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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Jan 05 - 06:45 PM His wife? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 08 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM No, not her. I don't like the doghouse or the couch, either. My professional contemporaries, on the other hand......................... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 08 Jan 05 - 07:40 PM " As I look at the cast of characters here, I see very few "real" names." but 95% of those 'handles' are just that, and can easily be linked to a real person, in necessary. "I in turn prefer to keep my Mudcat life separate from my 3-D life which will allow me to have more fun here" why IS it more fun to be obnoxious anonymously? Perhaps 'fun' is a euphemism for 'safer'? In any case, you sure have a curious notion of fun....ask your 'friend' about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: s6k Date: 08 Jan 05 - 09:06 PM ah the humour of this thread |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 08 Jan 05 - 11:25 PM Bill D. just why is it so important to you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bert Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:46 AM Why IS it more fun to be obnoxious anonymously... I don't know that it's a mater of Fun Bill, chickenshit is the word that I would use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:10 AM Whoever started this thread should be sent straight to bed without any supper, as should some of the contributors. Children, children, play like big boys why don't you! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Megan L Date: 09 Jan 05 - 10:18 AM ach john the puir wee laddies couldny play the game at aw wioot each other. mind you theres ane oh them seams suitable fur woodilee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Amos Date: 09 Jan 05 - 10:55 AM I think I understand the charges against me. I have borrowed a paragraph from Melville who knows a thing or two about obsession, changing the names to protect the innocent. It seems to me that Gibson's complaint runs along these lines: The Stupid President swam before him as the monomaniac incarnation of all those malicious agencies which some deep men feel eating in them, till they are left living on with half a heart and half a lung.... All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it...all evil, to crazy Amos, were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in George Bush. And to this I can respond that although I am not THAT guilty, I am somewhat guilty. My attention returns tot he problem of George Bush over and over. One reason is that his war, started and designed under his control, belonging to him, is chewing up a thousand dollars a second. More important, though, is that every day, death is stalking the Americans in Iraq, as well as the children. We have laid down the lives of 1100 soldiers in this cause of taking on Saddam's regime on fictitious pretexts. Iraq has now become a battle field between bloodthirsty extremisms, with no clear political prize to be won except possibly a local government that combines the best principles of democracy with a talent for licking American boots on important issues. I am not a bloodthirsty extremist. More of a detente-addicted democrat, as one pundit put it. So I plead guilty to blind spots and deep concern for the mad path the world is taking under George Bush's leadership. I should look on the bright side and calm down. Lives are being lost and treasure is evaporating in this abyss, sure. The nation's repute has declined dramatically -- the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive warfare shows so little sensibility to our previous national character that we have taken on the colors of a war-monger. But at least he isn't getting intimate with an intern as far as we know. There's more than one way to defile the Oval Office, huh? Guilty, too, of worrying about how we as a nation will get out of this war, preferably in "winning" mode, and undo the damage caused by our cross-eyed leadership. If these things are madness, then, let it reign. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Amos Date: 09 Jan 05 - 11:11 AM I also think, on reflection, that I am a little bit insane for returning so devoutly (or may be it is obsessively?) to this community day after day to read the views of others and add my two bits worth of comment to them. I notice for all his crude anti-social style, that Martin shares this insanity with me. Odd, huh? But I like coming here a lot more than the kinds of communication available in meat-space, just because the participants are pre-qualified here. Excuse me, I have to go clean up my drool now. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Cruiser Date: 09 Jan 05 - 12:12 PM I am amazed that both fellows are able to devote so much time to Mudcat. The back-and-forth between them at least opens one's mind up to the extremes of about every issue discussed. I am favorably biased towards liking Amos because he researches his posts and those posts, although often biased, condense information that many of us can't take the time to do so ourselves. Never fail, Martin Gibson will rebut whatever Amos says. His rebuttals would be meaningful if he took the time to research the contrary position and post it in a fair manner, even if he combined learned refutations with his usual scatological retorts. Insanity is far too extreme a term for either; strong personalities would probably be fitting appellations for both. Cruiser |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:27 PM What you don't keep getting Cruiser is that I just don't really give a flying fuck. This is Internet sport for me below the line. Amos is anquishing about his image and justifying everything, why he's here, etc. I just blow my wad and see what happens. "And to this I can respond that although I am not THAT guilty, I am somewhat guilty. My attention returns tot he problem of George Bush over and over. One reason is that his war, started and designed under his control, belonging to him, is chewing up a thousand dollars a second." Amos, you are so frustrated that it controls you. Please believe me when I say that you have zero impact on your concerns about George Bush. This is not some kind of contest for me. Martin Gibson exists on Mudcat, not for Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:34 PM What's the difference between chutzpah and arrogance? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: CarolC Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM I'm not going to comment on the original question. But on the question of Amos' thread about GW Bush, I appreciate the fact that there is a thread I can go to for information about the Bush presidency that I would probably not have the time to keep track of myself. Amos' thread is a very interesting compilation of articles on one particular subject... the presidency of GW Bush. The fact that he is putting the majority of the articles and editorials he provides in one thread, instead of scattering them about in numerous threads, is a courtesy that I think many people might appreciate if they took a moment to think about it. DougR, you are correct... you are not qualified in any way to assess Amos' mental health (or lack of it), or to even make implications about it. It might be useful to remember that before you go around suggesting that Amos has any kind of mental health disorder on other threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:52 PM I dont think either Amos or Martin are mad, but I do think that Martin has latched on to what has always been the achilles heel of the left, hypocrisy. Martin always says what he thinks, and likes to twist the knife in that tender place. Most of the rest of us are afraid to say what we really think ,because we dont want to give "bad " immpression. This applies to all areas of our lives ,personal and political..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 01:58 PM " just why is it so important to you?" because words have always had the power to stir emotions, and we have real people reading them. Many people here use this forum to learn, interact with others with like interests...often including RT meetings and music. Most of them do NOT condsider it a place to conduct a personal game of seeing how much dissention and upset they can cause by gratuitously (look it up) entering threads with insults and crude remarks.It makes me sad ...and angry..to see anyone making a special effort to be nasty to to "see what happens". that's sorta why... of course, I have no notion that my explanation will make any difference to someone who's idea of 'fun' runs in such strange patterns in the first place... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:08 PM "Martin always says what he thinks" ..that IS what is scary.. "...and likes to twist the knife in that tender place." ...this is a VIRTUE? Amos is at least willing to thoroughly study, research and note data to support his 'concern'...which many of us share. ake, if you suppose that "most of us" really HAVE thoughts like MG...(and perhaps, yourself?), I'd suggest THAT indicates a personal problem with your attitude toward human nature. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:15 PM Bill...You completely misunderstand my post |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: CarolC Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:21 PM I think I probably misunderstood your post too, akenaton. It looks to me like you are suggesting that hypocrisy is more prevalent among "liberals" than among "conservatives" (or whatever other groups of people we might consider in this context). From my perspective, hypocrasy is every bit as prevalent among "conservatives" as it is among "liberals". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:22 PM oh?..well, I'll go read it again... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:28 PM I guess I'm just dense....can't find the deeper meaning. ...and I also wonder why you'd paint "the left" with the broad brush of 'hypocricy'...don't we find a few hypocrites in every area? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:31 PM It must be a US political leaning thing because I don't get it. Why does Amos annoy MG so much, is it just different politics and the age gap or what? I find both their posts interesting, but I don't like MG's or anybody elses use of unnecessary strong language to make a point. Lenny Bruce and Frank Carson or any other foul mouthed comedian you can think of, are notorious for their foul language, and not famous for their jokes, and a swear word in place of a punctuation mark won't help your grades. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:31 PM Bill...You completely misunderstand my post. I dont see the behaviour of Amos or Martin as "vice or virtue". Most of the argument between Martin and others on this forum originate from political differences, and very often Martin is baited by democrats. I was simply pointing out that although Martins political opinions are against all that we espouse, Martin is not afraid to defend his opinions in a forthright manner, he believes in these ideas and practices them daily, whereas most of us on the left neither believe what we preach or practice it. This leaves us wide open to Martins charge of hypocrisy...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Cruiser Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:36 PM Okay Martin Gibson, I understand. Have fun! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:53 PM a 'forthright manner' I can live with...I thought *I* defended my own opinions in a forthright manner. I don't quite agree that "Most of the argument between Martin and others on this forum originate from political differences"...note that although a lot of folks disagree with Doug R., we basically respect him and there is much good natured bantering goes on. Doug R. does not go out of his way to insult and be obscene, just to 'get a rise'. and..."...whereas most of us on the left neither believe what we preach or practice it." ??? I'd sure be curious how you determine that, ake! Voting habits? Personal experience? Mind reading? I try not to say anything that I do not actually believe, even when I don't have time to express it well. Perhaps Martin's way of 'succinctly' ridiculing someone else's position is something I should experiment with...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:07 PM "Skinner, you are a fucking quack. I have never claimed to be an attorney. I do know a few good ones though. You might need one for impersonating a doctor. You however, do not need one for impersonating a douche bag." An interesting outburst, especially for diagnostic purposes. As a behavioral psychologist of some reputation (world renown, I believe, if I say so myself), I don't believe anyone but Martin Gibson, and perhaps a few of my more emotionally and financially invested colleagues who disagree with some of my theories, regard me as a "quack." There is no questioning of my right to claim the title "Doctor," because, although I am not a medical doctor, I received a PhD in psychology from Harvard, and have taught the subject in several universities, including Harvard, and have conducted laboratory experiments in behavioral psychology under the aegis of these institutions. With that settled, let me go on to other matters. If pressed, I believe I can find the posts in when Martin Gibson did imply that he was an attorney, and others in which he claimed that he was a published writer (although I believe someone pointed out that spray painting obscene graffiti on the sides of buildings does not qualify as being published). He also claimed that he was employed by a major corporation, but as noted above, this may actually be true (yet, he does seem to be able to spend an inordinate about of time during normal working hours throughout the week posting frequently inappropriate remarks on this forum; so the matter of his employment, if any, remains in doubt). The fact that Martin Gibson mistakes me for a douche bag, or for someone trying to impersonate a douche bag, is reminiscent of some of the findings of my colleague, Dr Oliver Sachs, who published a book entitled "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat." However, I do not believe that Martin Gibson's problem is autism, although it may be related to a form of semi-controllable Tourette's syndrome. The fact that he attacks me personally is not at all unusual. When a patient displays hostility toward his therapist, it is a common stage in that therapy and is to be expected. What does concern me is his persistent separation from reality, claiming that he is various things that he is not, his claim to possess special knowledge (acquired, presumably, by supernatural means) about the personal habits, sexual behavior, and personal hygiene of people he has never met, and his obsession with things scatological, a phase most children pass through at approximately age 3, and which, if it continues into adulthood, indicates a particularly serious infantile fixation. I am most deeply concerned about his persistent maintenance that the personality he displays when he is hiding behind anonymity is not his real personality. It is obvious that while he is anonymous, this is the time that he feels most free to let his true personality emerge. It is then that he can indulge his compulsion to behave in a manner that would be completely unacceptable to his family and social circle. Perhaps he needs this outlet as a sort of safety valve in order to maintain his tenuous grasp on reality. Although there is no guarantee of a cure for this condition, a rigorous program of operant conditioning and behavior modification is indicated. A good beginning, perhaps, would be to have him sit on a stool while facing a corner and wearing a dunce cap. Diagnosis: wacko. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST,Sigma Fender Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM Meanwhile, how do we determine what a REAL semite IS, so we can come to an understanding of whether we really ARE anti-semitic or not? And when we do...then what? I am hoping that Martin will clear this up, so we can get on with it. If I find out that I actually AM anti-semitic, after Martin explains what a real semite is, then I am going to probably undergo some lengthy penance or else do myself in by swallowing goldfish until I expire horribly. I just couldn't live with the shame! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:17 PM Bill, Like your sense of humour. Regarding hypocrisy ,you need look no further than the representatives of the left for proof. New Labour in UK and the Democrats in America. Do you really think either of them represent left wing values? In my personal life Im surrounded by people who profess to be left wing, but behave in right wing way when it benefits them. I suppose caring for others doesn't come naturally to our species, so maybe im being a bit harsh. In this forum, there are too many so called lefties who continue to support the Capitalist parties to be trully left. Before the last election, there were only two people on this forum speaking against the two party system Bobert and GUEST, both were ridiculed by the "democrats". The people who ridiculed Bobert and GUEST were certainly not unintelligent....draw your own conclusions....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Guy Wolff Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:18 PM BARKING MAD POST AHEAD !!!!! I know its scary to look at a matter from a few sides and THEN come up with a conclusion but it is the best thing America has to offer and our responsability. It is the essence of freedom . Being a raving liberal flip flopper means your actually looking the thing over from a few angles before making an EDUCATED decision.I am proud of my flipping & flopping but I also see how vulnerable it leaves my conclutions to anyone trying to think in a two dementional world.Two dementioal thinking looks good its easy to dijest but the reality is we do not live in a two dementional world as ALL our leaders must truly know ... I have freinds in China who wonder at us and brag how for them it is all "predestened" . No worries at all .(Would that be one dementional ?? . ) The great problem at the moment is both points of view are seeing the other as arrogant and dangerous . We have a group of Americans terrified that BIG BUSINESS will take over the world and steal all our freedoms . Then another group of people are terrified BIG GOVERNMENT will take over the world and steal all of our freedoms . Both have valid concerns and are slightly correct and at the same time misled . Both , at the moment are being led by a form of fear . Not good . Good Will, a Cultural Existence and a responsible freedom for the "Pursuit of Happiness " By the way I've played music with Amos and he definatly seemed male to me .Lots of testosterone makes that rich singing voice. I hope I get the chance to play music with Martin Gibson as well .. I like both of his guitar companies very much !!! All the best to those of good will . Guy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:23 PM Akenaton - I have always spoken out against the 2 party system. I despise both the Republicans AND the Democrats and consider them to be the right and left arm of the same unholy monster. I see massive hypocrisy on both the right and the left. I'm not surprised they see it in each other (but not in themselves). That's how the ego works. It sees its own faults clearly...in others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM Bill ....I forgot to mention, Doug is a *tame* capitalist...A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM And basically a nice guy, by all appearances... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:33 PM Sorry Hawk.. you are of course exempt from any political or personal criticism....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:42 PM Heh! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:47 PM LH...I cant agree with you about Doug. He supports a war which nearly all of us see as basically criminal. This war has caused the deaths of thousands of innocent men women and children. I have no time for people who blind themselves to the consequences of their beliefs. I also dont see the right as hypocrites. evil, mercenary, greedy, but not hypocritical. They truly believe their doctrine, reinforced with a large shot of religion ...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:56 PM Well, yes, Ake, but he honestly believes that the War on Anti-terrorism is a legitimate defence of the USA against evil foreign religious fanatics, and he probably honestly believes also that the USA went into Iraq to "help the people" and to "create democracy". (Ha! Ha! Gasp! Snort! Cough!) So, given those beliefs, Doug's opinions seem entirely just and proper to Doug. Therefore, he can still be a nice guy. The hypocrisy of the right is different from that of the left. The left hides behind illusions of soft moral superiority ("we're kinder and more idealistic than they are"), while the right hides behind illusions of hard moral superiority ("we're tougher and more realistic than they are"). Both illusions cover over extreme vanity and self-interest in action. The left is the archetype of the Protective and Indulgent (yet subtly controlling) Great Mother, the right is the archetype of the Strong, Authoritative (outwardly controlling), Disciplinarian Father. What society needs is a harmonious, healthy, and balanced marriage of those two principles, which is based on mutual respect and cooperation....not mutual hatred and competition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: CarolC Date: 09 Jan 05 - 03:59 PM Before the last election, there were only two people on this forum speaking against the two party system Bobert and GUEST, both were ridiculed by the "democrats". This is incorrect. I was speaking against the two party sysytem prior to the last election, as was Little Hawk. And I believe there were other people who spoke against it was well. I was never ridiculed for doing so, and I don't recall seeing Little Hawk being ridiculed for doing so either. You're making broad sweeping generalizations based on incorrect and incomplete information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 04:10 PM Apologies Carol, I do regard both yourself and LH as true lefties..Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: CarolC Date: 09 Jan 05 - 04:18 PM LOL. I'll take that as a compliment, akenaton, even though I choose to not apply any labels to myself and/or my political perspective. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST Date: 09 Jan 05 - 04:39 PM Sigma Fender says "how do we determine what a REAL semite IS, so we can come to an understanding of whether we really ARE anti-semitic or not?" It's easy dude. If Rabbi Sol bugs you as much as Martin Gibson does, then you're anti-semetic. If you find MG to be an irritant, it doesn't mean you're prejudiced. I find both Martin and Amos to be egotistical bulllies if you cross them. Only difference, one uses big words to pick on his adversaries, the other dirty words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Jan 05 - 04:49 PM "Docktor Skinner: My professional analysis of you: cocksucker You have way to much time on your hands. Ever try cutting your pubes until you find one that bleeds? Oh my God, Giok, don't fall over. Guy, maybe one day our paths will cross picking some hott bluegrass, traditional since 1948. Hey everyone. Thanks for the discussion. Stop by tomorrow for more of it. Always in your face, but not on it............Love, Martin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:07 PM Oh my! Dirty words. Yecchhhhh. I must go wash. They are so dirty. Such filth. Amos, doesn't it bother you what they are saying about you? Sure, don't bother me any. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:25 PM His level of hostility seem to be increasing and he continues to claim special knowledge about people he doesn't know. This graphically confirms my diagnosis, but some revision may be in order. Symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia are beginning to appear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Once Famous Date: 09 Jan 05 - 05:28 PM Not as fast as the stains in your shorts, Doc! LOL! You are a riot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: s6k Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:01 PM too much time on your hands |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST,Dr. B. F. Skinner Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:04 PM There it is again. The scatological fixation. I'm sorry, but I'll have to get back to Martin Gibson tomorrow. I do have other patients; ones whose prognosis is more hopeful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 07:15 PM well, ake...I freely admit that our US system does not easily allow for 'lefties'...OR 'righties' to find a party that really represents their views. I am a registered Democrat, but not an extreme left sort, and even have 'some' conservative values of certain issues....but there is no Centrist Party for me to join, nor even much of a Left Wing party to bicker with...without basically wasting my vote. Therefore, I support the Democrats STRONGLY, because of what the Republican party has become. 20-30 years ago, I disagreed with much Republican theory, but except for Nixon, I didn't see the rigidity and extremism, combined with radical Christianity, that worries me today. But, as to Doug R and Martin Gibson...although they might vote in similar ways, their approach to discussion is pretty different. If I met each of them in a bar and they behaved much as they do in this forum, I might talk to Doug for a long time before we managed to discover that we disagreed on politics....but if Martin approached things they way he does here, I wouldn't give him 5 minutes. (He says he doesn't, in fact...but the point is, HERE he is obnoxious 75% of the time, and makes special effort to offend people in threads which are unrelated to political/economic bickering. I have not seen Doug call anyone a 'douche bag', no matter what he thought of their political views. I wish Doug did NOT support this stupid war with silly rationalizations, but I can at least argue with HIM about it, as a person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: akenaton Date: 09 Jan 05 - 07:33 PM Doug wouldn't know what a douche bag was!! And stupidity is not an excuse. (about the war, not the douche bag). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: Bill D Date: 09 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM being an ex-philosoper, I even differentiate between 'excuse' and 'explanation'. I don't dare assume that anyone who disagrees with me is 'stupid', so I have to look elsewhere for an explanation for views I consider indefensible. Some people just develop some emotional/social/religious/fiscal..etc. attachment to a set of beliefs so deep they they are unable to see other viewpoints. They decide what the answer MUST be, then twist all logic, facts and discussion to fit. This is pretty shallow reasoning, but it 'explains' why people who are pretty smart can hold stupid opinions. It is one of the mysteries of life how folks can look at the same set of facts and come up with totally divergent opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Insanity: Amos or Martin Gibson?.... From: GUEST,maybenotallofHitler'spaintingswereshite Date: 09 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM anybody heard any of Martins music ? is it any good ? |