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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Nov 24 - 05:46 AM > an additional 10% tariff If your only tool is a hammer .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 26 Nov 24 - 06:59 AM I do not know if opioids are State sponsored by China to poison the USA. I am sure China remembers the British opium wars well. China may be sending drugs only for profit or maybe just for death and destruction, or both. The Mexican/Columbian drug cartels were losing money due to the fatal doses of Fentanyl so they have reduced the Fentanyl content and recently fewer deaths are reported in the US due to drugs. Some say NARCAN is responsible for the drop but only slightly. The southern drug cartels are all profit motivated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 26 Nov 24 - 07:03 AM Dave. the usa justice system Presumption of Innocence; Proof Beyond a Reasonable Doubt It is a cardinal principle of our system of justice that every person accused of a crime is presumed to be innocent unless and until his or her guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt. The presumption is not a mere formality. It is a matter of the most important substance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 26 Nov 24 - 08:44 AM Now that Trump has received further assurance that he's above the law expect his criminal behavior to kick into a higher gear. His packed SCOTUS and weeny GOP congress aren't likely to offer much resistance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Nov 24 - 08:54 AM That is only applicable to cases that are tried, Dick. If they are not tried the burden of proof does not even enter into it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: robomatic Date: 26 Nov 24 - 02:11 PM Regarding China and drug trade: I was once bicycling in Eastern Massachusetts and stumbled upon a small museum (of the American China Trade) that was being maintained in a sea captain's former house. The docents there were very hospitable and in telling me of the nefarious trade where the British and Scottish companies sold Opium to the Chinese, one of them bent low towards my face and said: "WE had 10% of that trade!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 26 Nov 24 - 03:27 PM The presumption of innocence is not as fundamental as some believe! The presumption of innocence is considered "reversed" when a legal provision shifts the burden of proof to the defendant, meaning they must actively prove their innocence instead of the prosecution having to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt; this is often referred to as a "reverse onus" clause and can be seen as a violation of the principle of "innocent until proven guilty.". Key points about a reversed presumption of innocence: Reverse onus provisions: Laws that explicitly state the accused must prove their innocence on a specific element of the crime, often requiring only a "balance of probabilities" standard instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt." Impact on fair trial: A significant concern with reversed presumption of innocence is that it can undermine the fundamental right to a fair trial, as the accused may be convicted even if there is reasonable doubt about their guilt. Strict interpretation: Courts generally scrutinize reverse onus clauses carefully, and will only uphold them if they are deemed necessary and proportionate to the crime in question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 26 Nov 24 - 04:12 PM There are more martial law exceptions as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 27 Nov 24 - 04:43 PM Herd mentality and herd immunity has its costs. Let me count the ways; Measles, polio, small pox, dengue fever, covid, women's health... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: keberoxu Date: 27 Nov 24 - 06:26 PM robomatic, I saw that America/China museum back in the day. My most vivid memory is of a portrait of a woman with bound feet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: robomatic Date: 27 Nov 24 - 07:20 PM I remember very elaborate 3 dimensional wallpaper. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Dec 24 - 10:17 PM The Trump folks had been going after Hunter Biden during the first Trump term, and when Joe Biden was elected he did the presidential thing and let the courts handle the essentially stage-managed case against his son (the special prosecutor in that was a Trump republican but he let it run its course). Now that Biden's leaving office Trump will continue to try to make an example of anyone who displeased him. Joe took the matter out of Trump's hands by pardoning his son, after saying he wouldn't. But as he was saying it I think no one imagined that Trump would be coming back to the White House and all justice is forgotten. I hope Biden is privately writing pardons for all of the Congressional folks who handled to January 6 hearings, because Trump has said he'll go after them also. Make it a pocket pardon - kept under wraps unless it becomes necessary to reveal it. I'm thinking Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff, Cassidy Hutchinson, and others. Other things he could do to really piss off Trump: commute the sentences of all of the federal death row prisoners and destroy the federal death house. Trump made a big deal of putting a lot of folks to death in his last six months. Biden could step down and make Harris the 47th president of the United States, if only for 2 months. Wouldn't Trump blow a gasket over that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Dec 24 - 07:42 AM One of the things Biden could do is to make a really big deal about handing over office in a dignify manner really laying into the lack of dignty when he too office himself on the turnip's part. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 02 Dec 24 - 10:31 AM More negativity |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Dec 24 - 12:40 PM ”More negativity” And that is itself a negative comment. How about you give us some positives? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 02 Dec 24 - 12:59 PM Can a president commute the sentences of death row inmates, or can he only pardon them, which could see them freed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 02 Dec 24 - 01:04 PM A link from the Guardian exposing the corruption of the Bidens that this is coming out is a positive https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/01/joe-biden-pardons-hunter |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Bill D Date: 02 Dec 24 - 06:18 PM Oh phooh! Hunter Biden WAS convicted on counts that would get just a fine if the Rpubs hadn't pushed it for politics. Trump has already promised to pardon all those' "patriots" from Jan. 6th. Read Joe's complete statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 02 Dec 24 - 07:38 PM Other things he could do to really piss off Trump: is silly talk. If this isn't sarcasm, it is rare that Stilly doesn't resonate with me. America reminds me that 'winter is coming' in a very Game of Thrones manner. The biggest difference is that there will be no global unification to oppose the foe be it; global climate, nuclear wars, or oppressive punishing fascism. Idiocracy may involve an assault by loyal sycophants to defund the FBI, let loose epidemics of measles and other controllable virus, and intentionally blinding Intelligence agencies to things like Putin waiting for a Trump White House to use nuclear weapons out of desperation of monumental losses. I expect the ground to shift under the feet of NBC, CNN, CBS, and independent journalists. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Dec 24 - 11:34 AM Meanwhile, the pundits are going round and round about the Hunter Biden pardon. There is some virtue signalling from a few Democrats who think Biden should have stuck with his pledge not to pardon his son, because "Democrats are better than this." Those same Democrats are delusional if they think Trump would have left Hunter alone after Joe leaves office. But Jon Stewart has simply suggested the timing was the problem. Jon Stewart Thinks Biden Could Have Timed That Pardon Better “Normally, you drop a controversial pardon like the way you buy porn at a gas station: in a flurry of other distracting purchases,” the “Late Night” host said. “Thanksgiving! I knew it! Perhaps I can explain the way this pardon went down in my new one-man show, ‘Can You Get Hunter to Stop Looking at Me Like That?’” — JON STEWART |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 03 Dec 24 - 12:39 PM I do not think Trumps isolationist policies will work. I also think that his policies re drug smuggling might incur the wrath of the mafia I predict he will be assasinated |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 03 Dec 24 - 01:01 PM To a liar, the most dangerous individual is the person who catches lies but doesn't say anything about it. Then the liar isn't sure which lies are compromised. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 03 Dec 24 - 06:34 PM James Carville says that these lightning rod appointments are the brainchild of Tucker Carlson, not Bannon. They are deliberately designed to be abnormal and wrath-inducing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 04 Dec 24 - 03:06 AM Matilda told such Dreadful Lies, It made one Gasp and Stretch one's Eyes; Her Aunt, who, from her Earliest Youth, Had kept a Strict Regard for Truth, Attempted to Believe Matilda: The effort very nearly killed her, And would have done so, had not She Discovered this Infirmity. For once, towards the Close of Day, Matilda, growing tired of play, And finding she was left alone, Went tiptoe to the Telephone And summoned the Immediate Aid Of London's Noble Fire-Brigade. Within an hour the Gallant Band Were pouring in on every hand, From Putney, Hackney Downs, and Bow. With Courage high and Hearts a-glow, They galloped, roaring through the Town, 'Matilda's House is Burning Down!' Inspired by British Cheers and Loud Proceeding from the Frenzied Crowd, They ran their ladders through a score Of windows on the Ball Room Floor; And took Peculiar Pains to Souse The Pictures up and down the House, Until Matilda's Aunt succeeded In showing them they were not needed; And even then she had to pay To get the Men to go away, It happened that a few Weeks later Her Aunt was off to the Theatre To see that Interesting Play The Second Mrs. Tanqueray. She had refused to take her Niece To hear this Entertaining Piece: A Deprivation Just and Wise To Punish her for Telling Lies. That Night a Fire did break out-- You should have heard Matilda Shout! You should have heard her Scream and Bawl, And throw the window up and call To People passing in the Street-- (The rapidly increasing Heat Encouraging her to obtain Their confidence) -- but all in vain! For every time she shouted 'Fire!' They only answered 'Little Liar!' And therefore when her Aunt returned, Matilda, and the House, were Burned. © by owner. provided at no charge for educational purposes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Thompson Date: 04 Dec 24 - 06:37 AM Ah, now. Matilda is by Hilaire Belloc. Give a writer his credit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 04 Dec 24 - 05:47 PM MY Apologies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 24 - 10:46 AM A reasonable person adapts to the world. The unreasonable person wants the world to adapt to them. Hmm, now which is Trump? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 05 Dec 24 - 11:01 AM The Winner.He won the election |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 05 Dec 24 - 11:10 AM Yes he's a winner, as in the kid's expression "pick me a winner". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 24 - 02:01 PM Exactly the day after 9-11 Donald Rumsfeld announced that the financial audit of the Pentagon could not account for 2.3 Trillion dollars. It was essentially missing. Rumors claimed that it was just an accounting error. If it was, it was monumental. Musk and Ramaswamy want to reduce waste and redundancy in government spending and remove regulations that slow down billionaires' projects. Perhaps they only want to tweet about waste and missing money. Going after the black budget of the Pentagon seems like a naive thing to do. I believe that putting the squeeze on the military would be a fool's errand. But what if they succeed and find the missing money beyond $500 toilet seats? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 05 Dec 24 - 04:22 PM he might have won but not much will change, he is just another puppeton a string |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 05 Dec 24 - 05:59 PM Win or lose he's still the biggest P.o.S on this planet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Dec 24 - 06:10 PM Not sure about that gillymor. Putin fits the bill. On a lesser scale, Farage is a complete turd as well. It's just a question of which sociopath can do most harm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 05 Dec 24 - 06:17 PM Exactly, Dave, he's going to be the leader turd of the free world again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Dec 24 - 06:19 PM On a more serious note, does Trump really think that the other power hungry creeps (yes, Elon, you at the top of that list) will do his bidding? They all have their own agendas and will stab him in the back in a flash. I think that in a year, maybe two, we will see some pretty major meltdowns. Hopefully they will destroy each other before they can do too much damage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: gillymor Date: 05 Dec 24 - 06:30 PM He does have a long history of screwing over his associates sooner rather than later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Dec 24 - 07:22 PM It's a race to the bottom with those folks, who will shaft the other sooner. My money is on Trump dumping the others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Helen Date: 05 Dec 24 - 08:16 PM I read a short, thought-provoking article by Laura Dobberstein on the website called The Register on the possible outcome of the alliance between Trump and Musk. This is the first few paragraphs: Musk and Trump to fall out in 2025, predicts analyst: Differing China tech policy agendas will send bromance into 'it's complicated' status "The CEO and founder of channel-centric analyst house Canalys has predicted that the alliance between president-elect Donald Trump and aspiring oligarch Elon Musk will unravel in 2025, putting Tesla's ability to execute on full self-driving vehicles at risk. "Speaking at the Canalys APAC Forum, Brazier said the recent US election saw 'two people elected' – the second being Musk, not vice president-elect JD Vance. "Brazier thinks Trump and Musk will fall out over China, because the former's proposed trade war against is at odds with the latter's reliance on China as a market for Tesla, as well as a source of batteries and other supplies. "Trump's promise to implement 60 percent tariffs on all Chinese goods therefore hurt Musk and Tesla. "Brazier also pointed out that Tesla's biggest factory is in Shanghai, and that Beijing gave the EV-maker the very unusual concession of not requiring it to operate a joint venture with a Chinese company. Tesla has also received subsidies from the Chinese state, and remains keen to expand its energy storage business there. "'Tesla needs batteries from China, or it cannot operate,' commented Brazier. "'But most critically for Tesla in China, they need to offer full self-driving, or they'll fall behind the innovation of the Chinese industry.' But to deliver that feature, Tesla will need to navigate China's laws around cross-border data-sharing and assure US authorities any agreement doesn't represent risk for stateside buyers. "All of this is at odds with Trump's modus operandi of 'picking fights everywhere possible as tariffs come in on China,' Brazier explained." ...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 06 Dec 24 - 03:23 AM The problems do not begin and end with Trump you have had an election that gAve you a choice of two puppets who are owned by different corporations, it reminds me of a book called The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: keberoxu Date: 06 Dec 24 - 09:00 AM Incumbent Democrat Jared Golden won his Maine district by the narrowest of margins (there was a recount). His "progressive conservatism" is worth a closer look. I've forgotten how to make a blicky (two tries - two failures), otherwise I would link to the Portland Press Herald that interviews him in depth. In a nutshell: progressive politics, conservative culture is what he practices. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 06 Dec 24 - 11:17 AM Being progressive like beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Dec 24 - 12:04 PM Whatever that link was Dick it was mangled and no one is going to want to go to a Google mail link for it. Try another route. If you were headed for The Monroe Doctrine as your note suggested, this links to the US National Archives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Backwoodsman Date: 06 Dec 24 - 12:17 PM PSA for anyone wanting to post links - here is a virtually foolproof resource kindly provided by DaveRo. I use it all the time, very easy to use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 06 Dec 24 - 12:19 PM > Being progressive like beauty is in the eye of the beholder Verily; and one man's red tape is another worker's safety measure. Give the Oikerati their heads, and we'll see the return of phossy jaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 24 - 11:26 AM Suppose a 60% tariff on Chinese goods is done. What would happen to Walmart, Target, Costco, Dicks, and all the other big box stores? This is how giant black markets arise via different source organizations. You can bet retail wouldn't take this lying down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 24 - 11:42 AM Selling tariff waivers to big retail could enrich government criminals. Picking winners and losers is a plan that could be used against Bezos' Amazon by simply NOT selling him a tariff waiver. A war among billionaires could erupt somehow. Crazy? Not as crazy as a Dr. Fauci needing a presidential pardon for protecting America from HIV deaths and viral infections. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 08 Dec 24 - 07:27 AM It turns out that Walmart, Amazon, and Temu are protected since Chinese products under $800 are exempt from tariffs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: The Sandman Date: 08 Dec 24 - 04:25 PM UKRAINE Trump meets with Zelensky, Zelensky requests negotiations. a promising start https://www.rte.ie/news/ukraine/2024/1208/1485308-ukraine-trump-zelensky/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Stilly River Sage Date: 09 Dec 24 - 05:30 PM Trump is putting his presidential cart way out ahead of his term in office. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election From: Donuel Date: 09 Dec 24 - 07:55 PM Trump will serve dessert first on day one and pardon the Jan. 6ers. |
