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Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Jan 24 - 07:10 AM Re Champagne bottles at Titanic depths: They're built strong on purpose to contain the pressure from the contents. Given that it's more difficult to make something which can withstand pressure from inside than from outside, it doesn't surprise me that the bottles have survived intact. What I'd like to know is whether any seawater has made it past the cork into the wine, which (come to think) would reduce the pressure differential; this would help preserve the bottle, if not the contents. And No, I do not volunteer as a taste-tester. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 24 - 04:49 AM Amelia Earhart's long-lost plane may have been found, says underwater exploration company Deep Sea Vision "In short: A deep sea exploration company has released sonar images of what it says is likely the wreckage of Amelia Earhart's plane. "The disappearance of the American pilot during a round-the-world flight in 1937 is one of the most enduring mysteries in aviation history. "What's next? The team that made the discovery is planning to take more images to confirm it's her long-lost Lockheed 10-E Electra plane." |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 31 Jan 24 - 10:56 AM Champagne corks are more elastic than corks for wine but the glass is stronger and is not sealed with wax. Only wire is used to secure corks to contain 4 bars of pressure. At the Titanic depth external pressure wins. So Maloc's salty champagne sounds plausible. Kudos for an ocean water landing by Amelia without having a breakup. She would not have desired to go down with the plane so DNA is probably lost. Plane confirmation is all they need now. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 24 - 02:01 PM From: Sandra in Sydney, on 22 Jan 24 - 09:03 you mentioned the Tartan found in a bog/ Interesting! I wish the article had been specific about all the dyes used to create the colours because a few decades back I used to create natural dyes, mostly from plants, to dye wool. In the article they say: "The original tartan was analysed to figure out what dyes were used to make it the colour it was, and how many woollen threads were used to make up the pattern. "They discovered that green, yellow and red dyes were used, which would have come from woad or indigo to create the green, along with other natural dyes. ....... "Tartan can be used to make kilts, or scarves, and they come in many different colours and designs, to represent different clans, or families. "Originally, clans people used local plants, mosses and berries to dye the wool." |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 24 - 05:26 PM I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but dyeing wool using natural or plant dyes is kind of archaeological because it has been done for centuries, e.g. info on this site: dyes from plants Thinking about the yellow and burnt orange/brown colours in that Tartan piece found in a bog: Some of my best results came from coreopsis, which is a roadside weed here in Oz but I just discovered this week while watching a UK TV show called Love Your Garden that it grows in the UK. I suspect it may have been brought out here to plant in gardens and then it escaped into the wild. I also managed to get a beautiful dark burnt orange type of red from it. Another excellent and reliable source for yellow and burnt orange/brown dyes is brown onion skins. The trick is that if you want yellow you put the untreated homespun wool yarn in the pot early in the cooking time, but the longer you boil the onion skins before putting the wool in, the more burnt orange/brown it gets. I had a lot of fun experimenting, back in my younger days. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Jan 24 - 09:46 PM Tonight on PBS the program NOVA is looking at the fossil remains in Egypt of the ancestors of whales. Years ago I read about whale fossils found in Egypt, and they suggested that cows might be a progenitor. Now it seems that the hippopotamus is closer to whales. It is fascinating to consider that land mammals moved back into the water (after leaving the water millions of years before). If you pull up Google Earth and search on "Valley of the Whales, Egypt" you'll land on Wadi Hitan National Park. Some of the 360o photos show fossil whales in situ. Walking whales may have contributed to the gods in Egypt - imagining what skeletons might be would be something humans thousands of years ago thought about. (Consider how dinosaur fossils might have contributed to the idea of dragons.) When Whales Could Walk (again, as mentioned in another thread, you might need a VPN set on a US IP address to watch this). "All modern whales have a pelvis, and some have tiny leg bones, too." Swimming mammals wouldn't need these, but they are there due to the ancestry. It is fascinating. After it was an ocean, the area cooled and dried and forests grew, with trees up to 150'. The animals of the region left or failed. If they survived, they learned to live in colder water. I'll be poking around Google Earth more to see if I can find some of the sites mentioned in the program. It's difficult to save coordinates in Google Earth, but they will come up in Google maps. Go figure. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 02 Feb 24 - 03:08 AM Human footprints dating back 90,000 years found on Moroccan beach ... They say they're the oldest footprints attributed to Homo sapiens to have been discovered in the northern Africa and the southern Mediterranean region (read on) Alexander the Great’s Family Identities Confirmed at Vergina Tumulus Where is Alexander the Great buried? This mystery, that has baffled historians and devotees of the legendary conqueror, might be closer to an answer, as a group of archaeologists found the occupants of three tombs, situated within the Great Tumulus of Vergina in northern Greece. A study has now conclusively identified those interred as members of the family of Alexander the Great including his father, stepmother, half-siblings, and son. Alongside skeletal remains, a wealth of artifacts and items associated with Alexander himself, including armor and other personal belongings, were also found! (read on) |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 03 Feb 24 - 03:48 AM "Culture is a powerful social tool that can create a sense of common purpose, help us accomplish great projects, or survive in the toughest conditions. It is also a concept that can easily move us to hate and attack those we perceive as being different from us," writes Ariel David in the Israeli publication Haaretz, which has an excellent archaeological section. He's writing about the Gravettians, who lived all across Europe from Iberia to Russia, 34,000 to 24,000 years ago. These are the people who made the fantastic cave paintings and the clinically obese Venus statuettes. You'd think they were the same gang. But a new study of the ornaments they made, by Jack Baker, Solange Rigaud, Daniel Pereira, Lloyd A Courtenay and Francesco d’Errico, published in Nature Human Behaviour, has found that they were a group of different peoples. On studying their ornaments, it turns out that - like Irish emigrants in America or Polish emigrants in Israel - the people making these ornaments often had greater cultural affinities with faraway places than with the place they were living in. "For example, ornamental assemblages found in southwestern France, in the Pyrenees, are statistically much closer to those from Belgium than to those much closer in nearby northeastern Spain, Baker and colleagues say. "So geographical distance was not necessarily the main factor in determining how the Gravettians decorated themselves and who they identified as being part of their group, the researchers infer. "'What we think is at work here is just this feeling of belonging to a culture,' Baker says. 'It's saying: I dress in this way, and regardless of whether my people move or migrate to another place we are going to keep that style.'" Really interesting piece. One of the illustrations, however, which to me looks like a man or woman wearing corn rows, "the Lady of Brassempouy" has it reconstructed as a woman wearing a decorative frame over her hair. Well, we shall see what we shall see… |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 07 Feb 24 - 05:08 PM Peatland ‘time capsule’ reveals prehistoric woodland habitat and insects which still exist today |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 12 Feb 24 - 04:41 PM Aylesbury Roman egg with contents a 'world first', say scientists The only intact chicken's egg found from Roman Britain is now thought to be the only one of its type in the world - after scientists found it still had liquid inside. The egg, which is about 1,700 years old, was found during a dig in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire. Researchers said at the time it was a "genuinely unique discovery". However, they admitted they were "blown away" recently to find it still contained the yolk and egg white. A micro CT scan - that produces 3D images - revealed the contents of the egg, complete with the air sac. ... It was the only egg to survive intact, with others breaking during the excavation, releasing a "potent stench"... (read on) |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 13 Feb 24 - 07:01 AM WOW |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 Feb 24 - 08:07 AM Submerged Australian Land Was Spoken of in Indigenous Myths |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Feb 24 - 12:43 PM That is interesting - In a groundbreaking revelation, researchers have unveiled the discovery of a vast submerged land to the north of contemporary Australia, that held up to 500,000 people. Submerged due to rising sea levels at the conclusion of the last glacial period, the researchers propose that echoes of this forgotten land resonate today within indigenous mythology. The old question about Atlantis - real or mythical - comes up again and again in many places. I recently started watching an old National Geographic series called Drain the Oceans that gives a look at things as they might appear were the water removed. Simple concept, I'm sure there is a lot of LIDAR and such involved. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 20 Feb 24 - 02:41 PM https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/kailash-temple This is considered to be the largest megalithic structure on Earth. It was carved out of a mountain instead of moving stones. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 20 Feb 24 - 04:20 PM wow! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Feb 24 - 06:26 PM Colombia to start recovering bounty from wreck of 18th-century San Jose galleon |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 24 - 08:37 PM Kailash looks like a huge version of Petra, Jordan. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 25 Feb 24 - 05:00 AM Wreck of SS Nemesis discovered off Wollongong coast, 120 years after it disappeared |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Feb 24 - 04:12 PM Statue of Atlas Reconstructed at Greek Temple of Zeus in Agrigento, Italy A Roman Wooden Cellar Unearthed in Frankfurt's Nida |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 01 Mar 24 - 07:49 AM The UK has so many Roman Amphitheaters you might think some could be repurposed for folk song gatherings. https://www.heritagedaily.com/2016/11/8-roman-ampitheatres-in-britain/101973 |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 01 Mar 24 - 04:46 PM 217-year-old sweater — still ‘pristine’ — found in unopened package, UK archive says Then check out the links below the article - Uncover more archaeological finds - it's a good rabbit hole!! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Mar 24 - 09:22 PM World’s Oldest Fermented Bread, Dated to 6,600 BC, Found at Çatalhöyük |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Mar 24 - 11:42 PM but wait, there's more! Magnet Fisher Drags 1,200-Year-Old Viking Sword from English River & a few more articles on Viking-era discoveries below it, like this one |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Donuel Date: 10 Mar 24 - 09:43 PM I have been looking at the Mayan language and see how the mind set of the Mayan is very different than ours. Our Western world is dualistic while the Mayans were not. For example, the Mayans saw no difference between natural and cultural. Special words signified 'neither this or that' and represented something in between like the ocean between lands. btw the way the word for water was ha aha aha. I thought it sounded funny and flowing. The point is that the mind set and thoughts of the ancients can be as curious and phenomenal as what they left behind in architecture, art, costumes, weapons and kitchens. Sandra try researching 'Sage Journals' about archaeology for some different perspectives. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 16 Mar 24 - 03:54 AM Captain Matthew Flinders Archaeologists working on the HS2 project in Euston have discovered the remains of Captain Matthew Flinders. The Royal Navy explorer led the first circumnavigation of Australia and is credited with giving the country its name. HS2 archaeologists were able to identify Captain Matthew Flinders’s remains by the lead depositum plate (breast plate) placed on top of his coffin. The discovery of his burial site among 40,000 other human remains, in Euston’s St James’s burial ground, so early on in the archaeological dig has thrilled archaeologists ... His final resting place will be in at the Church of St Mary and the Holy Rood in Donington, near Spalding, where he was baptised, and where many members of his family are buried. There is currently no set date for when his body will be reburied at the church. However, the diocese of Lincoln has given planning consent to the reburial and, now HS2 have announced the news, the Parochial Church Council is expecting to work speedily to submit the details of a suitable memorial. A specialist team from HS2 will transfer the remains to the Diocese of Lincoln for safekeeping until further burial arrangements can be made. Details of which will be announced at a later stage by the diocese. (article dated 5th October 2023) An article behind a paywall in today's Saturday Sydney Morning Herald https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/after-250-years-matthew-flinders-goes-on-his-epic-final-journey-20240314-p5fcf8.html says the funeral is going to be very soon |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 11 Apr 24 - 02:50 PM https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/roman-paintings-uncovered-pompeii-2000-years-rcna147350 |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 24 - 10:26 AM I heard something about the floor in that room - it's all white with the black walls. I don't remember if they said it a white mosaic or is it a form of concrete or laid stone? “You’re walking into a room with an all-white floor, all-black walls. I mean, that’s something that would be impressive today and it definitely was back then,” she said. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 26 Apr 24 - 10:58 PM Plato’s Final Resting Place in Athens Revealed! The revolutionary scanning and study of the Herculaneum papyri has revealed remarkable new details about the philosopher Plato, including the precise location of his burial. This significant archaeological achievement comes from a project deciphering ancient, carbonized papyri damaged by the Vesuvius eruption in 79 AD. According to a press release by, Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche, the "Greek Schools" project, led by Graziano Ranocchia from the University of Pisa, has made extraordinary progress in restoring and interpreting the section of papyrus known as, History of the Academy by Philodemus of Gadara ... read on! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 29 Apr 24 - 07:23 PM Keen explorer discovers many of Perth's shipwrecks aren't where the maps say they are Australia's earliest European contacts happened on the West Australian coastline, some ships were wrecked, & over the years more were wrecked! Shipwrecks don't really move tho debris can, & with the latest technology sites are getting more precise locations. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Helen Date: 03 May 24 - 07:39 PM Two articles about facial reconstruction based on ancient skulls of two women: Archaeologists reveal reconstructed face of 75,000yo Neanderthal woman "The Neanderthal woman's skull was discovered in 2018 in a cave in the Zagros Mountains of northern Iraq." This Australian school owns a 2,000-year-old human head. Here's what she once looked like "By Nick Baker and Zoe Ferguson for Stuff the British Stole "A NSW school has mummified human remains in its library. After years of mystery, a mix of science and art has shed more light on who this person was." [My question is: why does a school have the 2000 year old human head in their collection??] |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 May 24 - 03:38 AM an unanswerable question, Helen A Regal Hue: The Discovery of Tyrian Purple in Roman Carlisle In an extraordinary archaeological find at Carlisle, UK, researchers have unearthed what appears to be Tyrian Purple, a rare and historically significant pigment once reserved for the highest echelons of Roman society. The discovery was made within the drainage system of a 3rd century Roman bathhouse at the Carlisle Cricket Club grounds, part of an extensive excavation dubbed the "Uncovering Roman Carlisle" project. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 May 24 - 04:17 AM Famed 5,300-Year-Old Alps Iceman Was a Balding Middle-Aged Man With Dark Skin and Eyes |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 May 24 - 04:44 PM Ancient Chesapeake site challenges timeline of humans in the Americas An island eroding into the bay offers tantalizing clues about when and how humans first made their way into North America. People should be able to read this, I used one of my gift articles for the link. Here's a bit of it: Lowery’s site and others like it could revise the story again, pushing back the timeline earlier than most experts thought possible. In total, Lowery and a motley crew of collaborators have discovered 286 artifacts from the site on the island’s southwestern edge. The oldest, they reported, was embedded with charcoal dated to more than 22,000 years ago, a time when much of the continent would have been covered in ice sheets. If you're interesting this links to his ms. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 23 May 24 - 09:57 PM A different kind of ancient history: 50,000-Year-Old Neanderthal Bones Have Remains of Human Viruses, Scientists Find The preliminary analysis is a first step in testing the theory that infectious diseases played a role in Neanderthals’ extinction Scientists have detected remnants of three types of viruses in 50,000-year-old Neanderthal bones. The findings, researchers say, are a first step in testing the theory that viral infections could have played a role in the extinction of Neanderthals. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 13 Jun 24 - 06:17 AM Slain Woman Warrior Amongst a Large Burial of Medieval Knights in Guadalajara Face of Killed Pharaoh ‘Seqenenre the Brave’ Revealed Children’s Graffiti Reveals Witnessing of Gladiatorial Violence in Pompeii Greek Marines Prove Mycenaean Suit of Armor Was Fit for Battle enough! I'll let you read the other articles ... |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jun 24 - 07:03 PM A Buried Ancient Egyptian Port Reveals the Hidden Connections Between Distant Civilizations At the site of Berenike, in the desert sands along the Red Sea, archaeologists are uncovering wondrous new finds that challenge old ideas about the makings of the modern world On Google Earth it shows up as Berenice Troglodytica. Now 72, Sidebotham knew he wanted to be an archaeologist from the age of 14. When his father, who was in the U.S. Army, was posted in Turkey, the family moved to Ankara, and the teenager spent his free time photographing ruins and collecting Roman coins. After training in Cairo, Athens and the United States, he excavated sites in Italy, Greece, Libya, Tunisia and elsewhere before working on the Red Sea coast for the first time in 1980. “I just fell in love with this place,” he says. “I love the desert, the Bedouin, the sites, everything about it.” He became friendly with the local tribespeople, who showed him ruins that archaeologists didn’t know existed. “They’ll take you to places—the last Westerner was some Roman guy,” he jokes. If you find the area on Google Earth, then scroll a bit south of the named location - there is a harbor near the modern site, than kind filled in or shallow, but clearly two older harbor sites south of it. Between the two you'll notice a tiny W for the Wikipedia page you can click on for that archeological site. I can't seem grab that link from Google Earth. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jun 24 - 09:07 AM There is an older article about Berenike (the first photo is missing - I went with Internet Archive to see it - it's not a photo I would have put on the head of an article). Photos further down give you a look at a few of the trenches they've dug as they work. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Jun 24 - 06:26 PM I do like pics of sunrises/sunsets! I've taken lots of sunsets, fewer sunrises cos I'm not an early riser |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 04 Jul 24 - 09:58 AM Oldest known cave painting |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 04 Jul 24 - 10:48 AM I was reading about it - wow! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 25 Jul 24 - 04:45 PM https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-archaeologists-discover-underwater-ancient-mo World Archaeologists make stunning underwater discovery of ancient mosaic in sea off Italy |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jul 24 - 04:54 PM Isn't that gorgeous! Thanks, Bill! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 25 Jul 24 - 07:14 PM I can't read the article cos I use an ad blocker - & even if I knew how to turn it off I certainly wouldn't, but an image search on "discovery of ancient mosaic in sea off Italy" showed me lots of pics. Some were not about this site, but also interesting - Rome’s hidden mosaics which also has some interesting links. sandra (contemplating another rabbit hole, maybe a warren!) |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jul 24 - 09:56 PM Sandra, I did a Google search for other version of the image and found this. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 26 Jul 24 - 08:52 AM wow!!! It's one thing to kneel on solid earth to retrieve &/or put together ancient stuff on land, but to do so underwater is another matter! |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Aug 24 - 06:10 PM Smallest adult human arm bone fossil so far discovered points to origins of 'hobbit' In short: The remains of the smallest adult arm bone in the fossil record and two teeth, found on the Indonesian island of Flores, were dated to be 700,000 years old. According to a new study, the discovery sheds light on how the tiny, now-extinct human Homo floresiensis, dubbed the "hobbit", evolved. What's next? Archaeologists hope to find further fossils to explain why this ancient hobbit individual was so small. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 17 Sep 24 - 06:29 AM They may have found where some of our earliest ancestors - Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens - got together: the range of mountains that runs along Iran, Iraq and Turkey. |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Thompson Date: 17 Sep 24 - 06:31 AM Meant to say, I wonder what kind of songs the Neanderthal had - were they beautiful musicians? |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Bill D Date: 17 Sep 24 - 01:17 PM All we know is they were able to speak |
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Subject: RE: Armchair Archaeologist (via Google Earth) pt 2 From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 18 Sep 24 - 05:57 AM thanks for the links How Reliable are Computer Reconstructions of Ancient Faces? Cícero Moraes: Insights into the Fascinating World of Forensic Facial Reconstruction The Origins and Development of Alphabets in Ancient Cultures |
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