BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....

Subject: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 11:21 PM

Seems that Amos and Martin Gibson think each other is a wacho...

Your choice? Pick one (only), please....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 11:40 PM

is a 'watcho' some sort of Mexican snack that stares at you?

Neither one of them are insane....they have different ummmm....'attitudes'

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 11:42 PM

Just the sort of discussion I might observe from afar, but *try* to stay out of. :> ;)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: harpgirl
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 11:47 PM

yes

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:15 AM

It's easy to throw the "insane" word around.

Amos is a scholar and a gentleman.

Martin G is an exhibitionistic hothead.


And they are both members of our Mudcat community.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:18 AM

I think I'd prefer to know as a person the one that doesn't always resort to 'potty mouth' behaviour when on a losing streak... As for insanity - I won't say any more, lest I have more of my posts deleted... :P

"Will he who is without windows be the biggest pane"

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:33 AM

Gee, thanks for stepping forward, asll you clear minded patriots. Let he who is without neurosis cast the first polysyllabic aspersion.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:52 AM

Ok, I'll bite: ... Amos ;)

T

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:03 AM

Teresa:

Could you clarify what you are voting for? Thanks.

Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Cluin
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:09 AM

I think she was just deciding who to bite.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:59 AM

Ah, insanity. but then again, I'm not too much of a judge, living in a glass house and all. However, it takes one to know one?

As for any other qualities mentioned, if they were ... I'm confused. I don't feel qualified to vote in those areas, whatever they might be. :)

Ah, forget it. I'm in a Scotch haze, and everything I've said should be taken with a large block of salt. Off to bed I go. :)

Well, Amos, you opened up the poetry corner. How could we do without that? :)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Metchosin
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:03 AM

What's the choice Bobert? Do I think Amos and Martin Gibson are wacko or not? Is Amos wacko or is Marin Gibson? Do they "seem" to think each other wacko or do they "really" think each other wacko?

I know which one, if I had the opportunity, I would rather spend time getting to know personally, first, because they spent a great deal of their free time helping me out when I needed it and secondly, because we seem to have some commonality of ideas regarding American politics amongst other things.

I have friends that others may regard as wacko, but I've just viewed them as some of the more interesting, human and approachable of my fellows.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:03 AM

I think Bobert means for us to take his thread with a grain of salt, right? It does, though, have the potential to hurt the "candidates" if people take this too seriously and start really throwing the wacko term at these guys (and I don't think Bobert means for that to happen). BTW, for whatever it's worth, I've met Amos, and he's a great guy. That's all. I'm out.

Chanteyranger.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Teresa
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:10 AM

Or ... if you took the s out of the appropriate word in the subject in this thread,it certainly wouldn't be Amos.

Ok, off to bed with me; I've gotten into enough trouble. ;)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: MudGuard
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:16 AM

My choice: Bobert.
Proof: this thread ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 11:03 AM

Well, since both DougR and Martin think I am mentally ill for maintaining the "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" thread, I have reflected on it serriously. And it is true that I have shown bias in that thread. It is harder to find pro-Bush articles, and I haven't posted many. Like two.

On the other hand, I would add that neither DougR nor Martin have posted any qualifying artciles to the thread. They have had rather scurrilous comments, hazings and bashings of a rather uninspoired sort, but no views on the topic as such.

I think the kind of obsessive irrelevancy they have both demonstrated in this wise is a symptom of mental illness, especially when it is accompanied with crude and barbarous potty-mouthisms as in Martin's case.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: BaldEagle2
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:11 PM

Do please Martin Gibson alone, now.

Almost all observers come to the conclusion that Martin lost his religious beliefs a long time ago, and now rants and raves like all others who had faith, and now deny themselves the comfort of the faith that they once had.

One day he will rturn to being the kind and good gentleman he used to be.    You can see signs of this starting to happen when you read any of his threads in the non-B.S. section.

Screaming abuse back at him in this section will not help him in any way, and may actually worsen his condition.

He is a member of our community, and therefore deserves our understanding and our patience.

Amos, on the other hand, has no excuse, and is fair game for tormenting in any way you can think of.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:24 PM

I believe Amos to be sanitary, while MG is sometimes extremely insanitary.
Thank you for asking.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM

I have to especially thank Bald Eagle 2 for his kind remarks, his compassionate understanding extended to those less fortunate than himself, and his vote of unqualified confidence. He is a true gentleman.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Áine
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM

Well gee whiz, Bobert. I don't know Martin; but, I do know Amos quite well, and have shared a plate of bean and cheese wachos with him on occasion. Don't know if he's insane or not -- if he is, well, I guess that makes me crazy, too. Oh, we happy band of Mudcatters ;-)

Oh, and please let me know when we get to vote on Most Handsome and Miss Congeniality . . . and don't forget that cheerleader tryouts start on Monday, OK?

All the best, Áine

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. A careful reading of the BS threads will show that we are all guilty not least of all Bobert who refuses to see the outcome of his exchanges with P-Vine when we all know what is going to happen...again!

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:37 PM

Give him back his support when you're finished with it Amos.
Giok (¦¬]>

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:41 PM

And his typo? Wasn't "leave" omitted from the first line of BE2's post? It renders the rest of the remarks senseless without it.

There has been a glimmer or two from Martin, but they are so few and far between that they are too dilute to amount to much.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Dave Swan
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:42 PM

Friends, this is not for us to judge, for who among us have not worn our underwear outside our pants, or barked to get the attention of a waitress, or eaten chewing gum off the sidewalk? To say that Amos is 'round the bend because of these behaviors is to minimize a man of talent and integrity.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:43 PM

Amos wears underpants?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:53 PM

Insanity I can deal with. It's inanity that gets me. Drives me absolutely wacho!

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:57 PM

Oh, thank you, David! I feel so...so....forgiven!!!. If I ever take them off I will send them to you. Thanks for understanding....(sniff)!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: DougR
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:12 PM

Neither. I think Amos shows signs of obsessive behaviour, but since I am not a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist, what do I know?

Since you introduced the thread creep, though Amos, the reason I have not posted references to counter the arguments you make in your thread that Bush is dumb, ignorant, a liar, a killer of babies, etc., is because it would be a waste of time. I have never looked favorably on those who post articles from magazines, newspapers, or other publications that support their point of view expecting that those who have a different point of view will accept the evidence offered as truth and the last word on any subject. Anyway, were I to expend the effort, it would not convince anyone on the Mudcat to change their POV. As I've already said, waste of time.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bassic
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:14 PM

I think they are both nuts..........as am I, as are most people on here. I am sure it is no coincidence that new members are frequently greeted on their "welcome new catter" threads with phrases like "welcome to the nut house", "leave your sanily at the door" etc etc etc.
I my view, insanity is now a required life skill in the modern world.........cos it sure as hell dont any make real sence to anyone I know! Banning live music from Sam Smith`s pubs........QED!!!!!!! Is it time for the meds yet nurse?

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Megan L
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:38 PM

Hmmmm are they nutters well lets look at the evidence, if you can answer yes to more than one of the following then beware.

Do they hae opinions?
Do they frequent strange sites (anything to do with folk :))?
Do they hae ideas that arny yer own?
do they ever deserve a guid skelp on the lug?

oh heck i'd better stop an book masell intae Cornhill :)

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Alba
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 01:46 PM

Aye hen thirs twa like us aboot eh!
I dinae ken daft fay mental masel:>) so dinae be booking yersel intae Cornhill jist yet....
Jude ( aff mae heid n' proud o it!!)

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM

I don't 'suffer' from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

Since I know Amos more than I do Martin, I vote....Myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 02:19 PM

Aff yer heid, we used tae dream o' bein' aff wir heids. Whin ah wis a wean the wummin doon the road, hud a season ticket fur Gartnavel so she did. An' Harthill, se yon Harthill dinnae talk tae me aboot thon place, even ra big clock oan the too'er wis wrang.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:50 PM

"Bush is dumb, ignorant, a liar..." - are any of those things considered controversial? I mean Bush isn'tthe only one like that, but surely that is part of what he does for a living.

Amos has written some pretty good songs. I don't know if that other bloke in the thread heading has that to say for himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:55 PM

Actually, I did show the bug Amos Bush bashing thread to a friend who is a qualified clinical psychologist who did say upon reading it, or attempting to read most of it, that it was compulsive, repetitive behavior. Serial killers also suffer from the same infliction.

As far as people think I'm crazy for being such a "potty-mouth" (a juvenile term that right away invokes someone who is squeemish and limited in real world experience) I will only say that using profanity is most effectively used in getting your attention as you are so uncomfortable in it's precense.

Doug R. is correct in saying thoughtful response to Amos is really just not worth the time. There is more entertainment value in it for me to do everything opposite. It's more fun to have Amos be my Margaret DuMont.

Finally, in the words of the late, great country singer Waylon Jennings, "I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane."

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bert
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:04 PM

Amos is a man with a name and gives his opinions openly.

Kay Harmony is of unknown gender and speaks from behind a cloak of anonymity.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM

Amos is also of unknown gender except to Bert, who has first hand apparently seen Amos' genitalia.

As well as Ernie's from behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:19 PM

Who are we to judge? "Let he/she who is without verbal fault cast the first stone" Martin G and Amos are two people with opinions...no more no less! Are you any better/worse?
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:21 PM

Martin:

Each of those posts is about a different subject on the general theme. Each was found at a different point in time. Calling me obsessive for repetitive behavior is indicative that your friend is a fraud -- he would make the same diagnosis of a cowboy who keeps on rounding up cattle over and over again, or a worker on an assembly line, or a weather station operator who obsessively goes out and measures rainfall over and over again, or a surveyor who keeps asking the same questions of people on the street over and over and over. They all must be nuts. I started, and am maintaining, one thread. The thread contains appropriate clippings from the world on one theme over time. The fact that you and your friend try to take this behavior and force-fit it into an inadequately understood definition of a poorly-defined pattern of aberration reflects more on your nuttinesses than on mine.

If you support George Bush, you are going to have to get used to the notion that there is a lot of information out there that disagrees with you. Sorry you don't like it; perhaps you would prefer to bury it in order to be right, but those of us who are honest don't resort to that sort of neurosis.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:32 PM

Martin...I'd LOVE to see what this "qualified clinical psychologist " would say if he were shown a selection of YOUR posts, with their various scatological and insulting references! Might be an eye-opener....then again, he might suddenly become an EX-friend...

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 05:34 PM

Amos quite probably thinks that Martin Gibson is wacko. Martin Gibson has solidly established that he IS wacko. That seems to make it unanimous.

Amos is an intelligent, well read gentleman who is political aware and politically active, calling attention to articles he believes will be of interest to those of all political persuasions who are also politically aware and active. Dedicated, yes. Wacko, no.

At various times, Martin Gibson has claimed that he is an attorney (while displaying a total lack of debating skills other than foul mouthed abuse), a published writer (while demonstrating only rudimentary knowledge of spelling and grammar), employed by a major corporation (a checker at Wal-Mart, perhaps?), and several other things for which he has demonstrated a total lack of aptitude (with the possible exception of that last). Hardly grounded in reality (meaning "wacko").

Now he says he knows a clinical psychologist. That is probably true. But what I wonder is this: how well did Martin Gibson learned to run the maze?

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 05:55 PM

I've grown accustomed to his posts.........

I think this forum has kept both of 'em from getting into even MORE trouble on the outside.

Amos is doing exactly what he SHOULD be doing given his point of view. Our boys are risking their lives in foreign climes for just that right (I'm including Afghanistan, I'm not lookin' for a whole new fight, here).

Martin has shown a verbal consistency of approach which can 'butt' endear him to one over time (not that there's anything WRONG with that).

There are plenty of other folk, Bobert included, myself possibly, even, barely, who can be plenty irritable each in his/her own way. There's one guy from the other side of the pond wot is alluz callin' ever'thin' rot, which I found pretty awful until I realized his ineffable curmudgeonly brilliance. He can punch the horse for all time as far as I'm concerned.

"You all look like happy campers to me. Happy campers you are, happy campers you have been, and, as far as I am concerned, happy campers you will always be."

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 05:56 PM

Skinner, you are a fucking quack. I have never claimed to be an attorney. I do know a few good ones though. You might need one for impersonating a doctor. You however, do not need one for impersonating a douche bag.

Bill D, big difference is that I just don't take much of it all that seriosuly as our analyzed compulsive friend Amos does. Calling someone a cockbreath when I seriously do mean it can not qualify me as insane.

Someone posting for YEARS a one sided political agenda with such hate or should I say disdain for an American President on a folk music Internet forum beckons to be honored with the compulsive liberal whining award of the year. It's really not a service to anyone except to Amos' own ego.

What if Kerry had won? What would have this meant for Amos? It's very sad in a way, but it gives personalities like Amos a daily will to get through another day, feeling that he has this purpose for his <5 or 6 followers.

I merely shake by head and mutter "loser" under my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:00 PM

I have been looking all over for a totally inane thread today, one that veers shakily from gross insensitivity to hysterical hyperbole, then takes a detour into snide dismissal just before verging into rabid abuse and mutual contempt, amidst accusations of insanity.

Have I found it here? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:06 PM

Little Hawk, you are obviously coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:09 PM

Yes, and this forum is very much to blame for that!

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:10 PM

Carry on, Martin; by your abuse they shall know ye.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:13 PM

"Calling someone a cockbreath when I seriously do mean it can not qualify me as insane."

...never faintly suggested that you were insane. Suggested that you have a personality problem. Wouldn't waste 10 seconds commenting on someone I thought might be insane.
A few well-known sports stars have recently demonstrated personality problems that got them fined, but I'd hardly call them insane. Howard Stern got taken down a peg or two on commercial TV/radio for excessive nastiness....

...but all THOSE guys used their real names, like Amos & I & Ron Davies & Don Firth do...

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:21 PM

You and Amos are such real men with a lot more hair on your ass for using your real names Bill D. Buff thing to do, I'm sure.

I in turn prefer to keep my Mudcat life separate from my 3-D life which will allow me to have more fun here. However, for your own satisfaction, I am quite outspoken in real life, also. Please qualify your degree in clinical psychology before you start judging people for your personality analysis.

As I look at the cast of characters here, I see very few "real" names.

Oh yeah, Christopher Guest seems to post here a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?....
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:40 PM

"outspoken in real life.."

by whom?