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Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help.
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Subject: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 16 Feb 00 - 05:18 PM All right, so I lied! I don't want songs about the damned thing, I want a recipe from someone so I can make Heather a belated Valentine's dinner tomorrow night. I know there are probably a few variations in one of the food threads, but I have to teach some music now and I just don't have time to look them up. If any mudcat friends can come to my rescue, you'll have my deepest thanks, and I promise to return to being a good cyber-citizen and not use any more misleading headers. Thanks Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rana Date: 16 Feb 00 - 05:36 PM Hi Rick, Why don't you phone Chris Aston - the TRANZAC pie guy. His Steak and Kidney pies are the best this side of the pond (- you may even get one ready made and claim how you slaved over a hot stove (actually if you put charcoal in a Dobro...) Rana |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 16 Feb 00 - 06:25 PM DISCLAIMER: I am not endorsing this recipe in any way. I have never made it, and don't plan to. I have smelled kidneys cooking! Pre-heat oven to 350. "Classic recipes for this dish often call for beef kidney. If they are used, they mush be blanched* and the cooking time increased to assure tenderness. If the pie pan is both lined and covered with crust,(which we do not reccomend) the top should be protected until the final browning with a piece of foil lightly placed over it. *Blanch--Place kidney in large amount of cold water and bring slowly to boil, skimming off the foam as it accumulates. When foam stops accumulating, plunge kidney into cold water, and finish cleaning. Cut into small 1/2" thick slices 1 1/2 pounds round steak. Wash, skin and slice thin 3/4 pound of kidneys. If veal or lamb is used, blanching is not necessary. Saute (lightly fry) the the kidneys in about 3 Tablspoons of butter or other fat over high heat for 1-2 minutes,shaking constantly. Dredge the beef strips in seasoned flour (salt, pepper, etc.)Grease an oven proof baker or pie pan. Place into it a layer of meat, then a layer of kidney.Or, you may reserve the kidney and add it the last 15 minutes before adding a pastry cover.Add 2 cups of brown stock and 1 cup of red wine or beer. Cover the dish (not with pastry, with a lid) and bake 1 1/2-2 hours. Cool slightly. Raise oven heat to 400 and cover the top of the meat with a pastry crust. Bake another 12-15 minutes. NOTE: If you line the bottom of the pan with pastry, it is likely to either become soggy or burn because of the long cooking time involved. PASTRY CRUST FOR TOP Allow 1/2 cup butter to come to room temperature. Rub it lightly into 2 cups all purpose flour, with 1/2 teaspoon salt.(Use fingers)Gradually add 1/2 to 3/4 cups cold water, mixing as you go. When the right consistency is reached, it should form into a ball but not be sticky. Refrigerate at least 2 hours, covered with a damp cloth. Roll out to about 1/4" thickness, anc cut and cover top of pie. From "Joy of Cooking" by Rombauer and Becker. Seems like a real hassle to me...... do you need the recipe for "brown stock"? |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 16 Feb 00 - 11:54 PM Add a glass of Harveys Bristol Cream Sherry to the pie gravy and let it cook in mates.. Ahhh my favourite... Yours,(can I have a piece) Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:01 AM Thanks Sorcha. Yup Dave, you're welcome for dinner. How far are you from Toronto? Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:05 AM Rick, you need ingreds. for brown sauce? Basically, it's just (beef) stock with a few veggies thrown in--bet you could use tinned or dried beef boullion (sp).Little "somethng" wouldn't hurt, but I don't know if I'd use a Cream Liquer of anything.Maybe Wild Turkey, Rye, or something like that. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: alison Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:17 AM Easier to go to your local big shopping centre.... go to Woolworths (or Canadian equivalent)..... buy a steak and kidney pack, brown it with some onions...... bung it into a ready made pastry case, (in the frozen section) with some of the gravy as descibed above... and cook for whatever length of time the pastry needs......... saves all that boiling and scooping with the kidneys..... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 17 Feb 00 - 01:10 AM Harveys Bristol Cream is my favourite sherry, Just a brand name not a cream liquer. Try it you'll like it I'm sure. Works in beef pies and pork pies too.Yours,(salivating)Aye. Dave (on lonely night watch) |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 17 Feb 00 - 01:39 AM If you are too much of a wuss to eat kidney, read no farther. When I succumb and get store bought pies, I am always disappointed upon finding only one small mangled piece of beef and sometimes a chip of kidney swimming in a sea of gravy.
I use me Mums recipe. Must be OK, because I passed it on to my friend, who was cooking for the Vesuvius Bay Pub on Saltspring Island and the following "Wednesday Night Special", had them lined up outside the door.
It's not instant, so you will require time Rick.
Snake and Kidley Pie
1 beef kidney
Cut kidney into cubes removing fat and sinew, cut beef into cubes.
In a heavy bottom saucepan or Dutch oven, add small amount of cooking oil or lard, put on high heat, sear and brown chopped beef and kidney, add chopped onion and continue cooking on medium heat. More chopped onion imparts a sweeter flavour but if you use Dave's sherry, you won't need as much onion
A good pastry for steak and kidney pie is made with lard, not shortening, as shortening will make your pastry short, not flakey.
As a time saver Rick, you can buy Tenderflake frozen pie shells, made with lard not shortening, and reroll them out to the shape of your pan.
Bake at 350 degrees (F. not C.) until crust is nice and golden. Enjoy
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 17 Feb 00 - 11:59 AM Ummm Boy, this is getting good! The only decent frozen one I ever found was "Marks and Spencers" and they've closed up shop in Toronto. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:09 PM See what happens when you lie? |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Fortunato Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:45 PM Too bad the folks from PETA aren't lookin'in. Wouldn't this thread put their knickers in a twist. But I do have a question: Are there any animal organs man will not eat? Or do I go too far? Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 00 - 12:51 PM Never heard of anybody eating "The Penetrating Male Organ"now referred to as TPMO, (except maybe Jeffery Dhaumer) |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:00 PM What the hell is PETA? And yes Forunato, considering Sorcha's post....you DO go too far.(but this is the place for it!) On the other hand, at least Catspaw hasn't seen this yet. Dare I tempt fate by making it visible again? I've made a deal with Heather...she'll get her Steak and kidney pie on the weekend, when I've had a chance to absorb this. What is S. and K. "pudding"? Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:08 PM Well Sorcha, there are "Prairie Oysters", so we're almost there. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Penny S. Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:11 PM Same meat mixture in a suet crust steamed in a pudding basin. Cover the basin with greaseproof paper folded with a pleat in the middle and tied on with string. Or foil. Or, more traditional, a cloth, dampened and floured on the inside. Or, if you have a plastic pudding basin with a lid, the lid. I always toss the meat before browning in seasoned flour, adding mustard, black pepper and a little salt, and brown the onion first. You then don't need the flour added later to thicken. Penny |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:19 PM I doubt if anyone would eat the ass off a skunk but you would have to be really hungry to try in my humble opinion. Yours,Aye. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:34 PM Those are Mountain Oysters, gal. Rick, PETA is a fanatical animal rights group. They go to dog shows and let all the dogs out of the crates, to mink farms and release all the minks (at least 95% of which subsequently died of starvation or exposure), and other ridiculous stuff like that. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:38 PM Are we talkin about the same thing Sorcha, I always associated cattle with grasslands? |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:41 PM Don't tell me you use the bedizers on marmots too!! |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 00 - 07:09 PM Yo, Met, the eastern half of WYo is grass land, the Rockies kinda angle up from the south center, up and across the center of the state. We have a lot of cattle ranches, we just talk about cows to the acre instead of acres to cows. and I LOVE calf fries. Definitely NOT the BULL fries you get in restaurants. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Little Neophyte Date: 17 Feb 00 - 07:23 PM Rick, unfortunately steak & kidney pies is not my specialty unless you would like a recipe for tofu and kidney bean pie. But I would suggest that you buy Heather a very nice bottle of white wine. I think she likes white. How about some fresh flowers with candles for the table centre piece. What are you serving for dessert? Or are you the dessert? Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Peter T. Date: 18 Feb 00 - 10:26 AM This thread is offal. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Mbo Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:14 AM Ahh...now all we need is some mashed spuds, a scoop of boiled cabbage, some Chateau Fleetstreet cooking claret from Pommeroy's and we can invite Horace Rumole over. Maybe we can get him to do some reading from The Oxford Book of English Verse. The Quiller-Couch edition. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Bert Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:02 PM I always use a lot less kidney in my pies - one quarter or less than the amount of the beef. Then the flavours balance better and the beef gets a chance to be tasted. Otherwise the kidney overwhelms it. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:09 PM Bert, I will admit that my above posted recipe was a slight over reaction to my percieved reluctance, on the part of some, to appreciate this much maligned organ.
Fortunately, beef kidney, is not as strongly a flvoured as pork kidney, IMHO, and therefore one can afford to be considerably more generous in its inclusion. However, I wouldn't use less than 1 part kidney to two parts steak, after all it is Steak and Kidney pie, not Steak with Kidney pie. Apart from swimming gravy, there is nothing worse than having said pie, only to find a few pieces of "things" in it, which one might mistake for oddly textured mushrooms. The other fortunate thing about good beef kidney, is that any questionable odor, when raw, (and more noticeable with pork kidney), disappears upon cooking. Have courage man. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:16 PM Sorry cubaJoe, I must have had a mix up in names from another thread. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:38 PM I have also noticed that the beef in England, seems to be of stronger flavour than that, which we in North America are accustomed. Perhaps because English beef, I believe, is grass fed and not grain fed, and hence, the English diet might impart a stronger flavour to the kidney.
Gee Rick, I seem to be developing a "Bloomin" obsession with organ meats. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:44 PM Now Rick, for a mere $50 donation to the Cat, I will write you an organ meat song. $5 extra for a 12 bar blues with really sneaky sexy innuendos in it. For an extra fin, ´A;ine will put it into Gaelic so you can sing it without offending anyone. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:48 PM I meant Áine, of course -- the smoler extraordinaire... |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rana Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:54 PM Dear Metchosin, If only it were completely true about grass or grain feed. It is apparent that some English cattle diet was supplemented by other things a few years back! Rana |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 02:05 PM Sadly yes, maybe Amos can incorporate something about "mad cows" into his song and to give a North American flavour, mix in a few strange "hormonies". |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 02:16 PM I have no beef with that chemistry... |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Molly Malone Date: 18 Feb 00 - 02:48 PM Ok, so would someone please explain why they are called "sweetbreads"? Sorry, but there's nothing sweet or bready about them.
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 03:38 PM The original word was in fact two words "sweet brede", "sweet" as in a "delicacy" and actually closer to the modern colloquialism now in use and "brede" as in to roast, broil or toast. Sweetbreads originally were the pancreas and the thymus gland of an animal. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:03 PM Update: Bought the steak, bought the kidneys...will read recipes carefully. Forgot what kind of booze I'm supposed to use. Will get that later. Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Little Neophyte Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:21 PM I'll just add a bit more to what Metchosin has to say about Sweetbreads. When choosing sweetbreads, pick the plump, shiny sweetbreads that have a pleasant odor and are a creamy white pinkish colour. Since sweetbreads are low in fat, they are easy to digest. Sweetbreads can be grilled, sauteed, braised, poached and fried. They can be prepared in puffed pastry, and au gratin. They are also added to stuffing. Avoid overcooking them because they tend to dry out. Don't know much about Prairie Oysters, but I can tell you how to cook brains. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:36 PM So can I Little Neo, just spend one week on the Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 08:43 PM Why beer of course Rick! and a little red wine in the pie (or sherry). |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 09:10 PM Did ya notice over on the "stuck pig" thread all the mens is talkin about how to kill the beast while we, well a higher predominance of the wimmens are over here discussin how to cook the beast up? |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Little Neophyte Date: 18 Feb 00 - 09:14 PM Metchosin, maybe what is more important than how to kill and cook the beast is whether or not you can digest and assimilate it. Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Brendy Date: 18 Feb 00 - 09:17 PM It's the old instincts we take with us from the primordial soup, I think there Metcho Must make one soon again. Thanks for the ideas B. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 18 Feb 00 - 09:22 PM Gee, as long as I have my roll of Tums with me, I can eat almost anything anyone would care to serve up. Well almost, there's them lobsters that some people like, but if one of them suckers crawled out from the closet, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: wysiwyg Date: 19 Feb 00 - 12:56 AM LOL and LMAOWROTF! How did it turn out??? Like a Canjo? Not like Yellow Paint Stew I hope??? |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Rick Fielding Date: 20 Feb 00 - 10:14 PM Thanks to all the good folks who helped make the "Valentine's dinner" a smashing success. I used bits from here and bits from there, and a dash of good english beer along with a "readymade piecrust" (didn't want to push the marginal culinary talent level too far!) Rick |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Feb 00 - 10:27 PM RF-- Bits from who and bits from... where? Not on the floor I hope? I have visions of you scrounging gobbets of unnamed flesh off the butcher's floor! Just kidding! I am sure it was great! |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Little Neophyte Date: 20 Feb 00 - 10:28 PM I have never had a man make me dinner. Take me out for really fine dining yes, but I have never experienced someone taking the time to prepare me a special meal. Maybe I've been too territorial in the kitchen. I think your gesture was very romantic Rick. I'm quite sure Duckboots appreciates that special quality in you. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Brendy Date: 20 Feb 00 - 10:46 PM WHAT!!!!!!Bonnie, you can't be serious. When I left home (ca. 22) to make my way in the big wide world, I lived on TV dinners and the likes for 6 months or so. After that I told myself if I didn't learn how to make at least curries, and other stews, I would shrivel up into nothing. I bought a reasonably digestable - 'scuse the pun - cook book, and I remember my first REAL self cooked meal was a Boeuf Burguinnonne. It turned out a bit watery (to much wine, and not enough flour), but I neither died of starvation, nor of food poisoning. After that I tried on error, still doing it, and I am renowned for Irish stew, per my mother's recipie. Cooking is a bit like music; a bit of practise goes a long way. Now I'm a Pasta, Chinese, Indian, Casserole expert IMHO. That is nobody has been poisoned to date. I'm not great at ironing shirts though. Which is why I very rarely wear suits. Been there, done that, wore the ironed shirt. Culinary unchallenged Brendy. |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Little Neophyte Date: 20 Feb 00 - 11:00 PM It's sad but true Brendy. I would love to experience you culinary talents. I guess in my world, if you want to show a woman how much you care for her, you pull out your wallet and the Toronto Fine Dining guide. Just the way it has been. Bonnie |
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Subject: RE: Steak and Kidney Pie songs. Please Help. From: Metchosin Date: 20 Feb 00 - 11:02 PM I beg you pardon dear! Are you talking about your talent or mine, Rick? I'll have you know that despite the occasional beard in my fridge, which occurs primarily on uncooked vegetable matter in the rotter (oops crisper) even my leftovers, if there are any, are considered ambrosia. |
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