BS: Wild Canadian Politics

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 10:57 PM

It's not that difficult to have two completely different handles without any of the staff knowing.
Having said that, I repeat that it most certainly is not LittleHawk.
I am concerned about the mental stability of whomever this individual is though. He or she addresses me as if I should know them, is pretty damn insulting and when I check, there is no record of this person prior to this thread. Not even a "Hi, I'm new here" type of post.
I'm pretty sure most of you would find it pretty disconcerting but because we don't share the same political views, most of you seem to be okay with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 11:19 PM

Well ... that's wild Canadian Politics Jim Ladd ... goes with the territory .... but I'd say this is pretty mild compared to threads with such topics as an American election, religion (whew, that get's pretty heated) and the the big bad daddy of them all is the great Canadian Seal hunt ... man, now that one is one donnybrook of a topic.

Now ... let's get back to some wild Canadian Politkal banter here .. wake me up around the end of january.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 11:36 PM

I find it disconcerting too. Seems to me that the Joe Clones here can determine which server (in which geographical area) a post is coming from, can't they? That would at least narrow it down some.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 11:52 PM

I guess it's part of the freedom of speech, freedom of expression that they want here in the Cat ... in someways it is disconcerting, but I can see their point. Just learn to roll with it I guess. There has been worst nastiness around here, and they do step in at a certain point.

Maybe they can't determine the geographical area as the individual at issue here as he/she/it could be from outside our known galaxie ...


ok ... let's stick to the subject of the thread.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: filidh
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 12:15 AM

ps

thanks for asking, i'm new to mud cat. and to the internet
and of laddy boy had emersed himself in cvape breton celtic culture he ought to know what filidh means--but clearly he doesn't --ergo he's a poser

doesn't any one out there speak anything other than english?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:21 AM

"Well ... that's wild Canadian Politics Jim Ladd"

Looks like this spelling my name wrong thing is catching.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 07:05 AM

Heheheee... just opened a PM telling me to stop my weening (which I have) and calm MY Irish temper. It also suggested that "Coalition" might be a song for Jim Lad to pen. Could be; I am sure it would be a good one.

Carry on.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: meself
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 12:08 PM

" people in cape breton respect our democraticv institutions and are upset at their being ignored bedcause untike a poser like you they have tradition and respect their political foes"

Yeah, buddy, you clearly have great respect for your political foes. Please stop posing as the voice of Cape Breton; you're making the place and its people look really bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 01:12 PM

No way on earth that this individual is from Cape Breton, Meself.
Nothing there but decent folks the last time I checked.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:08 PM

"doesn't any one out there speak anything other than english?"

I speak Spanish, filidh. Es me segunda lengua. Esta bien?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:22 PM

LH ... usted no puede ser una lengua

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 02:47 PM

Yo soy un gran ejemplo de...de... (Dang! I can't remember the word for what comes next.) ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 03:48 PM

"Yo soy un gran ejemplo de...de... (Dang! I can't remember the word for what comes next.) ;-)"


Para el amigo sincero
Que me da su mano franca
Guantanamera, guajira Guantanamera?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 05:20 PM

The really cool thing with that song, Jim Lad, is to hear some Cubans sing it...which I have...but they laugh and roll their eyes when foreigners request it, because it has become such a cliche over the past 60 years (in Cuba, I mean).

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:16 PM

LH ... did you by any chance stay in La Habana when you where in Cuba ?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:21 PM

Ah!
The Spanish Unicorn.

I've noticed (Without introducing any "Key" words here) that the man in charge is missing from the news today.
If as I suspect, he has taken a trip overseas then I'm sure we all wish him a safe return to his family in time for Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:32 PM

Number 6 - We landed in Varadero, but I spent the visit (a week) in Cardenas, the same city that Elian Gonzales comes from. It's not a tourist spot, but I wasn't doing the standard tourist thing at the hotels. I was staying with some Cubans at a place which is sort of like a community service and teaching facility. It's run by the United Church community in Cardenas...and they are an excellent group of people, I must say. I had about the best time there that I have ever had in my whole life, and it has left me with a profound love for that country and its people.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:34 PM

"but they laugh and roll their eyes when foreigners request it, because it has become such a cliche over the past 60 years (in Cuba, I mean)."
Well when you translate the lines I chose, I can see why.


For the sincere friend
Who gives me his honest hand.
Those poor people have suffered at the hands of their neighbours since I was 5.

Never smoked a La Habana but my first cigarette was definitely a Number 6.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:36 PM

My nephew stayed in Gardenas at that place LH .... I know what you mean about those tourist compounds ... the reason I asked was that we want to go to Cuba in May ... and are on the search for some lodgings in Havana, far from the resort mentality as possible. I can appreciate and understand your love for that country.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:43 PM

Regarding those famous Havana cigars, Jim Lad...

They're still a big item in Cuba, specially for tourists, but the funny thing is that Fidel Castro himself publicly gave them up at least a decade ago (or maybe more) in order to encourage Cubans not to smoke. No one ever thought they'd see the day when Fidel stopped smoking cigars, but the times have changed. ;-)

A lot of the folks I went down with brought back a few Cuban cigars for their friends and family back in Canada. I like the smell of the things before they're lit...lovely...but after they're lit? Godawful!

All a matter of personal taste, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: bobad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 06:55 PM

I was gonna say that you guys should start a new thread on Cuba appreciation because of the drift factor but then it came to me that that's probably where much of our government is heading anyway so it's not too out of place. We will return to our kvetching when parliament resumes.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Dec 08 - 08:06 PM

Cigar smoking used to be a big part of Christmas.
Now you have to nip out in the snow for half a fag.
What is the world coming to?
I ask you.
WWJD?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 06:36 AM

"What is the world coming to?" That is the question. Is nothing sacred!???! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 06:57 AM

The Duff too!!!

The new senators include:

two former Conservative and Progressive Conservative MPs (Fabian Manning of Newfoundland and Suzanne Fortin-Duplessis of Quebec);

two former Conservative candidates (Yonah Martin of British Columbia and John Wallace of New Brunswick);

two former advisers at the provincial and federal levels (Stephen Greene, onetime chief of staff to Preston Manning, and Fred Dickson, a former adviser to Nova Scotia premier John Buchanan);

six party officials, fundraisers, supporters and organizers (Michael MacDonald of Nova Scotia; Leo Housakos, Patrick Brazeau and Michel Rivard of Quebec; Nicole Eaton and Irving Gerstein of Ontario);

three former provincial elected officials (former Conservative MLA Percy Mockler in New Brunswick, former B.C. Liberal MLA Richard Neufeld and former Yukon Party member Dan Lang).

The remaining three are the most well-known and were not previously engaged in Conservative politics. They include career broadcaster Mike Duffy, who until last week hosted a daily hour-long political show called Mike Duffy Live; Former CTV broadcaster Pamela Wallin, who served last year on the independent panel of Canada's role in Afghanistan; and Olympic gold medalist skier Nancy Greene Raine.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Beer
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:35 AM

Hay Gnu!,
Is Mike Duffy from Newfoundland?
I knew his brother Peter who worked in St. John's
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: bobad
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:44 AM

Well, Harper said he was going to reform the senate, it is certainly re-formed now.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:45 AM

The Duff is from PEI.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:48 AM

I can kinda understand them all, except Nancy Greene. Come on, now.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 09:57 AM

time for a Mars bar eh ? or is the Senate going Greene ?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 11:09 AM

While Duffy will represent PEI, (was born there) I do"t believe he lived there since the early 70's (excluding vacations, of course).

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 11:12 AM

Some reaction to the Duffy appointment:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/todays-paper/Duffy+appointment+raises+eyebrows/1107500/story.html

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 11:26 AM

Another reaction to the Duffy and other appointments:

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=7db1d777-5489-4e65-8887-8e9eb37280ee&p=1

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 01:59 PM

If someone offered me about $200k a year for life and the opportunity to voice my opinion on Canuckistan's future in public, in the media, and actually also have ALMOST a say in the legislation? Bet yer bottom dollar I would sign up!!!

The Duff should have refused? What fuckin planet did these twits come from?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 02:20 PM

His counterpart on CBC was quite giddy when being teased about being appointed in the lead up to this.
The CBC has been absolutely brutal towards this government in general.
I think the choice to appoint two CTV personalities was a bit of a slap in the face to CBC.
Mike had open heart surgery about a year ago and has not been well since.
I think this is one way of allowing the man to contribute.
I know that if you don't like the Conservatives then nothing Mr. Harper does will ever be right but the simple fact remains that to not fill the seats would have been the biggest mistake of his career as Prime Minister.
Parliament has been held to a virtual standstill with the opposition holding the vast majority of the unelected positions.
There will be at least eleven vacancies in the next year.
Once they are filled, the Senate Reform can begin and I think we are all in agreement that the Senate cannot stay the way it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 02:21 PM

I'm with ya on that one gnu !

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 02:41 PM

Well it's actually $130.000 per year, Gnu and I'm only guessing here but I'd have to say that judging by some of your comments, you probably lean slightly left of the governing party and for that reason alone are not likely to be offered a position.
I could be wrong of course.
Happy Christmas to all of you.
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: number 6
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 02:52 PM

Well Jim Lad ... maybe when the lefties get a full majority in the House of Commons there might be a couple of seats vacant in the Senate for two East Coast working stiffs such as gnu and me.

Happy Christmas to you too Jimmy. :)

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 03:34 PM

$130k? Hahahahaaaa! Give yer head a shake, Lad.

NOT to fill the seats... would have been a mistake... damn stupid he didn't do it long ago.

Reform the Senate? RUBBISH! We have an appointed Senate for a very good reason... so that mob rule is even further away from the grasp of a bunch of twits that would reform the Senate. Like I want some brain dead 18 year old kid voting my parents' old age away so that the likes of Stevie One can sell what they built to the highest bidder. I am appalled and disgusted at the very thought that wise and sage persons would be discarded in the name of greed... our elderly AND our Senators.

You may be elderly one day. Think twice before you advocate selling your ass to the highest bidder! They might just fold when you need them... and move your ass to a retirement home in hell... I hear the beds there are cheap.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 04:08 PM

Yes, the beds are cheap in hell....but it's the service there that is simply unforgettable.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 05:18 PM

Yeah, LH... it's been in the news. And that is where Jim Lad is gonna end up if Canuck politicians keep selling this country to the highest bidder. "Elder abuse" begins at home.

Respect yer elders, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 07:06 PM

And God bless us every one.
Happy Christmas, Gnu.
I see you've started without me.
Thanks Number 6.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 07:21 PM

Well, Jimmy Lad, I am four hours ahead of you... at least. >;-)

Seriously... bless all and let's keep up the banter on Canuck politics. The more we shit on each other, the better. Democracy is dee bait!

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 10:44 PM

I'm much more into informed, reasonable debate than insulting each those with differing views.
I take it from your response that you thought a barage of insults is what I was looking for when I twice before wished you a Happy Christmas.
It wasn't.
Glad you've come around just the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Peace
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 02:21 AM

Well, as a Canuck I think Harper has fucked himself twenty-two ways from Tuesday. And Alberta, staunchly Conservative politically, receives no Senate representation in his appointments? A pork barrel that isn't? Keriste. My prediction for 2009. There WILL be an early election and Harper will NOT be the new PM. Serves him bloody-well right.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 03:00 AM

And a Happy Christmas to you too, Bruce.

The man is soaring in the polls and the Liberals have shown no significant gains since Ignatieff's coronation.
Not withstanding your obvious dislike for the man and your taste for foul language, do you have one simple fact to back up your prediction?
Stephen Harper has out maneuvered the opposition and the media while at the same time gaining the admiration of financial critics at home and abroad. He is in majority territory and gaining strength.
Like it or not, most Canadians trust him to run the country's affairs.
Most Canadians consider him to be the best choice for Prime Minister and most Canadians are smart enough not to buy into the CBC "Mean Guy" caricature of the man.
When the Liberals finally do get their act together, I'll seriously consider them as a viable option. Right now, they are in tatters.
They are not capable of running the country and that is what this is about. Picking a manager.
No need to swear. No need to hate anyone. They are just business men who ask for the opportunity to play a roll in government.
You lose track of that, you lose sight of the game and any credibility you may have should you actually choose to contribute in a meaningful way to a political discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 01:03 AM

OK. Harper will not win the next election. Howzat?

Opinion polls? Right. The same types of polls show Obama wouldn't win. I won't comment further. (And Jim, Merry Christmas to you.)

1) As to foul language--hell, that was a simple expletive. I didn't start foul.

2) I have no idea why you're chewing my ass. My opinion about Harper is just that: my opinion about Harper. I don't expect you to agree, but then neither do I care whether you do.

3) I tend to treat polls with floccinaucinihilipilificatio. I put little trust in them because they don't really mean much anymore. The people they think are representative of the 'great unwashed' just ain't there anymore.

So, how the fuck was that for an answer?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 01:04 AM

PS Anytime you set your sights on starting something with me is your call. However, I'll then be the one to decide whan it stops. Capiche?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 01:10 AM

Last thing, Jim. Usually, anyone posting to me like that would receive a cursory/perfunctory 'fuck you and the horse you rode in on', because I do NOT pretend to be a polite kinda guy. Nor do I wish to be quite as verbose as you. Despite all that, I like you. Your politics however are yours. Nice words about the Conservatives will not erase the fact that they have proven themselves unable to govern. Polls or no polls.

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Jim Lad
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 01:46 AM

You're holding back.
Why not tell me how you really feel?

Subject: RE: BS: Wild Canadian Politics
From: Peace
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 02:00 AM

I love your voice and your music. THAT is how I really feel. As for Harper, he's the worst thing to happen to Canada since Mulroney. And I meant the Merry Christmas. Keep well, Jim.

Bruce

PS, "Highway of Tears" is really good, buddy. I hope to see you live at some point, because having heard your music I think you'd be dynamite in person.

BM