Under-rated performers.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Rasener
Date: 24 May 08 - 02:52 AM

>>Even if they were crap<<

Why do we always use that expression when we don't like a performer(s).

Invariablly the performer(s) are very good, but their style of music is not what we like. Then off we go spouting "he/she/them, are crap" when in actual fact, they are not crap, rather not our style.

The crap attitude can have an effect on audiences attending a concert. Whereas if you explain to a person who has never seen an act, what their style is and that they are indeed a very good act, but not your particular style. Then people can make their own mind up by going to see them.

How often have I heard somebody telling me an act is crap and then when I ask them why, they turn round and say "because so and so said so"

The Beatles were excellent and influenced music very much. To say they are crap is far from the truth. Maybe you don't like them, but to say they are crap!!!!

I don't like modern jazz, but that doesn't mean that the performers who do that, are crap. They are probably excellent. The problem is with me, becuase its not my cup of tea. In fact I only have one tune that I particulary like in the modern jazz scene, and that is Take Five - Dave Bruebeck.

I'll get me bog roll.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: GUEST,orrible
Date: 24 May 08 - 05:44 AM

Dustin The Turkey,Daniel O Donnell,Dick Miles.:)

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 May 08 - 05:50 AM

I don't think its compulsory to like all modern jazz. brubeck did a lot of catchy ones Les.   I bet you'd love Unsquare Dance.

I like the 1950's stuff like Miles Davis, and theres people around today playing that sort of stuff. Its not dixieland - is it still modern nearly 60 years later?

I'm not keen on stuff with guitar synthesizers in.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 24 May 08 - 06:30 AM

Two kinds of music - the stuff you like and the stuff you don't, that's the most important thing.

Underrated? Duncan MacFarlane Band and the Boat Band - both should be recognised as original, exciting and technically very competent but you hear them and you like them or you don't - that's it.

Both bring much joy

Cheers

Les

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 May 08 - 06:58 AM

Re the Beatles;
Sorry, I was letting my prejudices get the better of me.
I was born and brought up in Liverpool where - in the mid-sixties if you didn't like football or the Beatles, there was sod-all else to do.
I detest(ed) both, so I moved to Manchester where (apart from a far healthier folk-scene and a better class of cinema) the same thing applied (if you substitute Freddie and the Dreamers for the 4 Mops).
".... and reader, I married him".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 24 May 08 - 08:52 AM

I look at "under-rated" as something very different from being little known. I take it to mean, "known but not fully appreciated." A good example is the late Cisco Houston. For much of his musical career he played second banana as Woody Guthrie's sidekick. You could hear his wonderful tenor harmonies, but you had little sense of him on his own. When Woody got too sick to perform anymore, Cisco finally broke through as a solo artist. That;s when people discovered he had a deep rich voice and a style all his own. But pretty soon Cisco himself got sick and died of cancer just as the folk boom was about to happen. Had he lived, he might have been remembered as one of the great ones. Instead, he is just a footnote to the Guthre legend.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: frogprince
Date: 24 May 08 - 09:26 AM

Cisco, indeed, Janice; I sat in a college library in '68 or '69, copying odds and ends of LP's unto tape, and happened to pick up the record of his last sessions. Had no idea of who he was, or his history at the time. It's still one of my favorite recordings.
I write a little stuff, but I can't sing at all, so if my songs ever have a chance, it will be because my wife sings them very well. I refer to her as "my Cisco".

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Doc John
Date: 24 May 08 - 12:40 PM

Jim, I too was born in Liverpool several years before you and destested both the Beatles and Football...
...and Janice, glad you mentioned Cisco. I missed his one performanace at the Liverpool Cavern (happy days before those mopheads!) as I had to work, thinking he's be back: he was only 40 or so. There are only two titles where he sings lead with Woody but lots of later solo stuff. There's a website dedicated to him - if you don't know it, do visit!
Doc John

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 May 08 - 02:50 PM

Doc John,
I very much doubt your first sentence - nobody was born before me.
I think I saw Cisco, but I wasn't as aware of the singers then. Saw some magnificent jazz at the Cavern; Colyer, Barber, Welch, Lightfoot - weren't we spoiled?
I saw Rambling Jack Elliot at The Bluecoat Chambers and Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee at Jackie and Bridie's club - I think that these were the highlights of the 25 years I lived there.
My father used to tell the story of of us riding on a bus past Everton's football ground and I pointed to the stand and asked what it was.
The man in the seat behind tapped him on the shoulder and said "Ey lar, are you bringing up a ******* atheist!"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: GUEST,Jeff
Date: 24 May 08 - 05:23 PM

Forgot to mention Freddy Fender. He really should be in the Country Music Hall of Fame. There's a museum in his honor in his hometown and his family has set up a website and scholarship fund in his(stage)name. In the mid-70s He had 5 or 6 straight #1 country hits and 'Wasted Days and Wasted Nights' hit #1 on the Pop charts. The one thing people, in general don't know is that he was a great guitarist, too. Real strong rhythm attack and a great 'picker'. A friend of mine...same guy who worked w/Ike Turner and is now w/Mark Sallings and the Famous Unknowns told me, "You ALWAYS knew where you were when backing up Freddy, he was a rock".

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: Acorn4
Date: 24 May 08 - 06:15 PM

Pleased with how this thread is going -I've had a look at some of the names mentioned on Youtube.

Bit disappointed however that the rival "over-rated" thread has overtaken it due largely to an outbreak of "handbags at fifty paces".

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 May 08 - 06:39 AM

Tony Rose,Kevin Mitchell, The Wilson Family,Seamus Creagh,
Steve Turner,Keith Kendrick,Richard Grainger,Jean Ritchie,JakeWalton,Robin Williamson,to name but ten.
   from Dick Miles.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: RobbieWilson
Date: 25 May 08 - 07:32 AM

Jon Brindley; someone else who has always really impressed me live and in person but whose cd doesn't get that across. Looking forward to seeing him at brampton this year.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 25 May 08 - 07:46 AM

Sounds like a good Festival line up to me Captain!

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: van lingle
Date: 25 May 08 - 09:20 AM

The Scottish group Malinky, especially, for me, when Karine Polwart was with them.
Jim Malcolm formerly of Old Blind Dogs. What a voice.

Subject: RE: Under-rated performers.
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 May 08 - 10:25 AM

Ron Taylor, GordonTyrell,Ron Taylor and Jeff Gillett.Martyn Wyndham Read.Sean Cannon.