G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song

Subject: Does any one know this song?
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 05 May 02 - 06:28 AM

Does anyone know this folk song? probably from the british isles.

G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B

etc etc

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Does any one know this song?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 May 02 - 06:52 AM

Sounds like the Catholic Hymn "Tantum Ergo"

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Subject: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 02 - 09:11 AM

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 02 - 10:22 AM

Without timing it's awful hard to answer -- sounds a little like a phrase from Land of Hope and Glory, eckshually, eh?

A

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: CapriUni
Date: 05 May 02 - 10:25 AM

Where did you find this, Guest? What's the context? Maybe that will help find the answer.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Willie-O
Date: 05 May 02 - 11:06 AM

Played in straight time, the G F# E D E D C B C B phrase is part of "Sailor's Hornpipe" (towards the end of the A part)

The last four notes however don't fit or approximate that tune. So, uh? Where is this coming from?

Willie-O

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 May 02 - 01:36 PM

It is surely only part of a tune - it can't end on that B.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Willie-O
Date: 05 May 02 - 01:48 PM

I must add that honourable Guest has set a new standard for brevity in opening posts, and right-to-the-pointness (?) in thread titling...

Come on back, give us another line to work with...or a clue or somepin. Tune? Song? Nationality? Time signature?

Got me all curious now. Who stole from Sailor's Hornpipe?

W-O

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: C-flat
Date: 05 May 02 - 03:33 PM

The line makes musical sense in 3/4 time but I don't recognise it. Using the G and Fsharp to bring in the E as the first beat then using the same pattern through the line, makes a workable melody.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 05 May 02 - 04:35 PM

There's agreat book whose name I cant remember that lists all known (well, nearly, mostly classical) melodies in this format in alphabetical order, all transposed to keynote C.So that you can lookup sources of tunes. Would be very handy for fealing with this qyuery. I'm flummoxed, anway. Cant help feeling it will become obvious if we were given a bit of rhythm.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Amos
Date: 05 May 02 - 07:14 PM

This is apparently a slightly more sophisticated than usual troll. Does anyone know the words of the song that starts "When I...." ??? I think it's about a girl, or maybe a boy....

**bg**

A

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 May 02 - 07:20 PM

It's interesting whatever. Like Willie-O, I find most of it is part of the Sailors Hornpipe but the last few notes are wrong.

I wonder what, if anything, it will turn out to be if we know the length of the notes.

Jon

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 May 02 - 07:44 PM

I didn't even hear Sailor's Hornpipe, playing it as given....that is, with the abc "case indicative".......

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 May 02 - 07:47 PM

I wouldn't call that a troll. Maybe an imp.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Jeri
Date: 05 May 02 - 08:37 PM

I don't think anybody's going to do any major flaming over this.

This version of A-Beggin' I Will Go has something similar near the end.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 May 02 - 08:49 PM

If this is a troll, I like it! I am monkeying around with my my collection trying to find it!

Mick

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Hrothgar
Date: 05 May 02 - 09:45 PM

There are two songs like that, Amos. Which one do you mean?

:-)

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: van lingle
Date: 05 May 02 - 11:48 PM

Sounds like one of Nirvana's tunes.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Amos
Date: 06 May 02 - 12:53 AM

Hroth:

I think it was the other one...

A

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Jeanie
Date: 06 May 02 - 06:30 AM

Maybe this question is a Cunning Plan to anonymously pass on an encoded message, rather like those obscure notices that sometimes appear in the personal column of "The Times"....

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 02 - 06:35 AM

I reckon its a musical form of the Rorschach Inkblot Tests, myself.

Let's see now

Myself - Old Hymn
Amos - Land of Hope and Glory
Willie-O - Sailor's Hornpipe
Van Lingle - Nirvana

Verry interesting. Now, What do you see in this one ....

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: okthen
Date: 06 May 02 - 08:08 AM

This hasn't got anything to do with Elgar has it?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,Ernie
Date: 06 May 02 - 09:25 AM

Pretty desperate to find this ditty which my late mother (who died six months ago of colon cancer) used to sing to me when I was a kid. first line : numbers = beats second line : notes are assigned to each beat. third line :H/L below each note indicates if the note is higher or lower in pitch than the previous one (A bit tough putting this out without the five lines format eh?) really appreciate all of your interest in this. It's a personal quest. And no. It isn;t a message from one CIA operative to another.

4/4 time

 1   2    3   4    1   2   3   4   1   2   3   4
  G   F#E  D        E   DC  B       C   BA  D   D 
      L L  L        H   LL  L       H   LL  H  
  ---------------------------------------------------  
  
  1    2    3    4    1    2    3    4    1    2    3
  B                   D    EF   E         E    F#G  F#
  L                   H    HH   L              H H  L    
  ------------------------------------------------------ 
  
  4    1     2    3    4    1    2    3    4
       A     GF#  ED   DG   F#   E    D    
       H     LL   LL    H   L    L    L
 

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Added pre-format tags and line breaks so this would show up as typed. --JoeClone

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 09:40 AM

Jesus, it's getting worse. Anybody got one of those Enigma machines we could put this through?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 09:42 AM

Ernie: more help needed. The numbers and notes dont seem to match up. Do letters close together mean the notes are twice as fast?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 02 - 09:52 AM

Didn't Elgar have one of them there Enigmas?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:05 AM

Ernie, I suggest that you go here--Click and learn to use the abc format for music. It really isn't that hard to learn. The note lengths(time value), register (higher/lower) are included in the format.

Quite a few of us can use and translate it and it would give you a better shot at identifying your tune.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:17 AM

Learning all the intricacies of abc notation might be unnecessarily sophisticated. Just put a barline/ in before the first note of each group of four beats.put a dot after every note that lasts a whole beat. No dot after a note that lasts a half beat. That will do fine. I'll put a guess in here.It bears little or no resemblance to the tune I know for "Going to the garden to eat worms" but I just wonder if this might be another tune for the same words?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:37 AM

Ernie, I put the notes into my MusicTime program and it works as you've described it. Unfortunately, however, I don't recognize the melody. Do you have any of the words to help us along?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:42 AM

Barbara: If you export from MusicTime as MIDI or ABC and post it here, we can have another try.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:43 AM

abc please, we cant all get midi

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:52 AM

Arrrgh! I never learned how to use ABC! How would I post a midi file here?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 10:56 AM

Trouble is, if we get Barbara Shaw's version, we will only have her interpretation of what Ernie means. May be even more confusing!

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: GUEST,ernie
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:01 AM

Let's try this again:(lower case is higher octave)

(4/4) g1/4 f#1/8 e1/8 d1/2 | e1/4 d1/8 c1/8 B1/2 |

c1/4 B1/8 A1/8 d1/4 d1/4 | B1 |

d1/4 e1/8 f1/8 e1/2 | e1/4 f#1/8 g1/8 f#1/2 |

a1/4 g1/8 f#1/8 e1/8 d1/8 d1/8 g1/8 |

f#1/4 e1/4 d1/2 |

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:13 AM

Brilliant Ernie. All adds up.perfectly coherent piece of music. Unfortunately, I'm sure I've never heard it in my life!

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: sophocleese
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:14 AM

Thanks ernie for putting it into a more useful fashion. I still don't know it but have a better idea of what I'm looking for. Hope someone figures it out for you.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:34 AM

O.K. now it sounds VERY FAMILIAR, but I still can't identify it! Someone tell me how to post a midi file.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:51 AM

Barbara follow this link to get the MUDCAT-approved (!) MIDI to ABC conversion & posting tools

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: DMcG
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:52 AM

Try again! Is it here? If not, the non-clickable version is http://miditext.8m.net/miditext.html

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 May 02 - 11:55 AM

I thought there was a way to just post a clickable midi. Here's the midi I put into MusicTime, converted to text and abc format - remembered that I had this program, but haven't used it in a few years!

MIDI file: melody.mid

Timebase: 240

TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Tempo: 100 (600000 microsec/crotchet)
Start
0000 1 79 080 0225 0 79 064 0015 1 78 080 0113 0 78 064 0007 1 76 080 0113 0 76 064 0007 1 74 080 0450 0 74 064 0030 1 76 080 0225 0 76 064 0015 1 74 080 0113 0 74 064 0007 1 72 080 0113 0 72 064 0007 1 71 080 0450 0 71 064 0030 1 72 080 0192 0 72 064 0048 1 71 080 0113 0 71 064 0007 1 69 080 0113 0 69 064 0007 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 74 080 0192 0 74 064 0048 1 71 080 0768 0 71 064 0192 1 74 080 0225 0 74 064 0015 1 76 080 0113 0 76 064 0007 1 77 080 0113 0 77 064 0007 1 76 080 0450 0 76 064 0030 1 76 080 0225 0 76 064 0015 1 78 080 0113 0 78 064 0007 1 79 080 0113 0 79 064 0007 1 78 080 0450 0 78 064 0030 1 81 080 0192 0 81 064 0048 1 79 080 0113 0 79 064 0007 1 78 080 0113 0 78 064 0007 1 76 080 0113 0 76 064 0007 1 74 080 0113 0 74 064 0007 1 74 080 0113 0 74 064 0007 1 79 080 0113 0 79 064 0007 1 78 080 0225 0 78 064 0015 1 76 080 0225 0 76 064 0015 1 74 080 0450 0 74 064
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:
M:4/4
Q:1/4=100
K:C
g2^fed4|e2dcB4|c2BAd2d2|B8|d2efe4|e2^fg^f4|
a2g^feddg|^f2e2d15/4||

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: SharonA
Date: 06 May 02 - 12:13 PM

Ernie: The version you posted on 06-May-02 - 11:01 AM is brilliant; very easy to understand. A further question: What key is it in? G? D? A minor key?

Also: in the beginning of the third line (d1/4 e1/8 f1/8 e1/2 | e1/4 f#1/8 g1/8 f#1/2 | ), is that third note supposed to be f-natural as written, or f#?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 May 02 - 12:21 PM

I think it's a hymn...........

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: SharonA
Date: 06 May 02 - 12:26 PM

By the way, Ernie, I'm sorry to hear about your mother's passing. I hope that remembering this tune, and finding out more about it, keeps her close in your thoughts.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 May 02 - 01:28 PM

This may not be it, but it's awfully close to "I Would Be True".

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From:
Date: 06 May 02 - 04:15 PM

Is it "Caro mio Ben?"

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 May 02 - 05:51 PM

It darn sure could be, click here for sheet music and sound file for Caro Mio Ben.

Because of a wrong date setting on a Mudcat server, this message may appear out of order. It was actually posted on 6-May, not 5-May. --JoeClone, 7-May-02.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Sorcha
Date: 06 May 02 - 07:19 PM

(This is a repeat post, so please excuse if it shows up twice)

It certainly could be. Sheet music and sound file here.

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 May 02 - 07:35 PM

No recollection whatsoever of any of the words?

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 06 May 02 - 07:45 PM

I guess we'll have to hear from Ernie. The first two measures of the melody are the same, but then it differs from "Caro Mio Ben."

By the way, I've been humming this thing ALL DAY!! Someone tell me what the heck I'm humming . . .

Subject: RE: G F# E D E D C B C B A D D B : what song
From: sophocleese
Date: 06 May 02 - 07:59 PM

Well my husband tells me, along with several others here, that the first two lines are Caro Mio Ben. He also tells me that I sang it a few years ago. I can't remember singing it but at the moment I am desperate for sleep so I could be wrong or he's thinking of another woman. Anyway here are the words to Caro Mio Ben. Perhaps some other song borrowed the first two lines.

by Giuseppe Giordani* (1744-1798)

Caro mio ben, credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor, caro mio ben, senza di te languisce il cor.

Il tuo fedel so spira ognor. Cessa, crudel, tanto rigor! Cessa, crudel, tanto rigor, tanto rigor!

Caro mio ben credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor,

caro mio ben credimi almen, senza di te languisce il cor.

*There is evidence that the piece was actually composed by _Tommaso_ Giordani (no relation). A 1782 collection lists only the last name, and someone may have selected the wrong composer.