BS: Taking a stand

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 07:15 PM

Someone would just obtain a 10 foot sabre...or whatever it took to reach 10 paces.

(I once suggested to a self-described mercenary that we settle wars by issuing bags of marshmallows and you were 'out' after so many white spots on your uniform. He replied: "Yeah.... that might work for awhile. Then some bastard like me would come along and put a rock in each one... and off we'd go again!")

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 07:23 PM

How about a ten foot Pole, if we can find a willing one.
This thread is getting--dare I say it--violent.
If we must, my choice would be jousting from horseback using those really long lances. That sounds like real fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:00 PM

At least 2 of the "people" who paid no income tax last year are Bank of America and General Electric. Exxon was given money.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:07 PM

38% of all US corporations pay NOTHING in income tax.
Well they do, but it all gets refunded come May.

Its a joke we even call them US corporations because nearly half of all US corporations have their headquaters in Barbados or St. Michaels or some other off shore tax dodge. One such Island home has 12,000 business corporations registered as having it as their headquarters.

Murdoch enterproses show the IRS that they have lost billions of dollars. Rupert shows the Island banks his real profits.

I learned that Utah has similar tax dodging laws. There is one house there with over 1,000 corporations, criminal profits while the owner is in jail and private business hiding money from the IRS.


As long as you make sure you file every quarter everything the IRS legally wants to know about your "earnings", you too can be a corporation or better yet a conglomerate with other like minds...

but who is that unpatriotic and larcenous liars to want to sink the country merely to exploit loophole laws that were bought and paid for by billionaires sanguine enough to legally bribe Congressmen and women.

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Who said "This thing is fuckin golden, we can hold out and get almost anything we want with this..." ?

Boehner said something like this to Erc Cantor back in April.

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Your mind sees everything through the filter of your beliefs, and then seeks out primarily only the things that fits your belief.

What if you could suspend your belief long enough to see the wisdom of the Purei TEA Party. For example.

To eliminate our debt we could raise revenue by selling stuff.
Stuff like parts of California. Most of Minnisota ( besides its closed due to a gov shutdown anyway) Sell Yellowstone park, before the oil spill damage lowers the price. Sell our W 88 neutron bomb plans to CHina and buy them back at half price, Sell The NYSE to Germany, Sell our Army tank factories to Arabs and buy them cheaper, Sell our sea port controls and secirtity to Suadi Arabia, Sell the giant TV networks like FOX to Saudi Arabia.... you get the idea Many of those things we have actually already done.

Basicly we could have a national yard sale.

Listen to the brilliant Puri TEA ideas of passing a Federal balanced budget ammendment or establish a flat tax except for people on welfare or food stamps, they will pay taxes twice. Seperate the Sate from church and allow religion pledges to include only God fearing people in schools and political office.
Remove all entitlements so that Americans become respondile for themselves like we were in the 1800's.
Let REal Americans run their business without any government interference what so ever. Allow guns in Church, court, bars schools, rest rooms and TSA screening centers etc. Privatize everything we need and want be it police fire departments or roads and infrastructure. Free ourselves from the nanny state of safety programs that soil out liberty like the FDA, EPA, Education, HHS and any other "safety" program    except the DOD.

Now if you could take an unbaised look at any of these ideas and improvments, if you could see the Pure TEA genius with new eyes, if you could remove that filter of old beliefs, \\The USA will be having a coast to coast yard sale and a brain drain going to India, China and Germany

In a final stroke of genius, lets default the USA treasury note and loan paymment to stimulate the economy and final sale of America.
Just remember to add a phrase to the bill of sale.
All Sales are Final

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: IvanB
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:46 PM

John, let's get one thing straight: "my" pool boy and banker were mere symbols. As I thought my post made clear, I have no pool, so no need for the first. Being I have bank accounts, I suppose I could say there is a "my" banker somewhere, but s/he never comes out to meet me at the ATM. I'm sorry I offended you with my choice of persona to symbolize the rich.

Now, as I stated in the last sentence of my post of 14 Jul 11 - 07:17 PM, Dick started this thread reporting on a Senate vote. We can argue all we want about who should bear the bigger tax burden in this country, but you'll never get me to believe that all those Republican Senators voted against the bill because they didn't agree with the figures (or that they even bothered to research them for that matter). No, I'm sure their votes were cast against it because they're ideologically appalled by both its premise and its purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 10:20 PM

******************The Dirty Little Secret********************

Over the last 30 years the way we tax Americans has shifted from income taxes to highly regressive taxes which are disproportionately are paid by the working class and the poor...

These taxes include:

Sales taxes - 3 fold increase since Reaganomics

User taxes - 7 fold increase

Taxes on electricity, phones, internet, car license plates, etc, ect...

Every where you look this is how the rich have shifted more and more taxes on to the poor and the working class... These are all ****highly regressive**** taxes and it billions and billions of $$$ that the wealthy have had ***their government*** put in place...

But in a larger picture, the rich love to point out what % of income taxes they pay but they don't want to talk about the % of the income they pull in or the amount of wealth they have corralled for themselves...

This is reality... The rich have been getting a free ride since 1980 and it's time for them to participate in the game...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 11:21 PM

John, there were no posts "vilifying bankers and such" there was one hypothetical banker who Ivan wanted to B.

Vis a vis vilification you brought up bankers.

I have you say, that if you are willing to put up this much smoke trying to defend an imaginary banker then you have obviously chosen your preferred weapon and distance; bull flops, point blank.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 08:43 AM

I expect one Socialist also voted yes, Dick:

"Shouldn't the wealthiest Americans and the most profitable corporations contribute to deficit reduction rather than just the elderly and the sick and working families? They say no. They're going to defend the richest people in this country — millionaires and billionaires — and make sure they don't pay a nickel more in taxes. We're going to make sure there is no tax reform so we can continue to lose $100 billion every single year because wealthy people and corporations stash their money in tax havens in the Cayman Islands or Bermuda, and that's just fine. We'll protect those tax breaks while we savage programs for working families."

Senator Bernie Sanders

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 11:37 AM

To buy a copy of Senator Bernie Sanders scathing speech against the rich tax dodgers, buy it at Amazon for 12.99 !

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 12:19 PM

Quoting Bernie Sanders goes a long way with me, Gregg.

Jack, I guess we sometimes let our zeal get in the way of our posts. Perhaps I over emphasized Ivan's hypothetical pool man and banker. You, on the other hand, have said I defend tax breaks for the rich (I'm sorry, 'the 1%', at least twice...I didn't and I don't. I'm not even sure I know what you consider a tax break. Also you questioned, en passant, my patriotism; that certainly moved the argument forward.

Finally, the phrase from the resolution, "It is the sense of the Senate that any agreement to reduce the budget deficit should require that those earning $1,000,000 or more per year make a more meaningful contribution to the deficit reduction effort." has no objective meaning. Like Supreme Court decisions are based on the biases of the individual justices, so would 'meaningful contribution' reflect the biases of the individual senators.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 12:33 PM

Senator Sandors speech on you tube

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 01:18 PM

Quoting Bernie Sanders goes a long way with me

More information needed, Sunshine:

1. Are you supporting Senator Sanders' position?

OR

2.Are you being snide? If so, what exactly do you disagree with in what Senator Sanders said?

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 01:27 PM

I probably shouldn't expect someone here is asking me a question but while I always strive to add a pinch of satire to anything important...
Bernie is saying the obvious, the plain truth, and sadly for merely telling the truth, he is considered to be a great American Hero.

Has telling the truth has become some sort of automatic betrayal of the wealthy overlords? Is telling the truth always subversive? Is it that uncommon?

I say every one should have the simple ability to tell the truth like Bernie.

Subject: RE: BS: Taking a stand
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 04:42 PM

John, As I have said before, and you have chosen not to read, the SENSE OF THE SENATE ON SHARED SACRIFICE bill was put forth in the fight to end the Bush tax breaks. By presenting the "other side" which is to say, the Republican argument, you are providing a de facto defense of those tax breaks. In fact by presenting the idiotic Republican defense of the rich which separates federal income tax from all other federal tax and pretends that federal income tax is the only one that counts is not only defending the tax breaks, but it is using the Republican template to do so.

I do actually question your patriotism. I question anyone who supports and repeats voodoo economic principles. Reagan had an excuse. He was an ignorant actor apparently trying something his advisers had suggested, but now after having two Presidents trying that crap and seeing the economic and other damage caused to the country no modern person has any more excuse.

At least the 1 % have their own self interest as an excuse. What excuse do you have for trying to destroy the country?