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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Jun 13 - 08:27 AM 2nd try No, LH, greggie boy uses hamsters and duct tape. But he must have run out of duct tape, from his recent posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Jun 13 - 01:49 PM When John F. Kennedy delivered his "Ich Bin Ein Berliner" speech in front of the Branden"burg Gate on June 26, 1963, 450,000 people flocked to hear him. Fifty years later a far more subdued invitation-only crowd of 4,500 showed up to hear Barack Obama speak at the same location in Berlin. As The National Journal noted, "he didn't come away with much, winning just a smattering of applause from a crowd that was one-hundredth the size of JFK's," and far smaller than the 200,000 boisterous Germans who had listened to his 2008 address as a presidential candidate. JFK had a clear message when he came to Berlin a half century ago – the free world must stand up to Communist tyranny. 24 years later, President Reagan stood in the same spot famously calling on the Soviets to "tear down this wall." Reagan's speech was a seminal moment that ushered in the downfall of an evil empire, and gave hope to tens of millions of people behind the Iron Curtain. It was a display of strength and conviction by the leader of the free world, sending an unequivocal message of solidarity with those who were fighting for freedom in the face of a monstrous totalitarian ideology. In stark contrast to that of his presidential predecessors, Barack Obama's message on Wednesday was pure mush, another clichéd "citizens of the world" polemic with little substance. This was a speech big on platitudes and hopeless idealism, while containing much that was counter-productive for the world's superpower. Ultimately it was little more than a laundry list of Obama's favourite liberal pet causes, including cutting nuclear weapons, warning about climate change, putting an end to all wars, shutting Guantanamo, ending global poverty, and backing the European Project. It was a combination of staggering naiveté, the appeasement of America's enemies and strategic adversaries, and the championing of more big government solutions. There was little in this speech that advances US interests, or makes the world a safer place. Completely missing from Obama's address was a call for the West to stand up to the rising threat of Islamist militancy, the defence of Christians facing huge levels of persecution and intimidation in the Middle East, strong condemnation of Iran and North Korea's nuclear ambitions, and any criticism of growing authoritarianism in Russia. The president paid lip service to the NATO alliance, which has proved critical in preserving Europe's security for over 60 years, but made no call for the alliance to be strengthened in the wake of waning support and investment in Europe. President Obama's words may well have pleased his German government hosts, content to see a United States whose ambitions as a military power have been significantly clipped since George W. Bush left office in 2009. But Barack Obama underscored again why he is no JFK or Ronald Reagan. In front of the Brandenburg Gate, Obama sounded more like the president of the European Commission than the leader of the free world. It is never a good sign when a US president parrots the language of a Brussels bureaucrat when he is supposed to be a champion of freedom. Obama's distinctly unimpressive speech in Berlin was another dud from a floundering president whose leadership abroad is just as weak as it is at home." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100222637/barack-obama-bombs-in-berlin-a-weak-underwhelming-address-from-a-flound |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 20 Jun 13 - 02:38 PM "CHRIS MATTHEWS: So here we have a president who is really talking back to the United States by talking to the kids of Europe -- the youth, well educated kids of Humboldt University, down the street there about Gitmo. Why do they care about Gitmo? Well, they do. EUGENE ROBINSON: They care a lot about Gitmo. They care about that as a symbol of -- MATTHEWS: Why is he talking to them to get to our students, our kids, our young people? ROBINSON: Well, there is an echo here. remember the speech before the election when he spoke to 250,000 people, in Berlin. And one of the things, one of the hopes that they and a lot of people around the world invested in President Obama was he would end a lot of the Bush-era policies that were condemned around the world, literally. It's very important stuff to people to end the torture and Guantanamo. MATTHEWS: Even the wars. ROBINSON: That was a huge symbol of all of that. And there is disappointment that he hasn't, that he hasn't done it. MATTHEWS: Is that because, Howard, they sort of in a cartoon way thought African-American Democrat, he's a man of the simple left like a lot of those students are? HOWARD FINEMAN: That's right. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jun 13 - 03:01 PM Little things amuse little minds...so, is the message, "Let's be small'?? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 20 Jun 13 - 08:19 PM And still more blogoshit from BullshitBruce - will the horseshit never end? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 20 Jun 13 - 08:51 PM It's all he knows... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Jun 13 - 08:55 PM Hey!..Blogs have opinions...some are good opinions, in regards to the facts, and some you might not agree with....it doesn't mean the person shouldn't be quoted, just because it's a 'blog'..I mean, if somebody had something to say, that was really good, shit, you'd repeat it?..wouldn't you..just like if you said something on here that was worth....aw, never mind... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 20 Jun 13 - 09:51 PM If one uses a blog as a "reference" then one is academically responsible for its content... Some folks don't even read the blog... We know the folks I am talking about... So these people just fire them off, probably unread, because they know that that blogger thinks like them... That is dishonest and lazy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 12:08 AM Good thought!!! Can I quote you? gfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jun 13 - 08:25 AM Bobert, " That is dishonest and lazy... " What is truly lazy and dishonest is to claim that an entire group is racist because they disagree with you. I have never like the policies of Obama- but because he is Liberal, not Black. I have never liked the liberal policies of other Democrats. Your use of " TeaKK'r" is offensive, racist, and unfair- but to expect a reasonable level of fairness from a Liberal seems to be beyond any chance. +Some+ people who oppose Obama's stated policies are racist- and +Some+ of those who voted for him did so only because of his race- hence they are racist as well. But to claim that ++Any one++ who disagrees with Obama is racist is unreasonable, as many of us opposed the ++Same++ policies when put forward by lily-white liberals. Yet ++You++ play the race card, while supporting the personnal attacks of someone who has stated that he reads "Black, and a Democrat" as the same as "dumb Ni**er". You are working very hard to lose what respect I had for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 21 Jun 13 - 09:16 AM "Respect"??? Hahahahaha.... (Now Bobert goes back to ignoring bb...) Bye again... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jun 13 - 09:20 AM Bobert, You really are acting like a scumbag- You and greggie boy are made for each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jun 13 - 09:50 AM You really are acting like a scumbag BeardedBullshit is talking to himself again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 21 Jun 13 - 10:01 AM Ignore the troll, Greg... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jun 13 - 10:06 AM Still working on getting you more duct tape, Greggie boy. Just hold on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 11:46 AM Well I never liked him from the first nominating convention, because he was, to me, just another jive-time liar..and I thought it was pretty obvious...and very surprised that he was even nominated...but then the other viable was alternative was Hillary....and THAT surely wasn't much of a choice...Jive-time liar vs Corrupt corporate liar!....hmmm, which one will I choose?..let me see...which one will convince me that they are for the 'little guy'....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 13 - 12:10 PM "Jive-time....." Well, I think that tells you all you need to know about why Goofy REALLY hates Obama. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 01:51 PM Don, you're late...this discussion already happened before, and it ended with my post of Jay Carney, using the same expression at a morning press briefing.... Bad try, ya phony! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 01:54 PM Here, nitwit....and look at ALL the headings! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 01:59 PM ...actually 'Jive' originated in the Jazz musical world, and jitter-buggers, asshole! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 02:03 PM ...and then there is this 'racist' pig......dream on idiot! GfS P.S....in other words, shut the fuck up about shit you know nothing about! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jun 13 - 02:16 PM Obama hits a wall in Berlin By George F. Will, Published: June 20 The question of whether Barack Obama's second term will be a failure was answered in the affirmative before his Berlin debacle, which has recast the question, which now is: Will this term be silly, even scary in its detachment from reality? Before Berlin, Obama set his steep downward trajectory by squandering the most precious post-election months on gun-control futilities and by a subsequent storm of scandals that have made his unvarying project — ever bigger, more expansive, more intrusive and more coercive government — more repulsive. Then came Wednesday's pratfall in Berlin. There he vowed energetic measures against global warming ("the global threat of our time"). The 16-year pause of this warming was not predicted by, and is not explained by, the climate models for which, in his strange understanding of respect for science, he has forsworn skepticism. Regarding another threat, he spoke an almost meaningless sentence that is an exquisite example of why his rhetoric cannot withstand close reading: "We may strike blows against terrorist networks, but if we ignore the instability and intolerance that fuels extremism, our own freedom will eventually be endangered." So, "instability and intolerance" are to blame for terrorism? Instability where? Intolerance of what by whom "fuels" terrorists? Terrorism is a tactic of destabilization. Intolerance is, for terrorists, a virtue. It is axiomatic: Arms control is impossible until it is unimportant. This is because arms control is an arena of competition in which nations negotiate only those limits that advance their interests. Nevertheless, Obama trotted out another golden oldie in Berlin when he vowed to resuscitate the cadaver of nuclear arms control with Russia. As though Russia's arsenal is a pressing problem. And as though there is reason to think President Vladimir Putin, who calls the Soviet Union's collapse "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century," is interested in reducing the arsenal that is the basis of his otherwise Third World country's claim to great-power status. Shifting his strange focus from Russia's nuclear weapons, Obama said "we can . . . reject the nuclear weaponization that North Korea and Iran may be seeking." Were Obama given to saying such stuff off the cuff, this would be a good reason for handcuffing him to a teleprompter. But, amazingly, such stuff is put on his teleprompter and, even more amazing, he reads it aloud. Neither the people who wrote those words nor he who spoke them can be taken seriously. North Korea and Iran may be seeking nuclear weapons? North Korea may have such weapons. Evidently Obama still entertains doubts that Iran is seeking them. In Northern Ireland before going to Berlin, Obama sat next to Putin, whose demeanor and body language when he is in Obama's presence radiate disdain. There Obama said: "With respect to Syria, we do have differing perspectives on the problem, but we share an interest in reducing the violence." Differing perspectives? Obama wants to reduce the violence by coaxing Syria's Bashar al-Assad, who is winning the war, to attend a conference at which he negotiates the surrender of his power. Putin wants to reduce the violence by helping — with lavish materiel assistance and by preventing diplomacy that interferes — Assad complete the destruction of his enemies. Napoleon said: "If you start to take Vienna — take Vienna." Douglas MacArthur said that all military disasters can be explained by two words: "Too late." Regarding Syria, Obama is tentative and, if he insists on the folly of intervening, tardy. He is giving Putin a golden opportunity to humiliate the nation responsible for the "catastrophe." In a contest between a dilettante and a dictator, bet on the latter. Obama's vanity is a wonder of the world that never loses its power to astonish, but really: Is everyone in his orbit too lost in raptures of admiration to warn him against delivering a speech soggy with banalities and bromides in a city that remembers John Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner" and Ronald Reagan's "Tear down this wall"? With German Chancellor Angela Merkel sitting nearby, Obama began his Berlin speech: "As I've said, Angela and I don't exactly look like previous German and American leaders." He has indeed said that, too, before, at least about himself. It was mildly amusing in Berlin in 2008, but hardly a Noel Coward-like witticism worth recycling. His look is just not that interesting. And after being pointless in Berlin, neither is he, other than for the surrealism of his second term. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 21 Jun 13 - 02:24 PM Wow, do you kiss BB's ass with that mouth? Yeah, you probably do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 21 Jun 13 - 02:36 PM Hi folks. I just tuned in, and have perused the posts (no way I could read them all). Amidst the 'if I can't dispute the message attack the messenger' posts are some pretty interesting stuff. Let me introduce myself as a full-fledged 'liberal'. That's in accordance to the definition of 'liberalism' (from Wikipedia: "Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property." (although at times I might take issue with the 'private property' aspect.....as I have tremendous respect for a lot of Marxist ideology). That being said, I really do want to get a good sense of what Obama is and isn't doing.......is he the fraud that Little Hawk and Guest From Sanity suggest? Or is he really doing his best but is stymied by a hostile congress (as per Bobert, Don Firth and others). So here is a challenge that, if met, I would find really helpful. And it's all in the spirit of Liberalism (so my apologies to Bearded Bruce who doesn't like liberalism). Pro-Obama people: Give me a link to an article by an Obama critique (particularly one from the 'conservative' faction that you respect (even if you don't agree with it). Anti-Obama people: Give me a link to an article by an Obama supporter (preferably a good 'liberal democrat') that you respect---again, even if you don't agree with it. I promise to read them......and hopefully it will enlighten me. -Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: beardedbruce Date: 21 Jun 13 - 02:50 PM Larry TRG, It is not so much that I do not "like" liberals, it is that those here who represent the liberal viewpoint seem unable to have a reasonable discussion. When I am attacked for my views, but the views are never discussed, debated, or any information provided to give me reason to rethink those views, I tend to think those telling me how wrong I am, without ever debating the facts, are bigots and scumbags. ANd since your post is the first reasonable one from an opposing viewpoint, up to now I have judged the liberal viewpoint by those who have represented it here. No one else has said otherwise, and they certainly claim to do so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 13 - 03:56 PM That was quite a little wall-eyed fit, there, Goofball! Proves my point. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: number 6 Date: 21 Jun 13 - 03:58 PM This is interesting ... well, for those that may be interested. "hypocrite of the century" Of course Bobert will pigeon hole Clare Daly as an Irish red neck. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 04:19 PM Cool article, biLL.....not far from my own criticisms. As to Larry, Now this might sound weird, but during the elections, when asked on Mudcat who I would have supported, I thought a Dennis Kucinich/Ron Paul ticket would have gotten my vote..or a Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket..either way. Don, Are you referring to your ignorance of the word 'Jive'...You don't have a point to prove...neither one of us even don't even know what you're talking about.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 04:25 PM Here, Larry, take you pick.... ...and then go on to the next page... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Greg F. Date: 21 Jun 13 - 05:28 PM I tend to think those telling me how wrong I am, without ever debating the facts, are bigots and scumbags. Yo, BullshitBruce: What's really amusing, considering all your ranting and raving, is that you can't see that you epitomize what you're complaining about. And speaking of bullshit, the chances that you would ever possibly "rethink your views" based on mere facts - however presented - are something less than zero. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 13 - 05:30 PM Goofball, I was hanging with jazz musicians—some of whom were black— when you were still too little to find your own butt with both hands (you probably can't do it even now without consulting an anatomy chart first). The term "jive" referred to various styles of music and dancing in the 1920s. There was no general agreement on what it meant, if it ever referred to anything specific. It was used by some by jazz musicians in a very general way early on, and then it was later incorporated into black teenaged slang, and is included in lists or dictionaries of "Ebonics." Only jive turkeys like you seem to have missed that one. Unhip, man! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 21 Jun 13 - 05:51 PM Guest from Sanity: I looked up a bit of information on your two preferred 'candidates'. Dennis Kucinich looks really fascinating. I'm curious how he gets hired (and why he would go along with such a recruitment) by Fox News. He certainly has an impressive 'liberal' track record. But Ron Paul looks pretty scary to me! Global warming as a hoax? Anti-choice? A libertarian who doesn't want homosexuals to have the same liberties as others? Sorry....can't go along with it. While I do respect people who go along with their conscience (which appears to be the main Obama criticism---that either he doesn't have the guts to do what he believes in, or he is just saying the 'right' things even though he doesn't believe them).....some people's 'conscience' ends up being a consciousness of oppression of some. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 21 Jun 13 - 07:24 PM This thread is so big that it's taking too long to load on my computer, so I'm going to leave. If any of you feel I'm doing a hit and run, no problem----there's an insults thread you can use. I've enjoyed dropping in, and learned a bit about American politics. I'm sure there are and will be lots of other related threads that my computer will access a lot more quickly. -Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 13 - 07:26 PM Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul on the same ticket? Dennis Kucinich. Ron Paul. 'Nuff said! Dennis Kucinich is a Classical Liberal. I would have voted for him in a very short minute (in preference to Barack Obama) if he had been on the ballot as a viable candidate. He's intelligent, with it, knows where his towel is! But if he were elected President, with the current Congress, he wouldn't be able to do any more than President Obama has. These clowns would fight him tooth and nail on everything, just as they have Obama. Perhaps even moreso! Ron Paul is a hard-charging Libertarian (he insists that the members of his staff all read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged!). Even if he does run on the Republican ticket. To anyone who knows anything about the political position that Ayn Rand advocated, and is currently being advocated by the Libertarian Party—and by Ron Paul—if HE were elected, it would be time to emigrate to Alpha Centuuri! Unless you are VERY, VERY RICH!! And Goofballupagus thinks the two of them would be the ideal ticket!!??? What more does anyone need to know about Goofy's political savvy and general intelligence? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Jun 13 - 11:50 PM I didn't say they would be an 'ideal' ticket....but would have voted for it. "By the time a man is nominated for the Presidency, he's no longer fit for the job."---Adlai Stevenson Oh, and your worm wiggling out of calling me a racist, because I used the word 'jive' was not quite even close to a feeble attempt of anything. I guess it was your way of re-affirming to the audience that you 'hung out' with some black musicians..Oh, how very noble and 'liberally tolerant' of you............My first real working band was all blacks....and I've played various types of music through the years WITH black musicians...and nobody gave a shit..it was about the music, and the sound....not the 'too hip for the room' image for our 'so-called liberal' approval...don't give a shit about that, either! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 21 Jun 13 - 11:59 PM The way you use the word "liberal" as a term of contempt and your endorsement of Dennis Kucinich indicate that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Or some other bodily orifice. I didn't "hang out with black musicians." I knew (and know) a lot of musicians. And some of them are black. YOU are the one who keeps making race a big issue. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jun 13 - 12:05 AM And I'm not "wiggling out of calling [you] a racist." That's essentially what I AM calling you. YOU are doing the "wiggling." You're not fooling anyone, Goofy. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 22 Jun 13 - 08:39 AM Kucinich/Paul. What would they have called that, the Liberaltarian ticket? Jeesh. Thomas Jefferson had reservations about running for president because he believed that gaining the office would make him "a constant butt for every shaft of calumny which malice and falsehood could form." I think our most excellent, if imperfect, President Obama can relate to that. Now carry on BB and Goofus, you toxic little men. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jun 13 - 11:05 AM 'So-called liberals' are not liberals, at all, they're bullshitters, you know the type, the ones who call names instead of presenting a salient argument or exchange of real ideas.....you, know, people who want to pretend to care, but really only want to call attention to themselves.....explain it Don! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Jun 13 - 12:46 PM 2990 posts- Time to retire an old, tired thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jun 13 - 01:03 PM Since Goofball doesn't have the slightest clue as to what a real Liberal is, his use of terms like "so-called liberal" is meaningless. I'm with you, Q. This thread has long since passed it's "sell by" date and Goofball is starting to smell pretty rancid. A Kucinich / Paul ticket? Why not put Gandhi and Mussolini on the same ticket? Makes about as much sense! Fare thee well. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 22 Jun 13 - 01:15 PM I agree, Don... Kucinich and Paul have nothing in common... They at opposite ends of the spectrum... Kucinich believes that government should help people and Paul believes it shouldn't... Kucinich would have built the interstate highway system... Paul wouldn't... Kucinich would make changes to keep Social Security and Medicare acsolvent... Paul would abolish them both... Kucinich would push for a livavble minimum wage... Paul would do away with it... Kucinich is a supporter of labor unions... Paul would kill them... I mean, maybe other than agreeing on decriminalizing pot and getting out of Iraq, these to guys couldn't be more different... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Don Firth Date: 22 Jun 13 - 02:21 PM So much for Goofy's knowledge of politics. ZILCH!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jun 13 - 07:38 PM "Kucinich and Paul have nothing in common... They at opposite ends of the spectrum..." This present administration and the American people have nothing in common... They at opposite ends of the spectrum..." Monsanto riders giving them exemption from health and environmental damages cased by their GMO's???..It's been pretty well covered on the other thread..someone explain to me why the 'bait and switch'(formerly known as 'hope and change') GfS P.S. ..and don't bother saying I 'hate' someone, because I asked the question...just answer it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 22 Jun 13 - 08:20 PM You are so wrong, GfinS... Obama just won a convincing re-election... Oh, maybe you hadn't heard??? What you do is ***cherry pick*** without doing the research... Maybe you'd like to do a little research on Monsanto rather than post stuff that is part of the Obama-Hate-Brigade talking points... That means not clicking onto right winged hate sights but actually researching what Obama has said about Monsanto in the whole... Not Monsanto as part of a larger piece of policy where there is no line-item veto... Yes, knock yourself out learning the truth... Try the Washington Post and New York Times... Even though they aren't the liberal rags that you and your Republican buds sday they are you can find in depth stuff in their archives that better resemble the truth... That is, if the truth means anything to you at all... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Jun 13 - 11:54 PM Now isn't that what I just asked for on the GMO thread...and NOBODY came up with ANY study, nor could they find Obama's rationale for doing it. The obvious one is that he was doing it FOR Monsanto....when asked 'Why' not even you came close to being able to understand why..and you said as much...matter of fact you voiced disappointment in him. same thing when Clinton signed off on the repeal of Glass-Steagal ..nobody MADE him do it...or Hillary voting FOR going to war with Iraq, nobody MADE her doing it. Or Eric Holder's repeated lying before the Congressional committees, including the one on 'Fast and Furious', nobody MADE him do it, or Susan Rice lying to the U.N., did some one MAKE her do it..or 'suggest' it? Then the liberals, 'so-called' and real ones tend to favor the U.N., right?....so get up and lie your face off to them??? Now the first thing that blurts out of a liberal's mouth is, "Hey, Bush did it too!"....yeah, I agree...even got Powell up there lyin' right along with them....so, does that make it 'right'?..or 'excusable'?..OR does it mean BOTH parties are doing it????...and every time, I say, "Both parties are doing it"..you just say, "Yeah, that's what the Republicans are saying..blah blah blah..but the TRUTH is, that they BOTH are, in fact, doing the same shit! ...which in my estimation, is they are doing the same shit, for the same people who are telling them to...OR, at least for the same agenda...this is not rocket science...the history is the same...just the names and the 'talking points' have been changed, to protect the 'innocent'(?)!!! Now as much as you'd hate to admit it, what I just posted, and you just read, is true, plain and simple....and I am in no way a Republican, nor a Tea party member, nor Democrat...nor do I have ANY motive to deceive you. I can't say that I really even have a political agenda, other than, 'Back off!'...and stop fucking with the Constitution, and our rights, to accommodate some corporate interest. In government, the governed people SHOULD be the top priority....I don't see that, and haven't in YEARS! (recent, or other-wise, or either 'party')....but they both prattle on about their policies, as if they are trying to sell the public, that whatever fraud they're shoving at us, is for our good, whether we even know what the fuck it is!!..SHIT..They're signing massive bills without even reading them!!!..what kind of shit is that???????...and then if I object to such a stupid practice, of voting and signing onto bills without even reading them, and being offered exemptions for your state, if you vote for it, some mutant gnome, starts in with, "oh you're just don't like him because he's black'...and NO, I just object to the stupid practice, of voting and signing onto bills without even reading them, and being offered exemptions for your state, if you vote for it. This is NOT doing the will of the people....shit the people didn't know what was in this shit, let alone the over paid fuck-brains that engaged in those practices. (Dennis Kucinich actually read it, and was NOT in favor of it, as it was...even he gave into the pressure, a big disappointment!)...and somehow, some of you think this is just OK! ..not to mention all the scandals conveniently breaking out, now thought it's been going on for years, BOTH parties. This is not a Republican/Democrat issue...as much as it is their problem, because they both allowed it to happen, and get so far out of control, that it is now being accepted as 'business as usual'..and on the news yesterday, we've got domestic drones keeping big brother's eye on us here at home, too...and NOW you'll make excuses for why it is OK...until the incumbent's party affiliation changes in Washington...then it's the 'dirty other guys'. ....and I still can't find a liberal (forget the 'so-called' varieties), who can justify all this, as being good for our nation, regardless of party occupying the administration. If the Dems are doing it, fine..but if the Republicans are doing it, even if it is a program started by the Dems, then it's the dirty, nasty Republicans. THIS IS FIRST CLASS STUPIDITY!!..is it not? Well, enough said..at least it stuck to the topic of the thread! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: GUEST,gillymor Date: 23 Jun 13 - 08:51 AM Thank you for that cogent analysis, Goofted One. Allow me to summarize it as many here may not be able to appreciate your subtle reasoning. Here' my take: Obama corrupt blah, blah,blah...Obama stooge of the bankers blah, blah, blah...all liberals hypocrites blah, blah, blah...Democrats same as Republicans blah, blah, blah...old washed-out leftwing hippie folksingers too obtuse to comprehend your brilliance...blah,blah,fucking blah. There I think I nailed it and I didn't even read it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 23 Jun 13 - 09:21 AM Yup, all blow and no go, gillymor... In other words??? Normal for GfinS... Doesn't want to learn anything new... Reminds me of the people back in the early 1900s who refused to ride in an automobile... Just didn't want to learn or experience anything new... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 23 Jun 13 - 09:21 AM Oh, and... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views: the Obama Administration From: Bobert Date: 23 Jun 13 - 09:22 AM ...3000... B;~) |
