how were source singers influenced by revival

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 12:20 PM

Of course source singers,Became like professional revival singers accepting money for their services.
some of them unconsciously picked up stage craft[FredJordan],so the revival taught Fred how to handle different audiences,and developed him as a performer.

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 02:45 PM

Ray,
Walter wasn't in any way academically inclined; though he did read extensively, mainly the Victorian novelists like Dickens and Hardy - purely for the pleasure of a good story. He once told us that the two greatest crimes in literature were the hanging of Tess (of the Durbevilles) and the drowning of Maggie Tulliver (Mill on the Floss).
He was extremely thoughtful in what he did, particularly in relation to his resurecting his family's songs.
He was typical of working people of his generation (a carpenter by trade) who decided to educate themselves and was helped in this by a phenomenal memory.
Cap'n,
I think you'll find that many traditional singers (and storytellers in particular) already had a technique with an audience (albeit a small one developed in the home environment). In my opinion this worked best when they adapted this for a club audience rather than develop 'stage craft'.
The Stewarts of Blair (particularly Alec) was probably the best example of this.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 03:56 PM

Jim Carroll, I am telling you that Fred Jordan developed his technique,singing in a pub or at home to a few friends is completely different,from singing to a hundred people on stage at a folk festival.
Your opinion on stagecraft,does not interest me.,any more than your opinions on concertina playing,or anything else you know nothing about.

Fred Jordan was afine singer,and an excellent performer who could adapt to many environments, pub singarounds, folk clubs, folk festivals.
Performance like Music is a learning process,a good performer learns from mistakes and develops and improves,

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: curmudgeon
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 04:14 PM

On the other hand, I find Jim Carrol's posts to be most enlightening and very interesting, especially having been stuck on this side of the Atlantic during the "revival." and really wish that Jim would email joeoffer@mudcat,org and get his cookie back.

Besides, I don't think that Jim was even talking about Fred Jordan, but rather Walter Pardon - Tom

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 04:28 PM

Curmugeon
Re cookies - will do as soon as I know how to -thank you for explaining things to the Cap'n
Cap'n - what views on the concertina? I love Mrs Crotty.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: curmudgeon
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 04:41 PM

Jim - send an email message to [e-mail] and explain your situation as to cookies, membership et al. and he will send you an email with explanation of what to do - Tom

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Sep 07 - 04:42 PM

Time you two made it up!!

Ray

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 05:17 AM

Jim s posts are interesting ,but they are one persons perspective,they are not gospel,very occassionally they are inaccurate[Cyril Tawneys lack of concern over royalties/prs for his songs].
I was talking about Fred Jordan,and how he was influenced by the revival.
Curmudgeon,
Jim Carroll then replied to me, I think youll find that many traditional singers[and story tellers in particular]already had a technique with an audience.etc TheStewarts of Blair[particuarly Alec] was an example of this.
In relation to my point he didnt mention Walter Pardon.

Subject: RE: how were source singers influenced by revival
From: GUEST,Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Sep 07 - 04:57 PM

No Cap'n - I wrote 'many traditional singers' - and that's what I meant.
Jim Carroll