BS: Ukraine

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 12:12 PM

"A better outcome" means a demonstrably fair election. It doesn't necessarily mean any particular result. Last time round there's evidence of cheating by both sides.

One thing that's been ignored by a lot of the media - perhaps the one thing on which both candidates are agreed on is that Ukraine should withdraw its troops from Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 02:54 PM

Thats right McGrath. Both candidates agree on pulling out troops from Iraq. Seems that parliament is in agreement as well. I wish the people of the U.S. were as committed to democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Dec 04 - 05:36 PM

Democracy....Is simply another means of manipulation

Real democracy does not exsist.

The vultures are circling over Ukraine.Directed by Western pressure groups.
Does anyone think we have democracy in UK or USA or Russia .
One by one we are losing or freedoms and civil rights, before long we will be completely under the control of the state....ID cards, electronic tagging, silicone chip implants, a vision of the future far worse than that imagined by G Orwell.

That is what these young people and business men we see on TV are conducting their velvet revolution for.
A revolution of the powerful designed to enslave the vulnerable,

We in the West are now at the stage of massacring thousands of civilians in foreign lands to ensure their countries remain "democratic".

"Oh what a world welive in"....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 03:43 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 03:45 PM

The Bush Administration wants the Ukraine into NATO which means that they will be able to sell them missiles. The Russian opposition doesn't want into NATO. Anybody like to guess that Bush is not involved in the Ukraine election?

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: GUEST,Notoja
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 05:33 PM

Niech zyje wolna Ukraina!! Independent Ukraine now and forever!!!
Ukraincy - Razom was bahato, was ne podolaty!!!

Now it is time for Ukraine, and I believe that some day this will happen with Belarus and all remains of communism in eastern Europe
will be defeated. However, ther is need USA to help to this countries.
But of course USA`s goverment is afraid of what Kreml will say. All this time both European Union and USA wasn`t interested about situation in this region and thats why now there is a problem.
It is true that Juszczenko wouldn`t be the best president but better
than pro-russian Kuczma, because he is a democrate. And in real there are no so many diffrences between eastern and western Ukraine. All Ukrainians want to be together and all about any separation is only
russian wish, nothing more. And the last thing. Someone of You said that president what we want dont have to be this which want Ukrainians. Thats right but you should know that this election wasnt fair (for example in Donieck people voted many time in one name or there voted people who has died many years ago... strange, isnt it?)
eastern Ukrainias didnt have chance to know Juszczenko - in tv was only Janukowycz. Oh sorry there was Juszczenko- he was shown as a monster who will betray Ukraine and sell all mines to Americans bussinesman`s and they will close all mines in case of that Ukrainians will be unemployed.
Ok, thats it for now, sorry for my english but I hope you will understand what I have written.Narazie niech zyje Polska, Ukraina,
Bia³oruœ.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 10:59 PM

Guest Notoja, thank you for your inside perspective.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 01:44 PM

Your English is a lot better than my Ukrainian.

Welcome to the Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: GUEST,Notoja
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 04:46 PM

Thanks for greetings, however I have to clarify that I`m not Ukrainian. I`m Pole(? - you know, from Poland)so I don`t write as a
someone who is there and see everything. But I know (I think we all know that) what say Ukrainian from east and west.

Razom nas bahato nas ne podolaty - ukr
Razem jest nas wielu nas nie pokonacie - pol
Together we are many we can`t be defeated - eng

PS. Could you tell me if it is British or American site?

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 04 - 06:04 PM

The Mudcat is based in America, but there are people from all parts of the world, including a fair number from the UK. Mostly coming here in the first place because we are interested in folk music.

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: Wolfgang
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 04:08 PM

The plot thickens: The candidate of the opposition seems to have been poisoned by someone unknown before the election.

And I did smile yesterday when Putin said he does not support elections in Iraq with the US forces still being there. What has that to do with Ukraine? It was a revanche foul:

If you interfere with what I consider my elections I too can interfere with what you consider your elections.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Ukraine
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Dec 04 - 08:16 PM

It all seems to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Though which is the pot and which is the kettle, that's the thing...