Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD

Subject: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Watson
Date: 11 Sep 02 - 02:08 PM

I can't believe there has only been a passing mention of this superb CD in the forum.

James Patterson, Ralph (some would say Ralphie) Jordan and have recorded a splendid collection of tracks - some traditional, but all in a traditional vein. It's difficult to single out a favourite, but The Captain's Apprentice is disturbing enough to appeal to me, Ewan McColl's The Father's Song has surely never been sung better and Flanders and Swann's Slow Train is a welcome inclusion.

Flat Earth is from Wildgoose Records.

Now, I only need to know - who is the bizarre looking man in the waistcoat on the back cover...

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 11 Sep 02 - 03:00 PM

Like, Ralphie? (if you mean the chap on the right)

John Dipper seems to have got missed out in Watson's post. Nice CD though. (James has since found a very graphic 40 verse version of the Captain's Apprentice in a Roy Palmer anthology.)

Kitty

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Watson
Date: 12 Sep 02 - 05:01 AM

Quite right Kitty, I didn't intentionally miss John Dipper out - I knew I should have typed something after that"and".

Memo to self - remember to read posting before clicking Submit Message!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Anglo
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 10:49 AM

Just to reiterate and warm up this thread. I just got a copy (they take a while to float across the pond) and can only echo Watson's sentiment above. This is a quite brilliant recording - a nice selection of songs, mostly trad which I like very much - really nice accompaniments, mostly guitar, fiddle, bouzouki, and concertina. It's hard to express in cold print what a breath of fresh air this is on what I see of the BritTrad scene.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 01:22 PM

For those of us who may not have known about these guys, would you pelase tell us a bit more? Sounds really interesting. Any place that you know of where one could hear some clips?

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 02:41 PM

The Jordan is Mudcat's Ralphie, multi-instrumentalist who performed with James Patterson and Mick Ryan in Crows (and who is also the third Fraser sister with Fi and Jo/Freya). Ralph came across John Dipper (a very talented young fiddle and concertina player, whose father Colin and uncle Drew were resident performers at Herga Folk Club many years ago)at Whitby Folk week a couple of years ago, and persuaded James that they should form a trio. They were booked at Sidmouth festival the next year. It's a very nice CD. I expect Ralphie will fill in the rest of the story and provide info on how to hear them (this is not the time for modesty, Ralphie....)

Kitty

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Ralphie
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 03:49 AM

Alright Kitty (said he crawling out from under his duvet!)
All the above is factually correct, as far as it goes.
To fill in the gaps. James and I met in the early seventies in London.
He's got to be one of the finest singers that I've ever met.But due to having two beautiful daughters he went on "Gardening Leave" from the mid 80's until the late 90's. We stayed in touch though, and every year was going to be...THE YEAR !! Ha !
And then in 2000 I met John at Whitby...and that was that.
(BTW, John's dad Colin, is one of the two finest Concertina makers in the world IMHO.)
Not sure how to get multiple copies across the pond...ADA are distributing in the UK...or just contact Doug and Sue at Wildgoose..(Link further up the page)
But, thanks for the comments everyone. It's not often I can play back my own stuff, but.....It's on the Hi Fi (again) even as I speak!
See you all around on the New Improved Whiter than White Mudcat..
Cheers Ralphie.
Now, how to I translate this into Mandarin??!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 04:07 AM

Thanks, ya'll, esp. Ralphie, whose kindly PM I've not answered, yet. Sorry about that! I will do some checking at wild goose. I've a soft spot for anyone who shares a name with my son, Colin, so...that and the high recommends makes me eager to hear this cd!

Thanks, again,

kat

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Watson
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 11:03 AM

Well done Ralphie,
I was beginning to be upset that you hadn't made an appearance here.
This continues to be one of my favourite CDs of this year - I'd recommend it to anyone.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Anglo
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 01:56 PM

I was lucky enough to have seen Silas (Ralph & James) perform on one of my infrequent trips back to the homeland. Way back in the 70s - I was visiting Steve Dickinson (the "other" concertina man) and he said: Hey, let's go to a folk club. They were really good back then. The fiddle adds a glue to that sound that really solidifies it and fills it out nicely.

In the US the CD is carried by Andy's Front Hall, 518-765-4193 (http://www.andysfronthall.com/) . I'm sure Dick at Camsco would be delighted to sell you a copy also. Sorry I can't help with sound samples - the record company's website (Wild Goose) doesn't provide any.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Ralphie
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 02:47 PM

Thanks all...
Well, if any of you on t'other side of the pond can access BBC Radio 3 (Don't even ask me how!) Fiona Talkington is playing a track on tomorrow nights Late Junction...(Don't Know which one...hope I'm in tune !)

Broadcast times 2215 - 2400 UK Local time..
Anglo...."They were really good back then..." Nice One
At our launch party a week ago, someone came up to me and said..."Almost worth getting out of bed for....!"

Kat...PM me and we'll see what we can do..

Thanks all...off to Belgium now, back next week

Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 04:04 PM

I'd like to add my endorsement. I've played the CD on my program TRADITIONS on WFDU.   Wonderful arrangements and selections. I really enjoyed the CD!

Ron Olesko
WFDU-FM's
TRADITIONS
www.wfdu.fm

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 01 Oct 02 - 08:54 PM

Oops, it was very remiss of me not to mention how good a singer James is, how much we missed him when he wasn't around on the folk scene, and how good it is to have him back.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Noreen
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 07:26 AM

Looking forward to hearing that tonight, Ralphie dear; the CD is on my wish list :0)

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Noreen
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 06:40 PM

Two great tracks played on Late Junction so far, very impressive. Hoping for another one...
Jayne and Amanda Threlfall on atm too as a bonus!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 Oct 02 - 07:33 PM

The Captain's Apprentice, and Ewan McColl's Father's Song. (Which Fiona followed brilliantly with one of Kirsty's )

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: GUEST,GUEST. Ralphie
Date: 03 Oct 02 - 06:33 AM

And the third one was Bedlam/Annas Brudvals.....No...I didn't pay her a penny!
I might be wrong but I think the Audio is available on the Beeb website, for anyone who wants to hear it.
Oh, and Mooman, if you're out there,The Frasers and I are on some Belgium Radio show at 2200 tonight...Channel 1??
I can't PM you as I'm on route so to speak. Maybe meet up over the weekend?
See you all soon
Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 02 - 01:00 PM

Ralphie, just got my copy. THANKS!! Just listening, now, haven't got all the way through, but so far I love it!! Will post more when I've listened through a few times. Really first-rate and much appreciated.

kat

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: mooman
Date: 25 Oct 02 - 02:16 PM

Love to meet you over the weekend Ralphie (if you read this)! I think you have my details.

I'll switch on the wireless and scan at 22:00...

Best,

mooman

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 02 - 01:52 PM

I've had more time to listen to this and get to recognise some of the songs and I have to say I LOVE The Father's Song, even though it is so bittersweet. It is just beautiful. Likewise, one of my favs is Manchester Rambler, BUT I really enjoy all of them very much. Maybe Nothing Spoken is incredibly evocative.

One of the things I really appreciate is the arrangements. Raised, as I was, with classical music to folk, with my brother the classical composer teaching me to hear each part and really listen to the way music is put together, I really am impressed with how lyrical the arrangements are. I can *hear* the Slow Train, yet it is not some garish and blatant fiddle-saw like the old Orange Blossom Special; rather a subtle, soft impression which brings a wisp of a smile to my lips, remembering all of the trains I've been on and how much I loved them, slow and faster.

The M1 Waltz, I can hear the traffic, feel the curves of the road. Likewise with the other songs. The singing is first-rate and the lyrics help, of course, but it is also the very skillful playing, etc. which really makes this a superb collection.

Thanks, again! This one's going to played again, and again, and again, and...

kat

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper Flat Earth
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 30 Oct 02 - 03:56 PM

On Mike Harding's show - now!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth
From: GUEST,pavane
Date: 31 Oct 02 - 02:33 AM

I heard it - sounds good. And I also liked Everything Glows! One of Les Barker's best songs, I think.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth
From: GUEST,james patterson
Date: 01 Nov 02 - 10:57 AM

well well....just come across this thread while checking something else. Am touched and moved by your kind thoughts and comments about our little work. It's very nice to be back and singing again and I hope to see or speak to you all before too long.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: RTim
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 01:17 PM

Just wanted to resuscitate this thread as this Wonderful CD has been mentioned briefly on another thread - and to thank Mudcatter "Ralphie", if he is lurking, and his colleagues, for such a great job.
I managed to buy a copy in Oxford last year and listen to it frequently AND it is on my I-Pod!

Tim Radford
www.timradford.com

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 02:50 AM

Thanks Tim.
I think you must have got the last copy!!
It's a bit quiet on the PJD front at the moment.
James P is very busy with his job as an archivist in the Midlands.
John D is all over the place with various musical outfits (English Acoustic Collective, etc)
And I've been concentrating on the new "Old Fogies" dance band Housewives' Choice...
But, hopefully something might get moving in the autumn.
we've got half a dozen or so ideas in the pipeline, so, you never know!
Thanks for remembering us
Ralph J

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 03:21 AM

I've been trying to get hold of this CD recently, but it doesn't seem to be havable for love nor money! Even Wild Goose themelves are no longer selling it... does anyone know of any retailers who might still have a few copies stashed away?

Cheers

Nigel

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 03:45 AM

Hi Nigel.
Sadly there are no plans to Re-issue Flat Earth at the moment. It just costs too much, and we don't want to left with boxes of the buggers all over the place!!!
I'm happy (if you can find someone with it) for you to do a bootleg, and maybe give a donation to some charity or other. Good Luck with your quest (I haven't even got a copy myself!!)
Ralph J

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,redmax
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:31 AM

My CD is in the attic (the music's on the ipod) but I could retrieve it and burn a copy if you have no luck elsewhere

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 05:51 AM

Nigel.
Have just found my pre release copy of Flat Earth.
Get in touch, and I'll do you a copy!
Best way is through the Patterson,Jordan,Dipper website...(Yes, there is one!!!, hopelessly out of date I'm afraid!)
But, has an E Mail address.
Alternatively, If you are planning to go to Towersey this weekend, come and find Housewives Choice!!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 03:00 PM

Thank you both - you're gents.

Ralphie, I'll contact you via your website. I suppose this means you get to choose the charity...

Cheers,

Nigel

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 06:22 PM

Sorry. I was the nameless guest above. Must have tossed my cookies.

Nigel

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 08:04 AM

Hi Ralph, did you ever get my email re the above via the PJD website?

Cheers

Nigel

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 08:16 AM

Hi Nigel.
No. sorry, didn't get a message from you.
Am in the middle of moving at the moment, so, my copy is at the bottom of a box somewhere in Kent!
E me at [e-mail]
and I'll see what I can do...(Might be a while)
Amnesty International would seem like a good place to make a donation if you wish.
Regards Ralph

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: BB
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 05:29 PM

You could always donate it to EFDSS, Nigel. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the songs on the CD didn't come directly or indirectly through the Library there!

Good luck with the move, Ralphie!

Barbara

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive)
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 06:19 PM

Thanks Ralph, I've sent you an email. And Barbara, I might well be taking you up on your suggestion anyway at year end when I renew my subscription...

Cheers

Nigel

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Surreysinger
Date: 23 Jun 10 - 07:34 PM

I never thought I would resurrect a three year dead thread, but since in the past few years several people have mentioned this CD, and expressed a wish to get hold of a copy, I thought it might be worth mentioning that it is now available as an MP3 download on both Amazon UK (at £6.99)and iTunes (at £7.99). If you haven't heard it it comes highly recommended ... reached number 9 in the Mike Harding charts at the time. I managed to buy what was probably the last physical copy out there available on the street about 18 months ago(the vendor didn't realise that it had been deleted from the Wildgoose Catalogue at the time, and was talking about re-ordering). Having played it many times, I can personally recommend it (and, I hasten to add, that is not influenced by any degree of bias. I went to see PJD perform when the CD was released and kicked myself every afterwards for not purchasing a copy of it at the time.)
Public service announcement over!! :-)

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:04 AM

Hello all.
Just to say that the Amazon download of Flat Earth was not at the request of the band, and I have asked for it to be removed.
I regard it as theft. End.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:13 AM

Shameless promotion.
This well retired bloke is just about to release a solo CD called "ELOISE"
Basically me, playing with myself. (!)
The E Mail address above, from all those years ago, is still viable.
So, If you Love Duet Concertinas, this is for you...
If you don't.....I think Mariah Carey has got a new album coming out soon!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 10:20 AM

Ralphie can't you get some cash off iTunes? It's such a good album!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Surreysinger
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 03:55 PM

Whoops - sorry Ralphie. I hadn't realised that this wasn't officially sanctioned since it was coming through what I assumed was a reputable source. I was assuming that it would have been put up by Wildgoose with agreement from yourselves , and that you would be getting some income from any sales. Had I known that wasn't the case, I wouldn't have splurged it all over the airwaves (so to speak).My apologies :-(

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:30 AM

Hi CS....Cash? whats that?
Haven't seen a penny from the original release, let alone ITunes!!!
That's why I'm doing ELOISE from the back of my car (so to speak!)

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Anglo
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 01:19 AM

Cash is one of those funny things, especially with record companies. Since no-one wanted to put our CD out some 18 years ago, after the agreed on outfit decided to drop out of the market, we (legally, I) launched our own label. Now I owe royalties to my partner, myself, a couple of other people, and have to work out how I can keep track of download sales to work out what is due. But of course - we doing basically trad Brit music in the US - there's not that much money coming in, and not much in the yellow envelope that substitutes for my accounting system. Ralphie, I hope you have a more efficient company.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:06 AM

Hi Anglo.
Yes, It's a bit of a bummer!
I sometimes think, why do we bother to record anything at all?
Maybe I should just sit in my back yard and play for myself.....discuss!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: pavane
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 03:19 AM

Ralphie, did I hear Wogan give you a name check at the weekend? Or was it someone else?

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 05:21 AM

Well. I haven't seen Wogan since my last show 2 and a half years ago! So, I think it unlikely!
I might do a listen again!!! (Mentioned in what context?)

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,mattkeen
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:31 AM

Ralphie
Is John Dipper playing with anyone at the moment?
I haven't heard anything about him since the Methera album (lovely by the way) and English Acoustic Collective are very quiet recently

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 07:27 AM

Haven't heard from John for a year or so. Last I heard he was in Canada!

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 07:52 AM

EAC + associated offshoots) are doing quite a lot:
http://www.englishacousticcollective.org.uk/live/index.html

John Dipper said on a visit back from Canada a few months ago for a concert with Methera and KerrFaganHarbron that a new Methera recording was in preparation.

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: GUEST,guest mattkeen
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 11:05 AM

Associated offshoots are doing doing a lot but EAC have one future gig


Anyway I'm off to buy Flat Earth from itunes

Good luck with the new one Ralphie
Will that one be available by post?

Subject: RE: Patterson Jordan Dipper - Flat Earth CD
From: Ralphie
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 01:33 AM

Hi matt...Of course! And It will be available in a downloadable stylee too, hopefully.
Call me Old Fashioned, but I prefer to own a physical CD but why miss out on any sale!
Will start a shameless plugging thread when it's done...I need to make money on this one!