there's some good stuff contained in the above information. I'll keep passing along information as I learn more. I think I'm down by about 5 pounds but the real boon so far is that I've got the sugar monster under control. I was fortunate to find some very yummy snackable snow peas, asparagus, cherry tomatoes, broccoli, tiny, sweet peppers that fill the "crunchie-munchie" desire pretty well. Low-fat string cheese also helps get me through. Peace, JudyO |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:22 AM The following article came from the front page of the 19 JanSydney Morning Herald (www.smh.com.au) & was originally published in the New York Times. I won't include the SMH clicky as it would now be in Archives (it's tomorrow here, now!!) & Archived articles usually cost money. ..................... Fatty diet backs away from the heart attack on a plate By Marian Burros in New York January 19, 2004 After advising dieters for years to satisfy their hunger with liberal amounts of steak, eggs and other saturated fats, the promoters of the Atkins diet now say people should set limits on such foods. Only 20 per cent of a dieter's calories should come from saturated fat, the director of research and education for Atkins Nutritionals, Colette Heimowitz, is telling health professionals at seminars. Scientists have criticised the Atkins low-carbohydrate, high-fat regimen, fearing it might lead to heart disease and other health problems. Ms Heimowitz said people had read the phrase "eat liberally" as a licence to gorge on red meat. "Not making a distinction between one kind of protein and another, that was a mistake, and that is why we had to write another book, to get the story straight." The Atkins revision places more emphasis on fish and chicken. Company representatives say Dr Robert Atkins, who died last year, always maintained that people should eat food other than red meat, but had difficulty getting that message out. The revised version explains how to follow his diet, not the diet itself. The Atkins regimen But Atkins publications have never set limits on saturated fat and it now faces competition from other popular low-carbohydrate diets that call for less saturated fat. The Atkins regimen remains high-fat, but it is lifting the amount that should be unsaturated - the kind that comes from most vegetable oils and fish. However, Ms Heimowitz said: "Even in the old book it says, 'Eat until you are satisfied but not stuffed.' " ........................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Jan 04 - 11:09 AM The current Jan. 19 issue of Newsweek has an excellent article about carbs, and they go beyond the "glycemic index" to talk about "glycemic load." Most of us have heard about the glycemic index, which ranks carbohydrates by how much they boost blood sugar. But the effects of carbohydrates are better measured by glycemic load. Index is about how much total sugar the food will convert to; load is about the rate at which it converts, which is of partiuucalr interest to people with significant weight to lose who should be concerned about how their insulin response (and possible insulin resistance) may be affecting their efforts to lose weight. The Newsweek article itself is not available online. But information about the underlying research is. =============================================================== HARVARD HEALTH PUBLICATIONS There are a number of items there that line up with my own experience as accurate and realistic. I like how they are organized-- each piece has an informative online abstract that gives good general guidance; then you can use this to do you own research or purchase their longer piece. They don't overwhelm you on the detail level before you get a chance to see if the basic idea makes sense for you. Check out: BEYOND ATKINS Glycemic index and glycemic load for 100+ foods (unclear whether this is truly a LOAD chart of an INDEX chart) Exercise: A Program You Can Live With Further detail: GLYCEMIC INDEX AND LOAD ============================================================ In the end, it goes back (again and again and again) to whole grains, whole foods-- complex carbs. But the Glycemic Load can help you spot the ones that work the best (high index-low load), and it also can help you spot which high-index-high load foods may need to be served with higher amounts of protein, because protein also reduces the load. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Bob Bolton Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:52 PM G'day Brett, "... My only concern is how the Atkins diet, with it's reliance on proteins, will affect my cholesterol levels..." You are probably right ... the latest from the Atkins Foundation (this week) is that they are revising the meat list to reduce the fat / cholesterol loads ... probably not changing amounts but paying closer attention to avoiding the "bad" fats and the fattier meats. I notice Susan's post above deals with Glycæmic Index. This has been the cornerstone of my dealing with Type 2 diabetes (along with keeping telling others ... and me "I am a diabetic ... but dealing with it well!). Once you study and digest the implications of a healthy Low Glycæmic Index diet, you find that it accords with many of the better suggestions in the vast amount of material above. A GI diet is why I have dropped white bread (for, mostly, Soy & Linseed bread), stopped eating wheat-based cerals, avoid most rice (Basmati - and Aussie Doongara are fine low GI types, but most commercial rice is not). It's why I now eat a dinner with a small portion of lean meat or some fish ... and ¾ of the plate filled with vegetables. And, of course, I walk a lot ... but I have always done that, so it is no hurdle to increase distances. I lost 10 kilograms (~ 22 pounds .. ?) fairly quickly ... but my doctor says she would like to see 10 kilos less of me next time! That's why I am working through this thread for some extra tips / inspiration / motivation. Work at it mate! We want you around for decades to come. (And I want to be around to see it.) Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 21 Jan 04 - 08:56 PM Well, I've come up with a quick way to lose 10 pounds. That mild flu that I thought I had was pneumonia. I spent a night at the hospital, suffering the usual indignities you have to suffer there, and that was the diagnosis. I am home now and on forced rest and recuperation. Except for the hospital meals I haven't had a real meal in days. My kitchen is empty of everything but dirty dishes. And typing this has worn me out. My boss is bringing me some groceries this afternoon! Maybe I can eat again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Jan 04 - 01:01 PM Look after yourself Naem, take care. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Clinton Hammond Date: 22 Jan 04 - 02:05 PM I was talking about health and such with Herself last night (I used to be very active... and now have had about 10 years or so of a nearly total sedentary life... Depression at having to quit dancing probably had a lot to do with it, but I digress) And while we were talking an add came on for Subway... remember Jerred? The guy who lost a lot of weight eating at Subway and walking? Well, hils 'low fat' samiches have been replaced by low carb stuff for the Atkins Meat Puppets... twice the cheese and bacon of any of thier other stuff or so it looks... I remarked to Herself I was gonna write a health book called "Eat What Ya Want, But Get Yer Fat Ass Up Off The Sofa" (aimed mostly at me) Today she sent me -This Link From The Globe & Mail- Damn them and thier crafty ways! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:25 PM Weighty Issues is up and running. We had a crowd last night about 6PM EST. Of course some were curious skinny people who were shown the door...just kidding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Jan 04 - 07:06 PM If the Amish are against modern devices and modern ways of life, how come they permitted pedometers? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Clinton Hammond Date: 22 Jan 04 - 07:24 PM Maybe not all are zelots, and would do it to help out other people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 22 Jan 04 - 07:53 PM Anyone who is fat through greed, should be charged double on all forms of transport. It is really annoying being squashed up next to someone vastly overweight, especially when they are still cramming as much as they can into their mouths. If they had less money they would not be able to spend so much on their groceries.They also tend to sweat more, which can be awful if they haven't washed too well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Jan 04 - 10:10 PM That bit of drivvel of course coming from a passerby with no name and no consideration for the importance of what is being discussed. Brett, I'm glad you got yourself to the hospital. I'd been reading along how you weren't feeling good, went home shakey, and figured that the diet wasn't what was causing your problems. Now take very good care of yourself, because it takes a while to get over those symptoms of pneumonia. I've had a couple of coworkers come down with it over the last 18 months. They lost a lot of work time because of it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:24 AM That "bit of drivel" actually came from someone who has just had to endure a trans atlantic flight, squashed between two huge people. They had bought one seat each, but their thighs invaded the space I had paid for, to the extent that my tray was unable to click into place, and yes they had an aroma of stale sweat. Makes perfect sense to me, less money means less do'nuts. If people's greed has an effect on those around them, then they are entitled to be criticized for it. In the same way that I criticize smokers for making me inhale their fug. This is not directed to the 1% of obesity which is caused by medical problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:37 AM "GUEST" is someone trolling on a thread where people are discussing health and weight issues. He hopes to make other people feel bad so he can feel better. I pity this sort of person, who thinks he has some sort of moral high ground from which to conduct such sniping. While he may have been seated between people with fat around the midriff, how is he accounting for the excess fat between his ears? |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 09:46 AM I was discussing health and weight issues. If people were more accountable for their calorific intake, if the result effects others,maybe that would be an incentive for them to take more care with their diet. Believe me the excess weight around their midriff was nothing compared with what was around their thighs. Their stomachs prevented their own trays clicking into place, this did not effect me. Does someone pointing out others inconsideration make them feel bad? Well good, so they should. Incidentally my name is CHIEF THREE FEATHERS OF THE GORGY TOTEM, but it didn't fit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:04 AM No, fathead, you're not "discussing" anything remotely related to health and weight issues. You're bitching and taking pot-shots in a place where you think you've found a vulnerable group of people to pick on. You're beneath contempt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:04 AM Sins, I am a skinny person who has to work hard to stay that way. Kin I still come to chats when I can remember they're on? ;-) In a brief moment of inspiration a couple of weeks ago, I decided to sign up for a correspondence course in holistic nutrition. Part of the course is listening to Dr. Andrew Weil's Guide to Optimum Health on cassette. This is pretty fascinating, and I highly recommend it. Brett, I have been eating Shredded Wheat and Bran. It's all grain, no sugar, high fiber. Sure, it tastes like wood chips, but the addition of a banana and some pecans does wonders. I usually have this for breakfast with a glass of kefir. Let's talk about kefir for a minute. This is something Mister turned me on to years ago. Basically it's liquefied yogurt. The kind I get is low fat and relatively low carb. I would recommend it over the prefab yogurt-smoothies-in-a-bottle things. Yes, the calories are higher, BUT I think the overall nutritional information is better. Plus it's cheaper to buy one big bottle of kefir than five little yogurt smoothies. It also makes a great snack on those occasions when I wake up in the middle of the night and can't get back to sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:29 AM Kim, have you heard of or tried villia? There are several spellings, but it is a cultured milk product that has a mild flavor along the lines of sour cream. It works very nicely in cooking. We've discussed it at Mudcat before so a search should bring up some sources. I just did a quick good search and find a fellow doing research on its effects of tumors, it looks like. I hope he has good news! Villi is a scandinavian dairy product. I don't eat dairy any more, but I always liked this stuff. My father mail ordered starter from some folks down in California. I, too, will plan to occasionally join that discussion thread. My main diet approach, though, is physical labor to keep the weight off. (I'm a hard core gardener, now that I have a yard where I can do that sort of thing!) I am in the "normal" range, but it fluctuates, and for me the most urgent reason for discussing diet and keeping of the few extra pounds is in the hopes that eating healthier will counteract the signs of approaching arthritis. One reason for stopping dairy is to combat the arthritis (my Dad stopped playing the guitar when his hands were too stiff so he couldn't form the cords comfortably). It also makes a big difference in allergies. If I didn't have a sinus reaction when I ate any dairy I'd still be culturing the villi. Deckman sent this story a couple of years ago:
Before I forget, Brett, are you beginning to feel better? SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:10 PM Bitching? Potshots? Beneath contempt? You are a very rude person. If people who choose to be overweight,have an affect on those around them, they are entitled to know? Like I said, this may be the spur they need to find help. They are obviously having trouble doing it for themselves, lack of self motivation etc. There are many reasons people finally get help, a friend has just lost 13stone...she was one of the heaviest women in the UK and at the age of 40yrs, she took the plunge and joined a Rosemary Conley programme, and has just won Regional Slimmer of the year and £2000 to boot.She was on TV at New Year, when Rosemary Conley was honoured in the New Years Honour List. Her motivation was that she was so ashamed of her size and it's impact on those around her, that she refused to get on buses in rush hours. Yes people do tut tut You on the otherhand are just plain stupid, and I haven't seen a diet that works for that, so I reckon you're stuck with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:43 PM I find it hard to believe that you had TWO flight companions who were so heavy as to prevent their dinner trays from clicking into place. I am not a small guy NOW - after having lost 10 inches from my waist - and at my HEAVIEST could still seat the meal tray properly. The thigh business though? Not totally due to weight - I know people who are UNDERWEIGHT who find airplane seats too narrow. I know I haven't been in an auditorium, a plane, or a movie thieatre in ages where my shoulders (and there isn't THAT much fat on my shoulders) do not overlap the seats on eaither side of me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:54 PM What you find hard to believe is of no concern to me. Right then I'm off to the gym, with my rapidly shrinking pal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 01:30 PM Okay, lookit, I'm 5'3", 120, and even I feel cramped in a freakin airplane seat. I would rather drive than fly any day, unless I have to go across the ocean, in which case I don't have much of a choice. Anyhow... I have never heard of villia. I will look into it. I do know, however, that some 19th century recipes call for soured or clabbered milk. I read somewhere that milk doesn't actually spoil, it just ferments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 23 Jan 04 - 01:32 PM it probably doesn't go "harmful" - but it will sure go "dis-tasteful" |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 23 Jan 04 - 11:52 PM Mmmm, yummy. ;-) Say, I Googled villia and really didn't get anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Jan 04 - 12:11 AM yeah, I haven't had any luck this time either. I'll try some more searching and report back. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: SINSULL Date: 24 Jan 04 - 11:04 AM KimC, I wish you would come visit. Recipes, suggestions, comments are all welcome. Bring your sense of humor. The group is able to laugh at themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Kim C Date: 24 Jan 04 - 12:53 PM Well, all right. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Naemanson Date: 25 Jan 04 - 02:58 PM I am feeling better. I will try to go to work today. By my best estimate I have lost almost 15 pounds on the pneumonia diet. I don't reccomend it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: It's time for weight loss! HELP!! From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 26 Jan 04 - 07:29 AM Brett - as you say, loosing weight in extreme illness is not a good thing. As you get better, you can get back to eating food that is good for you & looking after yourself. sandrA |
