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What's the weather like where you are?

Susan A-R 09 Aug 01 - 09:36 PM
Firecat 10 Aug 01 - 07:33 AM
gnu 10 Aug 01 - 08:00 AM
guinnesschik 10 Aug 01 - 09:00 AM
Pinetop Slim 10 Aug 01 - 10:06 AM
Hollowfox 10 Aug 01 - 10:44 AM
ard mhacha 10 Aug 01 - 01:02 PM
DancingMom 10 Aug 01 - 08:45 PM
Jeep man 10 Aug 01 - 09:18 PM
freda underhill 17 Jul 04 - 06:36 PM
Cruiser 17 Jul 04 - 06:52 PM
Ebbie 17 Jul 04 - 10:11 PM
Alaska Mike 17 Jul 04 - 10:41 PM
mike_in_st_c 17 Jul 04 - 11:08 PM
freda underhill 18 Jul 04 - 02:40 AM
John MacKenzie 18 Jul 04 - 03:39 AM
JennyO 18 Jul 04 - 04:02 AM
Sandra in Sydney 18 Jul 04 - 09:10 AM
GUEST,jacqui.c 18 Jul 04 - 09:55 AM
ThreeSheds 18 Jul 04 - 12:11 PM
GUEST,Anne Croucher 18 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM
Amos 18 Jul 04 - 12:50 PM
Bill D 18 Jul 04 - 01:03 PM
Joe Offer 18 Jul 04 - 11:43 PM
Joybell 19 Jul 04 - 12:05 AM
Mary in Kentucky 19 Jul 04 - 12:06 AM
GUEST,John O'Lennaine 19 Jul 04 - 03:11 AM
Metchosin 19 Jul 04 - 03:54 AM
Hrothgar 19 Jul 04 - 05:29 AM
Joybell 19 Jul 04 - 08:22 AM
Rapparee 19 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM
Alaska Mike 19 Jul 04 - 10:16 AM
Rapparee 19 Jul 04 - 10:56 AM
Ebbie 19 Jul 04 - 11:41 AM
Joybell 19 Jul 04 - 09:02 PM
Rapparee 19 Jul 04 - 10:27 PM
Joybell 20 Jul 04 - 08:49 PM
TS 20 Jul 04 - 09:22 PM
mg 21 Jul 04 - 01:02 AM
Metchosin 23 Jul 04 - 11:33 PM
masato sakurai 24 Jul 04 - 05:22 AM
Alaska Mike 24 Jul 04 - 10:11 AM
Sweetfia 25 Jul 04 - 07:38 AM
GUEST,crazy little woman 25 Jul 04 - 08:04 PM
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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Susan A-R
Date: 09 Aug 01 - 09:36 PM

YUCK!! It is a friggin' godawful time to be a chef!!!! I survive by arriving at the kitchen at 6 in the morning and doing all of the cooking by 10:30 or 11 It's a bit slow as no one wants to eat much. sitting at the computer, dripping sweat, no breeze, whine, whine, growl, whine . . . . What is this?? 90 in the SHADE, in VERMONT?? whine, whine, whine. . .


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Firecat
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 07:33 AM

Hollowfox, please swap! It's even worse now. I was kept awake by a thunderstorm last night!


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:00 AM

Not one blade of green grass anywhere in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada. Someone swap us some rain. We've been getting 35C and 50%RH. Roofing crews are pulling off at noon because the shingles are like a skating rink. Today's humidex is forecast at 43C. I can't imagine some of the heat and humidity described above. How do people work in 95F/95%RH or 115F !!??


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:00 AM

Well, at least we have that lovely cripsy leaf smell to look forward to, if the heat doesn't singe your nose hairs....


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Pinetop Slim
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:06 AM

101 degrees F on Thursday, Aug. 9, hottest day ever in August since the Attleboro, MA, water department started keeping track of these things in 1938.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:44 AM

We had rain last night and this morning, and it's much cooler. Thanks, Firecat, your drought is in the mail.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:02 PM

So sorry for all you good hot people in the US, it is a nice 65 Degrees in Lurgan Ireland, just walked my dog around a lovely Lough and he enjoyed a nice swim, the luxury of being able to go for a walk. When I was in the States I found the weather good training for Hell.Slan Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: DancingMom
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:45 PM

Good training for hell is RIGHT ON TARGET! It's STILL 103 in Richmond, VA, and humid, hazy,and just obnoxious. This is worse than being cabin-bound with a house full of kids in the dead of winter. (bitchbitchbitch) But, Ah! Nine P.M. Friday night, and what do I hear? Thunder? Be still, my heart, it's THUNDER!! Sharon (leaving now to go sit on the porch.)


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Jeep man
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:18 PM

North Carolina Mountains.

The heat lays on the land like a heavy wet blanket which can not be removed. The sultry nights make me long for the crisp cool air of autumn.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: freda underhill
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 06:36 PM

Its freezing cold, with wild winds blowing, snow on the Blue Mountains, rain, trees are being blown about, dogs flying down the street - its Bad weather here in Sydney.

freda


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Cruiser
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 06:52 PM

That weather sounds good freda.

Here in southwestern Arizona it is a relatively cool 108 degrees with a monsoon dewpoint of 56 degrees. Muggy, sweaty, and cloudy, but it does not rain (we desperately need rain).

Cruiser


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:11 PM

We've had an odd summer- entirely too much sun. Last month we had a record breaking 8 days in a row of 80plus degrees. One day we even hit 86! The humidity was down, which helped.

Then the last several days we've had warm, sunny weather again. Keep in mind that Junea, Alaska, is in a temperate rainforest- if we didn't get rain, we'd have to call it something else. Texas, maybe.

Today we're back to the misty, silvery, soft air that I love, with wispy clouds clinging to every crevice and curve of the mountains all around. The top of Mt. Roberts is lost in clouds that in most places would indicate a smoking volcano.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:41 PM

My wife and I spent today at San Diego's Sea World. Beautiful warm sunshine, dolphins spashing water all over us as we watched the show from the second row. Water rides and Mexican food filled out a wonderful day.

I'm a little sunburned, but I'll live. Besides, tomorrow I'm heading back over to Amos' house for some more beer, food and folk music. 5 more days here until we head back to Anchorage. This is a great place to spend a couple weeks, but it will be good to be back home.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: mike_in_st_c
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 11:08 PM

My wife and I just got back from Tobermory on the peninsula between Lake Huron and Georgian Bay here in Ontario. Rained most of the time. Saw reports of flooding in Peterborough, ON. Of course as we were driving back to St. Catharines, it was sunny. Cloudy, cloudy, cloudy. Off and on rain in St. Catharines and Niagara Falls. Good for the grape vines, I guess.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: freda underhill
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 02:40 AM

Ebbie, your beautiful description of Junea, Alaska, (in a temperate rainforest) has just blown all my ideas of what Alaska is like..

its great reading about the hot & cold in all these places.. just had coffee with a neighbour who has just driven back to sydney from Victoria (further south) - they drove through 60k of snowfields from Yass to Goulburn in NSW - so Thats why we're so cold here!


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 03:39 AM

Well I just re-read my original post from 31 July 2001, and it's deja vu all over again [tautology] We've just had the wettest June for 36 years, and July is heading down the same path. Our summers here are definitely getting wetter, with the sunshine hours down by a long way, plants in my garden suffer from wind burn regularly, and that never used to happen in summer. It's true what they say, "The world's going to hell in a hand basket"
Giok


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: JennyO
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 04:02 AM

There are such severe snowstorms in some of the snowfields that they have had to close quite a few skilifts.

High winds here in Sydney, roofs off buildings, trees down, the harbour is too rough for the Manly ferry to run, there is snow in places that have not seen snow for years. More storms, rain and wind expected for the next couple of days too. The Weather Bureau has put out a warning for "Hazardous Winds and Damaging Surf Conditions". Well, we DID need rain.

Meanwhile there are floods in New Zealand, and two people have died.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:10 AM

bit nippy today - winter has finally started. I've been sitting around elegantly dressed in track suit & dressing gown!

we had a bit of rain in the last few days, after a very dry June (1 day with a few spots of rain, if I recall properly.) Lots of Drought Declarations around & Sydney's dams are very low, we have had water restrictions most of the year.

the climate is changing?

sandra


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: GUEST,jacqui.c
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 09:55 AM

I'm at my daughter's in Newark England for the weekend. It's warm and a little windy, but it keeps threatening to rain - only a few spots so far though.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:11 PM

In the words of the Bard Formby "Eeeh turned out nice again"


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: GUEST,Anne Croucher
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:37 PM

Odd really - every day I wake up and think something along the lines of 'turned out nice again' as I look out of the window - I don't pull the curtain across the middle of the bay window as it faces the street and is not overlooked - our house is the tallest and at the top of the slope - it is on a ridge so the ground drops away both sides. Downstairs in the back there is a wall of green, apple trees, the loganberry, a grape vine, a holly tree, upstairs we can see Poole harbour between the houses further down the slope, and the Purbeck Hills beyond.

Here on the South coast of England the climate is mild, snow is usually just a few flakes once or twice a year, and it melts on contact with the ground. We have a few storms, but nothing that would ever make me think it is a miserable day. The positive energy of a storm makes me want to go out and dance, but most days the sun comes out for some of the time - maybe its like the half full/half empty glass - my days are as sunny as my own disposition.

Anne


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 12:50 PM

The skies are a clear cerulean blue, with a few traces of white here and there, and the day promises to be warm, as most of our days in San Diego are. Today we are having a FolkenSplurgen here, a gathering of a clutch of local Catters and folkies for beer, burgers and singing. Alaska Mike is in town, so I ma glad he uis getting a smaple of our nicest weather. I look forward to the day!


A


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 01:03 PM

windy and wet in Wash DC...has been a VERY wet Spring & Summer so far...with last year being one of the wettest years on record. We got two days with no rain, so I went out & mowed grass, but it was so deep that it was still damp from LAST rain, so it gummed up the inside of mower. The plus side is that it is a bit cooler than usual on average...(but the humidity never slacks!)

3 years ago, we were ending a drought...I guess I'll take wet.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 11:43 PM

We were hiking in the Sierra today. I'd say the temperature was a comfortable 80 Fahrenheit (27 C.). It was 90 at home (33 C.), so we were glad we were at a higher elevation. The wildflowers in the Sierra this year are the best I've seen - reds and blues and purples and oranges and whites - all in a sea of various shades of green.
There were still a few patches of snow in the Sierra.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Joybell
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:05 AM

Oh! The wildflowers of the American West! I've always wanted to see them. Perhaps next year we might! We're saving like mad. True-love would like to see his old homeland again one more time. We're plotting our course in the hope of it all woking out! Joy


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:06 AM

Today was nice, 80's F, cool breeze. Last Tuesday night we had a severe thunderstorm, the one that rode the jet stream all the way across Indiana and Kentucky, 80-mile-an-hour winds. I was caught out in it, did some stupid things, but survived. We were without electricity for three days, many homes in Kentucky have been out for a week.

We've also had an extremely wet Spring and Summer. My garden, the first I've grown in ~25 years, is doing well. I've been picking three 40-foot rows of beans nearly everyday for several weeks. I've made over 30 quarts of bread-and-butter pickles, and I already have two pumpkins that are several feet in diamter!

Joe, I'd love to see the wild flowers there. One of my favorite Charles Kuralt episodes was of fields of flowers.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:11 AM

The Blue Mountains, just west of Sydney, snow Sat. night but since then just cold, wet & miserable.

My wife tells me it's some freak conditions bringing cold from Antarctica in unusual quantities. To be honest it's no colder here than most winters, but I believe the snow has gone to places where it doesn't normally go, and there have been some very strong winds in Sydney.

Meanwhile there are some pretty ugly bushfires in America, and floods in New Zealand, I hear.
Reminds me of last time I posted to this thread.

John


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Metchosin
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:54 AM

Fire hazard extreme here in the hills of Metchosin on Vancouver Island. The temperature has been in the mid 80s for a couple of days, but has cooled tonight to a comfortable 66. Weather forecast is for showers or a possible thundershower. Sure hope the forecasted rain does more than just wash the dust off the cedars and swordferns, but I won't hold my breath. Its always dry here in the summer, it's the unusually dryer winters, the past few years, that is most worrisome.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Hrothgar
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 05:29 AM

Clear fine days, cool mornings, temperature range about 6 to 20 degrees Celsius (about 42 to 68 Fahrenheit).

The glorious silver wattle is fading, and we need some rain.

Another bitter winter in Brisbane.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Joybell
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:22 AM

Alaska Mike, Amos, Have they got Sea Otters at San Diego's sea world? Just wondering Joy


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM

80s to 90s. Yesterday we had OVER TWO (2) INCHES OF RAIN in less than a hour! Flash flood warnings then, and today from 3 to 9 pm. This is the second weekend with a delugic downpour. Not that we don't need the rain, but I'd rather it came in a gentle soaker over several days.

They say that there is a moist front and a drier front colliding over us.

Wildflowers. They're spectacular! Pale yellows, azure blue lupines, deep yellows, firey Indian paintbrush, purplish fireweed, all against the silver-green sage. Sometimes a magpie will flash black and white among them, or a red-winged blackbird will flit along. Even a golden or bald eagle or a kestrel can sometimes be seen. The best time to see them is probably mid-June. (And for a real treat, see Craters of the Moon National Monument in flowertime. All that dwarf buckwheat and such against the lava and basalt -- fabulous!) Maybe I'll see if I can have some pictures posted.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:16 AM

Hi Joybell, I didn't see any Sea Otters at Sea World. They had a cute river otter named Opie that performed in a show with 2 sea lions named Clyde and Seymore.

We saw dolphins, pilot whales, orcas, sharks, sea lions, penquins, polar bears, and so many different kinds of fish it staggers the imagination.

But if you want to see sea otters, you will have to come visit Alaska. They are still quite plentiful and easily spotted on any of the many sight-seeing cruises that venture out past the coastline.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:56 AM

Ya gotta go here, Joybell. Last time I was up that way they had a video camera out on a island where the only inhabitants were sea lions. You could watch 'em from your hotel room, too. See Seward, see sealife, see?

It's only my poor opinion, but EVERYONE should visit Alaska, and NOT on one of those bloody damned cruise ships! Fly to Anchorage and rent a vehicle! Plan your trip in advance, dammit! You don't let someone else play your concerts, do ya? So why are you going to let them plan your trips? (I'm a bit vehement about that, perhaps.)


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 11:41 AM

We have a pod? family? collection? of river otters that we can watch go about their business out on the wetlands dike trail in Juneau. And as Alaska Mike said, sea otters can be found in many different spots (One Christmas day I watched three or five- hard to tell- cavorting in Gastineau Channel right here at home) and reliably so in the kelp beds in the Hoonah area. They look like nothing so much as huge upside down Cairn terriers.

I'm originally from Oregon and I do like Oregon. It's just that I like Alaska better.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Joybell
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:02 PM

I saw Sea Otters off the coast at Big Sur. One of the highlights of my life. We were passing through. Too poor to actually stay at the place. We watched one banging clam shells on it's special rock that it held in it's arms. Then it floated on its back eating the clam. I was entranced.
Mike and Rapaire thank you for the information. We do plan to hire a car. Alas! we'll be a bit restricted as to where we can go - because of the cost and because True-love will probably never be able to visit again. He has a dear friend in New Mexico so that's where we'll be heading. We will try to see lots of wild places on the way. I am keen to see desert wildflowers and grassland areas. Also as many Mudcatters as possible - wild or otherwise! If they are willing. We are looking at April next year so there's time to plan it all. Joy


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:27 PM

Fly to Seattle. Whoop it up with folks like Deckman there. Drive across to Spokane and on into Idaho, stopping to party with Rangeroger up that way. On into Montana (by the way, you're sort of following the Lewis and Clark trail when you hit Idaho from Washington) and take I-15 down south. Stop by Pocatello here; I'll probably be able to find a place for yout to sleep and we can always water the soup.

Keep on South, through Utah and into New Mexico. From New Mexico, cross into Arizona and into California. Amos is in San Diego. Northward along the California coast; lots of folks around San Francisco. Onward through Northern California (don't forget to see the redwoods!) and into open mike/Joe Offer country. Portland has a bunch of 'catters, and north of there is Seattle again. A short flight from Seattle is Anchorage.

A few thousand miles, a few months -- what the heck, eh?

Oh, yeah -- brucie's just up the road in Alberta, and there are the western Canadian 'catters, too.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Joybell
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 08:49 PM

Sounds wonderful. We don't mind watered soup. I'll check out our possibilities closer to the time. Meanwhile those photos are so good, Rapaire. Thank you. I'm keen to see wildflowers against lava and rocks. And wildlife of all sorts. Cheers Joy


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: TS
Date: 20 Jul 04 - 09:22 PM

sticky and hot at about 30 C in Saskatchewan...with yet another severe thunderstorm and tornado warning which is yet to prove true....Slainte!


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: mg
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 01:02 AM

Absolutely perfect in Long Beach, Washington. Probably 80 degrees this evening, cloudless skies, perfect sunset. I found my sandles in my car and had a swim suit so I went to the beach and splashed in the surf for the first time this year. It's shameful how we don't take advantage of our own places..people come from all over to visit the beach here and I haven't been going at all since I moved farther away from it. mg


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Metchosin
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 11:33 PM

It's too damned hot here on Vancouver Island. It's after 8:00 PM and it's still in the 90s.........bitch, bitch bitch...whine...whine...This is not normally a climate where air conditioning is required, but I sure would appreciate it tonight and so would the dogs. I think we'll probably sleep in the basement, to try and find some relief. Wait, I think I felt a breeze cropping up now, off the Sooke Basin, which might cool us down by midnight. Oh dam! it's gone again.

I popped in on my 84 year old Mum this afternoon, to see how she was faring and it was 96 degrees inside her wee mobile home, but it was hotter than that outside. I did manage to talk her into having a sponge bath and got the place more comfortable, by getting more air moving with her bathroom fan and the fan over her stove.

Its supposed to stay like this for another day or so, before we get back to more seasonable temperatures in the mid 70s. Fire hazard still extreme, promised rain, awhile back, only settled the dust.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:22 AM

Nearly or around 100 degrees F every day in Tokyo, but I can survive without air-conditioning.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 10:11 AM

I'm finally back in Anchorage where the high temps are in the mid 60's F. San Diego was sunny and warm with lots of things to do, but its good to be home. Partly cloudy today, chance of showers, nice breeze to keep down the skeeters, its a perfect day.

Mike


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 07:38 AM

Shit, at the moment. Thursday nighgt was horrible, it went from almost warm to a complete downpour, and the sky turned from clear to black in about 10mins. Then friday it was absolutely sweltering. And then over the weekend it's just been raining.

I wish the weather would make it's bloody mind up!!!


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:04 PM

The Canadians have shipped some life-saving cool air down, and it's heavenly. Temperature maybe 75, blue sky, white puffy clouds, flowers in bloom, birds twittering.

Kansas City has such extremes of weather, and now it's extremely beautiful.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: GUEST,kk newyorkcity
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 11:50 PM


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: C-flat
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 02:47 AM

We have a word which sums up the British weather perfectly, "changeable".
Some years ago I worked for a large import company selling cheap novelties and gift items. One such item was a barometer/clock which was a popular seller wholesaling at around £5. It wasn't untill I dropped one in the warehouse that I noticed that the only working part of the barometer/clock was the battery operated clock, the barometer was just a dial with a glued-on plastic needle set to "changeable".
I have often imagined how many people have tapped the face of their barometer/clock uttering "Changeable again Doris!, we'd better take an umberella, just in case!"
In the U.K. there's not a more accurate barometer!
C-flat.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: s6k
Date: 29 Jul 04 - 06:33 PM

i want a big fat thunderstorm


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: Naemanson
Date: 29 Jul 04 - 09:43 PM

A year and a half ago I was scraping ice off of my windshield and muttering about how cold my feet were. Now I live in a tropical paradise with palm trees, ocean vistas and mountains on the island of Guam.


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: harpgirl
Date: 11 Aug 04 - 10:17 PM

still...humid...menacing...two storms coming!


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Subject: RE: What's the weather like where you are?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Aug 04 - 10:21 PM

Surprisingly cool for August in Alabama. I had on long pants and a sweatshirt this morning. First time since maybe April or May that I wasn't comfortable in shorts and a t-shirt.


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