BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 02:20 PM

"Does Iowa have a great concentration of students from out of state?"

    "Otherwise, wouldn't things balance out, since there would presumably be local students who go to college elsewhere who would be coming home to Iowa for Christmas."


                McGrath - The problem has to do with Iowa moving their primary. The students in Iowa were probably registered in Iowa, thinking at the time they registered the primary would be later. If they are registered in Iowa now, it's probably to late to change their registration back to their home state.

                I know the University of Iowa attracts literary majors from all over the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: michaelr
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 02:29 PM

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. This is not a cynical stance, it is a realistic one.

Besides, the 2008 election has been stolen already, just like 2000 and 2004. Just ask Greg Palast.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 02:37 PM

Frank, Kucinich may indeed be totally honest about his views, but that doesn't change the fact that his views appeal primarily to the far left of the Democratic Party, and I believe most Dems, and Republicans too, are desperate to see a power shift back to the center.
For example,I don't believe that most of the electorate advocates or desires immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq, whether or not they agree with the motivation for and execution of the war. And I can't see how politically correct newspeak like "the Department of Peace" would change the fact that negotiating and keeping peace is the legitimate charge of the State Department, and that appropriate and necessary use of force should be in the charge of the sensibly-named Department of Defense. If these powers are being incorrectly applied, the solution is to reform those institutions, not create another full level of bureaucracy.
But my point is not to argue Kucinich's specific proposals. He has had a hearing at each of the debates. If his ideas were going to gain traction in public opinion, they would be doing so now, regardless of media coverage or lack thereof.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:09 PM

Never underestimate the self-defeating cynicism of some Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:11 PM

Last post in answer to Michael R.) I'm sure Greg Palast is the perfect political oracle. Or maybe not.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:24 PM

In view of what went on in the last two elections, its certainly worth looking into.

                  By the way, are they still using electronic voting machines without paper-trails anyplace?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 10:51 AM

"worth looking into", fine. 2008 election "already stolen", not so fine--and unlikely, to say the least. But more of the cynical defeatism we've come to expect from some Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 10:57 AM

Ron - Taking steps to try to promote honest elections is not defeatism. The subtitle to the "already stolen" article was somthing to the effect of: "unless something is done now."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Wins Debate Moment With Hillary
From: michaelr
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 02:48 PM

Ron, you really must purchase a dictionary. Then look up "cynical" and "realistic", and note the difference.

Cheers,
Michael