BS: Peoples names

Subject: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:39 AM

Reading that thread about Nonny James I thought, what a fucking stupid name, how can you take anything seriously from someone called ' Nonny ' and then I remembered another TV presenter called ' Jonty ' and then one from wayback called ' Bunty ' and I came to the realisation that people with stupid names live up to their stupidity and all of them wherever they are should be killed immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: John O'L
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:47 AM

Thus spake Nellie Clatt

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Nelie Clatt
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:00 AM

No need to get personal John.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:07 AM

Wonder what Peaches, Fifi Tryxiebell and Heavenly Hanara Tiger-Lily Geldoff will get up to in later life?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:08 AM

Well, Zowie changed his name to Joe, didn't he?

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Paul Burke
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:09 AM

I knew a guy who registered his daughter as Sweetie-Pie Electra Violet. He was a pillock.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:07 AM

Seriously though, what sort of a name is Nonny ?


eric

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:36 AM

Well, when you want to stop them from doing something you can yell, "Hey, Nonny! Nonny! No!"

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:52 AM

What sort of name is "Nonny"?

Thanks for asking.

Nona {Latin}-the ninth {implying the ninth born child, if that child is a girl}; in Roman mythology, Nona was the name of one of the three Fates who spun the thread of life.

In compliance with the once ubiquitous practice of adding "ie" or "y" to personal names to create nicknames, "Nonny" & "Nonnie" are frequently used nicknames for "Nona".

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And since this is a music forum, though it probably has nothing to do with the personal name "Nonny", here's a 'Shakespearian' song that includes the refrain "hey nonny nonny nonny" . I can also think of at least one children's song that uses that same refrain...

"Sigh No More, Ladies..."
(From "Much Ado about Nothing")
Sigh no more, ladies, sigh nor more;
    Men were deceivers ever;
One foot in sea and one on shore,
    To one thing constant never;
       Then sigh not so,
       But let them go,
    And be you blithe and bonny;
Converting all your sounds of woe
    Into. Hey nonny, nonny.

Sing no more ditties, sing no mo,
    Or dumps so dull and heavy;
The fraud of men was ever so,
    Since summer first was leavy.
       Then sigh not so,
       But let them go,
    And be you blithe and bonny,
Converting all your sounds of woe
    Into. Hey, nonny, nonny.

http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/shakespeare/sigh_no_more_ladies.html

And, those interested in the meaning of non-standard names may want to check out this website: http://www.cocojams.com/names.htm

I visit it every day.

:o)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Alice
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:56 AM

Where's the thread about Nonny James?

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:11 AM

I think that Nonno and Nonna are Italian words for Grandfather and Grandmother, so it could be Granny James. It could also be a contraction of Anona, as in Anona Wynn for those in the UK old enough to remember 20 Questions with Gilbert Harding.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:32 AM

"Anona"- "probaby from "Annona", the Latin goddess of the annual yield of fruits or produce.

[source: Winthrop Ames-"What Shall We Name The Baby" {Pocket Books, 1963; originally published in 1941]

Fwiw,I've found older books on names have the meanings of more currently non-standard names than contemporary books.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:42 AM

If everyone was called "Bruce" it would save a LOT of confusion....

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:25 AM

G'day Bruce. G'day Shiela.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:31 AM

"G'day Bruce. G'day Shiela"

Is this line from some UK television show? Please explain.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Emma B
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:47 AM

Azizi, Bruce and Sheila are supposed to be the names of "archetypal" Australians and have become part of British "folklore" - the "jokes" will have to wait for another time :)

I met a charming Australian couple who were actually called Bruce and Sheila. They were so fed up with being asked "but what are your 'real' names?" that they took to carrying their passports everywhere!

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:51 AM

Thanks for that information, Emma.

They don't teach these kinda of things in school.

I'm not sure what the USA equivalent would be. For men maybe
"John Doe".

???

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:59 PM

Yes, John Doe, or John Smith. 'Bob' seems to be In now for silly stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:12 PM

With a surname like 'James' there could easily be a Welsh connection. In which case "Nonny" is often used as a diminutive of the beautiful Welsh name Rhiannon

CHEERS
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:38 PM

Then there was the kid whose parents were Tolkien fans and named him "Bilbo." He renamed himself "John" as soon as he started school and became subject to the obvious variant of his name...

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Becca72
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:39 PM

I went to school with a girl called Iva Head (what were her parents THINKING??). All the boys called her "Gimme".

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:53 PM

No big deal......I went to school with a girl named Sharon Peters....No need for any changes there at all!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:00 PM

Here's a Nonny": Joanne

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:27 PM

Back to music...in the Army we sang

Hey na hey na a nonny
Hey nonny nonny no
Hey na hey na a nonny
Hey nonny nonny oh!

I know a girl all dressed in red
Hey nonny nonny no
Makes her livin' on feather bed
Hey nonny nonny oh!

More verses, all more scurrilous than that one. This was not even suggested as a children's song.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:37 PM

How come Bonnie, Ronnie and Lonnie are okay names, but Nonny for some mysterious reason is not?

And what about the Greek singer Nani Mosquiri? (sp)
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Here's a different aspect of name-giving. I recently went to a softball game played by ten-year-old girls. Here are some of their names:

Hayley
Bailey
Mason
Bob (christened Megan)
Madison

Why do I get the feeling that their parents wanted boys and are not ashamed to let the world (including their daughers) know it?

The exception might be Hayley, whose name was probably inspired by the indubitably female Hayley Mills.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:52 PM

Rapaire,
Rapaire,

The refrain of the song you posted is the children's song I was thinking of, but with different lyrics. I heard it on some record. It's not from my or my children's childhood. Unfortunately, I can't recall the words...

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This thread is a reminder to me not to be an absolutist about the orgin and meaning of a name. I should have remembered that there are often names [and other words] with same spelling or similar spelling in different languages which have completly different meanings. And nicknames often are given that appear to have little or nothing to do with the spelling or pronunciaton of a person's name.

Which leads me to the name Rhiannon. I googled that name and learned that Rhiannon, Celtic goddess of the moon and inspiration, the enchanting fairy princess who rode so swiftly that no horseman could catch her, loved and chose to marry a mortal king of Wales.

Accused of murdering their infant son, Rhiannon bore her humiliating punishment with a grace and dignity that melted the hearts of her adopted countrymen.

Eventually proven innocent, Rhiannon was reunited with her husband and son and restored to her throne.

Later the Celtic goddess Rhiannon became the famous Lady of the Lake who, in the legends of Camelot, gave Arthur the magical sword called Excalibur."

Source: http://www.goddessgift.com/goddess-myths/goddess_rhiannon.htm

Also, see The Songs of Rhiannon-Stevie L Nicks

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I also found the similarly spelled Arabic name "Rihana" {variants: Rhiana, Rhianna; Riana, Rianna} in a number of baby books on names. Rihana means "sweet basil"

Interested in what basil signifies? See http://www.sallys-place.com/food/columns/gilbert/basil.htm.

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Btw, I also know an African American pre-school girl whose nickname is "Nonnie". She has a Swahili name that begins with a "N", but in my opinion, that name does not at all sounds like that nickname.

Again, this thread is a reminder to myself that at least in most contemporary cultures, there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to giving people "first" names and nicknames.

Thanks for reinforcing that lesson for me.

-Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:53 PM

Hmmm, as a result of my cutting and pasting, I wrote Rapaire's name twice.

Well, double the pleasure and double the significance and all that jazz.

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: open mike
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:35 PM

how about Moon Unit Zappa?
and i htink there is another sibling ?
didn;'t someone (grace slick?) name a child "god"?

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: frogprince
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:52 PM

I think Slick put out the word that she had named her daughter "god", but later said she was really named something else, not quite so weird; if I remember right, it was "China"; if not, some other celebrities's kid is named "China".

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Matt_R
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:36 PM

I know a girl whose first and middle names are Velvet Glory.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:47 AM

I once knew a guy called Richard Head, he didn't like ' Dick '

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Little Robyn
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:54 AM

Most young Hayleys have been born since 1986, and are named for Halley's comet (but with wrong spelling). Any Hayley Mills clones are much older - probably in their late 30s by now.
And Madison's parents probably enjoyed the mermaid movie.
My cousin Naomi is usually called Noni (Know-knee) but my Grandmother's sister Naomi was called Nona.
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:56 AM

OI Azizi, aint you got a sence of humour or what ? this is a joke thread FFS

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:33 AM

I think Nonnie is a lovely name. I'm really, really not keen on Nellie though.

(And the first post certainly didn't come across to me as a joke. I'm sorry if you think I lack a sense of humour, but I really found it offensive.)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Helen
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 05:32 AM

I once briefly met a young woman known as Nonny and was extremely disappointed to find out that she had shortened her beautiful name of Rhiannon.

I've also just finished my second go at working at Births Deaths & Marriages and some of the names are pretty silly, IMHO.

I really can't relate to calling a girl Mckenzie or Bailey or Taylah or Jaime (pronounced Jamie) or boys called BJ or Prince Michael, or whatever other silly names people come up with.

Or calling the poor kids by shortened/nicknames rather than offically giving them the full name and then just using the shortened form for everyday use. There are a lot of Jacks, Bobs, Mollys and Jamies who, when they are more mature, are going to want to change their names to something more adult, something that can be taken seriously in the boardroom or the lecture halls or or in relationships or whatever.

Just my little peeve-rant. Sorry!

And Nellie - interesting thread. Thanks for starting this serious discussion about names.

Helen
;->

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Paul Burke
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:16 AM

Did I mention the bloke I knew, surname Perrins- his parents christened him Leon.

There was another unfortunate I met, called Philip McHunt.

Both sad, but true.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:53 AM

Guest Nellie Clatt,

For what its worth, GUEST, 01 Aug 06 - 04:33 AM was not me. However, like that Guest, I found your initial post to be offensive in that it not only put down certain names as 'stupid' but also talked about killing those folks who had those names.

However, I decided to disregard that post and use the opportunity presented by this thread to exchange information about a subject that I find fascinating. You may note that I joined the discussion in this thread in response to this post:

RE: BS: Peoples names
From: eric the red - PM
Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:07 AM

Seriously though, what sort of a name is Nonny ?

-snip-

And as a result of the information exchanged in this thread, I learned that Bruce & Shiela are the names of "archetypal" Australians, and I learned about the Celtic folklore about the goddess Rhiannon, and I learned a host of other things.

If some people want to use this thread to list unique, and unusual names, that's their choice. I see it as "different strokes for different folks". But if others want to engage in a more serious presentation and exchange of information about names, then that should be acceptable too.

And GUEST,Nellie, you asked me if I had a sense of humour. For what it's worth, yes, Nellie I do have a sense of humour {though I spell it "humor"}. Sometimes I let my humor out, sometimes it surfaces whether I want it to or not, and sometimes I keep it tightly locked up deep down in the dungeon.

Best wishes,

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Scoville
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:02 AM

Never mind that most of us don't pick our own names and can't help it if our parents are eccentric.

Sorry--I do have a sense of humor, too, and I'll admit I've seen names that make me cringe but I don't think people with names that aren't to my taste are stupid and worthless. The brother of a friend of mine named his daughter "Bridget Madison" after The Bridges of Madison County, which I think is awful, but it doesn't mean the kid won't win the Nobel Prize.





That said, I've run across the following authors in our library catalog:

Edwin G. Boring
Irving B. Wiener
Hyman Spotnitz
Smiley Blanton

and yet they all grew up to be M.D.'s and made numerous contributions to psychiatric literature. More than I've done and I'm named after Sojourner Truth and have a decidedly un-funny Victorian given name.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Becca72
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:06 AM

Mike, Frank Zappa's sons names are Dweezle and Ahmed (or something close to Ahmed)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:10 AM

You load of boring pompous gits, get a life and have a laugh now and again.

I bet none of you ' scholars ' can guess where my surname comes from and what it means ?

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:41 AM

Helen, I agree with your remarks on the naming of children.

Names should not impose the parents' views of the child's future. That's one benefit of giving first and middle names, one of which is more imposing than the other.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Scoville
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:07 AM

Actually we're quite a hilarious and clever bunch, only some of us don't feel the need to be mean and low-brow about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:23 AM

why, I'd assume 'Clatt' is a clever abbreviation of "Clueless pratt".

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:29 AM

My memory scares me sometimes. Nonnie was Carol Lynleys character in the Poseidon Adventure. Where the hell did that come from? Why can I remember that and not remember where I put the coffee?

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Paul Burke
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:45 AM

Dunno about Clatt, unless it's elated to clag nuts, but try THIS:

        Posted: 2003-02-02 21:27

[quote]On 2003-02-02 20:42, whiterose wrote:
Why did the Yorkshire girls where clogs? /quote]

Whiterose, you really give the old brain a working over with your questions!

It wasn't only Yorkshire. In fact Lancashire was even more of a clog county. I mentioned Yorkshire because it was nearer home and I was there more often.

Clogs usually had uppers of black leather with wooden soles on which were nailed shining metal clog irons curved to fit and when the irons were worn out they could be replaced. And clogs were favoured for all ages as they lasted — that is, never worn out but merely out-grown. The wooden soles gave good insulation on the cold stone floors of the cotton mills.

Clog dancing originated with the mill girls clackety clacking on the stone floors in time with the noise of the machines.

I first heard them in Lancashire as a ten year old when I was staying with my father at a hotel in the centre of Liverpool. He had gone there on business and took me along to see something of the country. At a ridiculously early hour, long before it was light, there was this great clattering from the street below as mill workers made their way across the city centre.

IT DIDN'T SEEM REET - Anon.

Wen a lass cum walkin' deawn eawr road,
'Er clogs went "er—clatt, er—clatt."
An' it struck mi, as Ah'd never knowed
A pair o'clogs t'seawnd like that.
Soo Ah waited wile she getten close,
Fer t'see wot wer th'matter,
Clogs doant "er—clatt, er—clatt" tha knows
Thi should guh "clatt—er, clatt—er!"
Ah thowt, "Just wen 'as passes mi
Ah'll 'ev a looka't'greawnd,
Cause Ah wer fair reet wonderin'
O'er th'reason feryon seawnd.
Sos wen she sad, "Nah then theer,"
Wen she passed mii' th' street,
Ah looked, an' does ta know
Booath 'er clogs wero't'wrong feet.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:00 AM

megalithic Clatt

deviant Clatt (16 years old...sounds about right)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Scoville
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:24 AM

Actually, we're hilarious and clever even when we do feel like being mean and low-brown about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:51 AM

Well, I don't know Scoville. Some folks might say that I'm
high-brown.

But I think I'm more caramel brown.

{If you know what I mean}

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Scoville
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:59 AM

Oh, Lord--I didn't even see that! Ha ha! (I'm light olive myself. Off the brown scale, I guess.)

Subject: RE: BS: Peoples names
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM

Scoville, it's all good! *


"It's all good" is a hip-hop saying that I like. And in this case it has multiple meanings.