BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:50 AM

John O'L
Mr Red would have ostentatiously left the hat on the bar with strict instructions "In that case - watch my hat while the customer complies - or he ain't no customer and will want his money back, agreed?". They can be as snotty as they want - but if it is a game - GAME ON.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:05 AM

The removing of the hat when indoors is simply an old, old standard involving politeness and giving the impression of being a gentleman.

Your choice.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 11:22 AM

What's wrong with hats?

They are gauche in the shower, rude to wear in people's houses and most who wear them look rather foolish.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:40 PM

I refer you back to the last point made in my first post on the thread. Was I right or what? The only thing that surprises me is that two pillocks took the bait at the same time!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Scoville
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:32 PM

My mother, brother, and I got thrown out of Westminster Abbey because my brother didn't remove his hat (we're Quakers. Hat-honor does not apply), so I thought hat-removal was standard in the UK, too. We were a bit young at the time to be checking out pub etiquette, though.

Hat-removal is standard here. Whatever you think of it, it's a very practical tradition in Texas where hats tend to be very large and are often a nuisance to the people sitting behind you. We take hats pretty seriously. I'm not aware that Stetsons are a tradition in Europe, though, so I can't imagine it's as big a problem there as it is here.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Paul - Boy scouts aren't all boys either.... Limpit is in the local scout troup.

And I can never find hats to fit me.. with most hats, my ears are nice and warm but the view is restricted.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 05:00 PM

"Boy scouts aren't all boys either...."

They are in North America.... but then again, we've really hosed the whole scouting thing in watery skite over here

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Scoville
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:40 AM

I [who am female] was an Explorer Scout--a subdivision of Boy Scouts--briefly about 10 years ago, but I don't know if they still allow girls, and we weren't allowed to earn any merit badges. What a load of crap.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 11:55 AM

Here is the lowdown on hat removal (for anyone interested!)

The "tipping" or removal of a hat is said to have originated from the same place as the military salute. Knights would lift the visor (face guard) on their helm, showing their face as a sign of respect and their empty hand as an indication they meant no harm. This tradition evolved into the modern military salute. Similarly, the removal of a helm (helmet) or other headgear indoors and as a sign of respect or reverence is said to have originated before the Dark Ages. This tradition was carried on throughout the centuries by men of arms (soldiers) and nobility, as well as their staff, servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life and the conventions of hat etiquette became ingrained in civilized culture.

So - very relevant in todays world;-) C'mon - Free thinkers of the world unite. Don the hats as a rebelion against serfdom. Don't tug the forelock!

As to removal of hats indoors. Here are the rules from the same site (American) -

Indoors, a man should always remove his hat, (particularly in a home, church, courtroom or restaurant) except:
(1) in some public buildings or public places such as railroad stations or post offices;
(2) in the main parlor area of a saloon or general store;
(3) or while seated at the "lunch counter" of a diner or cafe;
(4) in entrance halls and corridors of office buildings, or hotels;
(5) in elevators of public or office buildings, unless a woman is present;
(6) if carrying packages, parcels or bags and both hands are occupied upon entry.
(7) If the man is an actor or performer and the hat is being worn as a part of a costume or performance.

So I was exempted by rules 2, 6 and, seeing as I always play the part of an old fart, 7!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 01:14 PM

Or for a different basis for this: (from 1 Corinthians):

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

So that is why men are expected to remove their hats on entering church, and women should keep theirs on.


CHEERS
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:09 PM

You find me a restaurant that has somewhere for me to put my hat so that it'll be safe, and I'll gladly take it off....

Until then it's staying on my head.

But many many years ago, the "Hat/Coat Check" people got tired of being treated like crap, so they tried to unionize.... When they did, they were told their services were no longer required, and a whole branch of the service industry vanished.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:17 PM

By Gawd, them Corinthians shoulda been on the MOAB!! They sure know how to sling the ole BS!


A

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:30 PM

Brief conversation I overheard in church (don't ask) the other day:

1st youth: Take your hat off, man.
2nd youth: Why?
1st youth: Coz you're in f*ckin' church, man.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 05:31 PM

I guess Bartholomew Cubbins would have a hard time getting a drink!

The only hat I wear much anymore is a Greek fisherman's style made of leather, and I'll be damned if I let it set somewhere to have beer spilled on it or be stolen. It doesn't conceal much anyway.

"There doesn't have to be a reason for it, it's our policy!"

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 07:51 PM

The Fooles Troupe has a Policy of its members always acting like Fooles...

... but not necessarily always Just Foolish...

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:54 PM

"The "tipping" or removal of a hat is said to have originated from the same place as the military salute. Knights would lift the visor (face guard) on their helm, showing their face as a sign of respect and their empty hand as an indication they meant no harm. This tradition evolved into the modern military salute. Similarly, the removal of a helm (helmet) or other headgear indoors and as a sign of respect or reverence is said to have originated before the Dark Ages. This tradition was carried on throughout the centuries by men of arms (soldiers) and nobility, as well as their staff, servants and slaves. After the Dark Ages, manners and etiquette grew to become an essential part of everyday life and the conventions of hat etiquette became ingrained in civilized culture."

Crap.

The notion that remaining hatted indoors is either unlucky or impolite is relatively recent. Certainly, the suggestion that it stems from knights, etc, is garbage. In medieval times you were badly dressed if your head was uncovered. Hans Holbein's The Ambassadors, mid 16thC & indoors - the subjects are both covered. You can easily find 18thC pictures of people indoors & hatted. As late as 1895, Toulouse-Lautrec At the Moulin-Rouge has the subjects in top hats & bonnets.

In direct response to DavetG's original question, it's about baseball caps & hoodies. Because everywhere is now so sensitive, you cannot refuse entry to people wearing the afore-mentioned. Therefore you must bar any headgear whatsoever... :-/

My response is to point out the stupidity of this, to ask where the security camera is, & then to offer said camera an extended view of of me at various angles with & without hat, so that the tapes know exactly who I am!

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:12 PM

Good post, Raedwulf, and I think you have hit the nail on the head. As someone said earlier it is easier to maintain this blanket rule than it is to do some thinking and decide what the real problem is!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 09:53 PM

"Hans Holbein's The Ambassadors, mid 16thC & indoors - the subjects are both covered. "

Raedwulf....... they were specially posing for those 'portraits', in their full most expensive ostentatious consumption mode....

I do find it difficult that they all clomped around in all that clobber all the bloody time indoors... :-)

And I have worn that type of clobber, and know it's not all that uncomfortable really...

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 12:47 PM

My favorite religious head coverings are all the baseball caps worn by the religious Jews of Anchorage. Apparently logos are not forbidden.

Subject: RE: BS: What's wrong with hats all of a sudden?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Jun 06 - 05:13 PM

And the tradition continues....

Or.... "Hey... that little bugger stole my hat!!!"

LOL