BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:13 AM

The most distasteful thing about all this is that you and your mates are well aware of Britain's culpability in the Famine, otherwise you would have taken the causes I have listed, disproved them and thrown them out of the window, vindicating your arguments and humiliating me and those who disagree with you
You have ignored them totally, Termite has blustered his way past them Brucie has denied their existence - and pdq - "you cannot be serious".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:15 AM

The Irish do not hate the English or anyone else, but for most of the 20th Century kids were taught that Britain was to blame.
They were also taught that Catholicism is the one true faith.
Luckily they also learned to think for themselves.

Kinealy says that the revisionists, who "deny culpability" and "rehabilitate the government," are the dominant view.
That contradicts all the stuff you just posted Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 07:56 AM

"The Irish do not hate the English or anyone else, but for most of the 20th Century kids were taught that Britain was to blame."
You described the Irish as hating Britain and you have always described those who criticise British policy as "ant-British", even to the extent of saying that because I have chosen to live in Ireland I have no right to comment on what happens in Britain - do not compound all the lies yo have tld with yet another.
"deny culpability" and "rehabilitate the government," are the dominant view"
She says no such thing as you would find out if you read what she has written
No-one has disputed Britain's culpability - you have not even addressed it other than to deny it
Go away you nasty little man
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 08:01 AM

You described the Irish as hating Britain

I never have because it is not true.


Kinealy says that the revisionists, who "deny culpability" and "rehabilitate the government," are the dominant view.
That contradicts all the stuff you just posted Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 09:08 AM

Go away
You have been asked to qualify your arguments by addressing the facts - you refuse
Why oh why do you insist on lying abbout statements you have posted
Are you insane?
Not surprising when generations of school children have been brainwashed to believe Britain should be blamed, KEEPING HATE ALIVE
Irish schools at least since 1922 and NY State schools since 1996 by decree.
Massachusetts?
jIM cARROLL

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Thompson
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:10 PM

Not joining in this, but I thought I'd better qualify something I said; realised it sounded ambiguous.

I didn't intend to mean that "Peel's Brimstone", the corn supplied by the British Government which was so fatal to starving Irish people was *deliberately* meant to have ill effects. I think its suppliers thought they were buying nutritious, cheap, good food, and didn't realise that it needed extra processing to be edible.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:48 PM

Stupidity is often fatal.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 08:36 AM

"Stupidity is often fatal."
Don't confuse ignorance with stupidity Richard - not the same thing.
The people being fed this stuff were in a desperate condition; some of them living in holes in the ground, others crammed into overcrowded workhouses.
They were reported to have resorted to eating grass from the side of the road because there was nothing else available.
The horrific case I put up earlier bears repeating, to show just how desperate some of them were.   
Jim Carroll

"From the 'Cork Examiner' of March 19th, 1847 reporting on a court case in which a man had been charged with stealing food.
He said he was driven to it by what had happened to his wife. The court was told: The starving woman lay in her hovel next to her dead three year old son, waiting for her husband to return from begging food. When night fell and his failure to return led her to imagine him dead in a ditch, she lay there in the faint fire's dying embers, caressing with her eyes her dead son's face and his tiny fists.
With death searching her and now with her own fists clenched, she made one last effort to remain alive. Crawling as far away from her son's face as she could, as if to preserve his personality or at least her memory of it, she came to his bare feet and proceeded to eat them.
When her husband returned and saw what had happened, he buried the child, went out, and was caught trying to steal food. At his trial the magistrate from his immediate district intervened on his behalf, citing the wife's act as a circumstance deserving special consideration. The baby's body was exhumed, the flesh of both its feet and legs found to have been gnawed to the bone, and the husband released and allowed to return to his wife."