Beverley - Sun Inn

Subject: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,mississippi john
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:23 AM

hi folks,

the sing around session at the Sun Inn this sunday 28th has been given the all clear,

start time approx 3.30 / 4 ish until what ever.

m/j

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Carol
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 09:36 AM

Now the siren has gone off hope to make it John

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 01:29 PM

i only hope that this time the sun will have a regular host to welcome us

she deserves all the help she can get

m/j

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 03:32 PM

me 2

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:36 AM

Well, no hand-pulled beer on at all yesterday (and very few light bulbs either.)

Good turn out of singers and players

There was some free food on which was appreciated but, personally, I go out for a play and a drink of real ale rather than for freebies.

R

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Carol
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 12:47 PM

Sorry I didn't make it yesterday but I agrEe completley with Roger about the freebies - however at least when it's food everyone gets the chance to partake.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 01:29 PM

Ooooh Carol!, but how right you are.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,slim
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 02:41 PM

please dont thow peopls kindness in their faces.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 03:05 PM

I thought it a very nice gesture, the Sun has a lovely atmosphere and it is again hard to see it empty of all but musicians, hopefully the regeneration of this part of Beverley may help. John went in the other week on a sunday lunch and it was completely empty (just in case some people thougth it was the musicians driving the punters away!)

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 03:54 AM

Hola John,
                            Will 'The Alley Cats' still be playing at The Sun on the 9th?
       25mm wearing course, the true path!

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Carol
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:03 AM

I would just like to clarify my comment about the 'freebies'.
I go to various song sessions around the country and the landlords treat the participants differently in what they provide.
Some just don't provide anything, fair enough, some provide food e.g. a plate of sandwiches etc., some provide a pitcher of beer to be passed around the participants and some provide free beer etc. for the organiser.

I think that it is in the nature of sessions that it's everyone's contribution that makes a session. It's not just the organiser, and most of the time the session would/could still take place if the organiser wasn't there i.e. no-one is indispensable - what happens if they can't make it at the last minute, the session still runs.

I see this as a gesture of appreciation from the landlord to the participants and if you're on a diet you don't have to eat/drink anything!

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Les from Hull
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 08:18 AM

Yes it's always nice to get some sort of acknowledgement from the landlord.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,SIR ROG AT WORK
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 12:25 PM

Back in the glory days of The Sun Steve, the then landlord, used to give all musicians a drink of their choice. I had a programme on my computer that printed off beer tokens which I then handed out at the session (both Sunday and Tuesday sessions). Steve obviously thought it worth doing in exchange for all the custom we brought in but I'm just as happy if the current climate precludes anything of the kind now.

My comment about the free food on Sunday was intended to say that I don't need inducements to turn out to play. However, I do like my real ale and would like the opportunity to purchase some in venues like the Sun

Roger

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 01:04 PM

Yes fairy princess the Alley Cat are still on on the 9th of feb. hope to see you all there.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 01:05 PM

Sorry for the missing, SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 03:19 AM

Thanks John, we will definirely turn up for that night. I have procured a game pie from that purveyor of fine meats, G.Scott of Stonegate in York for tonights frivolities in the Woolpack

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 08:19 AM

We could argue all day on the merits of having an organisor or not at sessions.The simple fact is that having an organised organisor at a session does encourage people who would not normally have the confidence to have a go.

I have run sessions in the "Sun" and other places for many years and the feed back from others is that is the kind of ssession they prefare.Of course the session will always run without an organisor, but what usually happens in my experiance is that there will be some who will dominate the session to the detriment of others - that could be musicians OR singers.

In the case of some one being unavailable for the Beverley sessions , we will contact one of the other regulars to take the helm.

In the point of so called "freebies", we all give our services freely in the cause of keeping music live , but I think it is a wonderful gesture on any landpersons part to give anything in appreciation of our efforts.In the case of last Sunday at the "Sun" I would personally like to thank them for that unexpected lovely Sunday dinner.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,Diane Forritt
Date: 31 Jan 07 - 08:02 PM

I couldnt help but notice the line about giving services freely
pleeeese pm me

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 03:10 AM

Join Mudcat and i will be very pleased to.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 03:45 AM

I din't know that it was that kind of website :-)

R

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: the one
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 09:45 AM

just to let you know, it was karl who laid on the food paid for it ,cooked it, and as now been sacked but knowing the sun he will be back. pip.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 01 Feb 07 - 02:51 PM

Thanks Pip, he has our thanks and support. Supping out of cans was bad, but the spread, as Ms "for it" says, made up for the lack of good ale.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:09 AM

Must have missed summat here John, were does the shadowy and elusive Ms"for it" say owt about the spread?

But look on the bright side, they had plenty of the good draught Guinness and Fosters lager.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:45 AM

On this thread

Folklore: Woolpack Beverley Now Wed night

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 09:01 AM

So it was "Guest" but how was i supposed to know?

Being only a mere singer you see I keep away from musicians sessions and mudsites(well nearly all the time)

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Graham and Jo
Date: 02 Feb 07 - 03:16 PM

Tiger session tonight is in the big front room. Starts about 9.
(Lairgate, off Keldgate)

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 03 Feb 07 - 10:43 AM

see, banjo players "CAN" pull a fast one.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 09:39 AM

hi,

my view on the free beer at our sunday sessions

if it is the case of some one( organiser ) being unavailable for the sunday sessions, and would contact one of the other regulars to take the helm, does this mean they will get free beer all day.

I was under the impression that who ever ( TOOK THE HELM ) ran it for the enjoyment of others not for we as an indivial could get from it.

when rodger ran the sessions at Sun Inn ( Sundays & Tuesdays )
all who took part was given a free drink.

i for one do not get a free drink when running the SUN sunday sessions.

m/j

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 07:35 AM

Yes "Guest" m/j that is as I see it.Who runs it gets what I get, it is no big secret.

The same goes for whover plays in "Punch The Horse"

The idea of free beer for the organisor in the "Monks Walk" - for that is I gather what you are on about - is what was offered to me as well as the venue by Lorraine when we had no home for the first Sunday singaround, yet again the landlord had left "The Sun"

I inherited the Sunday session from Pete Dean who asked me to run it when he moved on to pastures new. At that time, some in the "Sun" got paid to run the session as well as free beer - just as they do at Festivals, and that does include Beverley Festival.Yes, I am also aware that Roger converted his to tickets

I thought everyone was aware of the situation, this is certainly the first time I have been pulled up about it, so thanks for being so open, but I think it is sad when you could have asked me on Sunday when I saw you and I would have told you privatly what I am now sayin publicly, again I have no problem with this.

I have been involved in Sunday sessions in Beverley for about ten years now and probably attended more than even Rog, who I met when he first came to Beverley. I do attend all the sessions in Beverley as often as I can supporting live music and like others I have to travel from Hull to do it, and sometimes even cut short familly commitments to attend all your sessions.I do the same at festivals and at Whitby for the Filo sessions, this for no reward except for the pleasure of keeping music live.

If people have a problem with this situation I am quite happy to withdraw from being the organisor of the first Sunday at "Monks Walk" and let some one else run it - free beer and all.

They also might like to take over my spot at the Beverley Festival in "Monks" when I look after upwards of 120 people all day making sure everyone gets a turn, again if there is bad feeling amongst us lets get it out in the open and then we can adress it.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 07:39 AM

Oh, and just to show that i have nowt to hide I will make an announcment at the next "Monks " session about me getting free beer, how does that suit you?

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Les from Hull
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 08:13 AM

Well it's not news to me. Like I said before it's entirely up to the landlord or landlady and it's very welcome when it happens. Maggie and I have had a free drink in Monk's when running the iced gems sessions at the Beverley.

But I'm sure that we're in the same boat as Mick. We'd be there anywhere (but like Mick says it's an additional commitment to run a session each month) and anything provided by the pub is very welcome, but not the reason for going.

Les

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 09:04 AM

I have to PAY Ged to let me play my mandolin at The Woolpack sessions.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Nick
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 09:15 AM

I, for one, have always appreciated the way you run the sessions you run Mick and if the pub deems it fit to give you free beer then you are more than welcome to it as far as I am concerned. Why on earth anyone should be concerned about it beats me.

The way a session - singaround - whatever is run is as important as the venue, the beer, the food etc etc because the way it is run is the thing that decides whether people return to it. I know the places that I return to and I know the places I don't and probably the two main factors that determine that are the people who go and the way it is run.

Anyway you're a very moderate drinker if I remember... :)

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: The DeanMeister
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:51 AM

Blimey, somebody seems to have upset Michael! For the record, I started up and ran the original first sunday session for some 5 years, most of that time being spent at Nellies. In all that time I was not paid a penny, or a pint.

Beer was offered first by the landlord of the Sun, and then The Monks Walk, as an incentive to take the session there when the previous venues had become unsatisfactory for various reasons.

In those days, the first sunday session was responsible for in excess of a thousand pounds extra being taken over the bar, so a little reward was always welcome. Regulars may recall I used to ensure that everone who gave a song/tune got a pint.....?

Keep singing, guys


Pete

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:05 PM

Just to clarify. Steve, then landlord of the Sun, was prepared to give up to 40 free pints for a Sunday session and around two dozen on a Tuesday evening.

It wasn't my own free beer as organiser that I turned into tickets but was intended for the whole crew because, as Pete so nicely put it, the session was worth around £1000 extra over the bar to the licensee.

As Mick also says, the Monk's session came about about because the Sun was closed when Steve left and it happened to be Mick's session that week. I don't think that even Mick drinks 40 pints on his own on a Sunday and I can't see the pub being able to give everyone a drink - times have got very bad economically for people who run pubs.

Personally I am happy to pay for my beer in the Monk's and, if the landlady wants to give a pint or six to the organiser, more power to him.

The folk scene in Hull/Beverley would be a lot poorer place without Mr McGarry so please don't go upsetting him over a few free pints - i think that he is worth it at the very least.

Rog

ps

We also now run our Tuesday slow session in The Monk's and that came about because the Sun was closed when we turned up one Tuesday evening and Lorraine kindly took us in.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:28 PM

And he's a nice guy too

R

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: oombanjo
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:41 PM

As you all know my, soap box is, live and free music, I also stand against whatever government puts tax on my freedom to sing or play, THIS IS THE BIG ISSUE "PRS not an issue" However the issue of free beer has been muted, it's my feeling that if the landlord wants to give free beer or food, to either the Host or the supporters it is their right. I have had the offer of free beer and have not accepted, But I have had the odd free pint and welcomed it, to me it says that the landlords are happy to continue with their support of live music, Lets not knock down what has taken 15 years to build. Keep music live and friendly. I may be away for the next two weeks, hope to see you all soon,Best to all Oombajo

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 02:27 AM

Thanks for your positive comments and support chaps.

Oh, and for guest m/j's further info I did get a free pint from an ex landlord of the "Sun" recently, that was singing at his request "Roll the chariot along" you know the one with the chorus "a pint from the landlord wouldnt do us any harm.........."

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:40 AM

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Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,guest wisprin chris
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:09 AM

Its nice that some venues due give out beer or other enducements to promote custom at thier pubs .I like to recieve these as its nice to be appreciated .However its up to the landlords what they give & who to.I attend the singerounds for my pleasure & due not begrudge what anybody gets out of it.I think its just jealousy to wing on about what other people are getting

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:14 AM

Ultra-sensitive as usual Chris.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 05:52 AM

Bob Dylan couldn't have put it any better

R

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,M.G.John
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:07 AM

I could not agree more Chris.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,monks regular
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:21 AM

let me get this straight then.

Pete ran sessions for nothing or shared his free beer with the regulars.

Roger did the same.

misissipi does for nothing at all.

MICK KEEPS ALL THE FREE BEER FOR HIMSELF.

you will not see me in monks again. That is just plain greedy.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: GUEST,monks regular
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:35 AM

lets see how long before it is before my post is delleted.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: the one
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:48 AM

or any where else for that matter,MICK is the past present, and I hope the future.this world will be a lot colder if MICK WAS NOT PART OF IT, I THINK WE ALL SHOULD PAY HIM FOR HIS SESSION HE MAKES EVERY BODY ELSE'S LIFE RICHER. LOVE PIP.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:36 AM

Well" Monks regular" you will be a sad loss and I would not wish your post to be deleted for the world, who are you by the by, singer musician or just a shit stirrer?

Maybe you could run the session for the few pints I get?
As Rog says the deal from the landperson in Monks was a few free pints for the organisor not everyone, but by your comments you have done your homework on that aint you?

I was just wondering when the rest of the begrudgers would come a creeping out the woodwork.Any more while we are still on the same subject?

Oh and me offer still stands if any out there think I do this primarilly for free beer please, please, please with my blessing take over, or better still travel fron Hull to Beverley at your own expense every Sunday for ten years supporting other peoples sessions and then tell me I do it for the few pints of beer I get once a month.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: ossonflags
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:38 AM

Thanks John, Thanks Pip you is me main man.

Subject: RE: Beverley - Sun Inn
From: Nick
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 09:05 AM

How about a tag wrestling or boxing match at the next Monks session and people could fight for the beer?

Or perhaps a competition for the person with the smallest mind?

Could always just abandon the singing and playing and form a committee instead. What a bunch of bollocks.