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Subject: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 08 Nov 09 - 12:54 PM what are catters opinions |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:01 PM I'm assuming there was a link above that didn't work, or is there universal knowledge about this person? Here's a story which refutes the accusation: click here for story Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:16 PM "Charles Powell, the assistant editor of Stacey International, expects the book to sell well." I think that says enough about what lies behind this. A good conspiracy theory always sells well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:27 PM Sounds like more bumff for the recycle bin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:36 PM Why was he never executed,yet Casement and Pearse were. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:54 PM De Valera was sentenced to death, but sentence commuted to life imprisonment. He was a U. S. citizen, complicating the situation, and the British wanted American support for the war, which the Americans did not enter until 1917. The Irish struggle was long and complicated; there are many books about the participants and the politics of the time. No sense in going through all of the history here at mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Amergin Date: 08 Nov 09 - 02:17 PM And that information is easily found by using a unique tool called a search engine....also the whole Ireland thing has been covered here numerous times in the past...and I believe that this claim was too.... As much as think Devalera was a wanker...I find it hard to believe he was a spy for the Brits... |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 08 Nov 09 - 02:25 PM quite right he was a Wanker. But I am prepared to Keep an open mind on it ,its a possibility. I mean I would never have suspected that Buckton and Gormley[70s union leader]were reporting back to MI5,on their union meetings. but thats how the British Establishment managed things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 09 - 03:22 PM Maybe they never landed on the Moon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Nov 09 - 03:23 PM ho-hum. Play it over and over again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: GUEST,Garryowen Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:07 PM I reckon anyone who can't spell Dev's name correctly and reckons 'quite right he was a Wanker' has little of value to say on Irish history. But what do you expect from a West Cork Brit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:22 PM ah yes..............***sigh***............And now the thread moves to the usual UK infighting that is sooo important to this site............11 posts and its time for some ass kicking. Hold up just a second til I get a snack and kick my recliner back...................okay....all set here.....go for it you Brittywanks........let it fly!!!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: GUEST,Garryowen Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:30 PM I'm from Mayo. This has nothing to do with 'the usual UK infighting'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:31 PM Not the UK in this case. For which some of the thanks lie with Dev, whatever his imperfections. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:45 PM For those of us in the colonies its all about the same one way or another. But never fear.....We get the same thing dumbass stuff over here and I can guarantee this thread will become populated with the usual suspects just as the threads about, say 9/11 do as well. I personally don't give a rats's ass one way, one side, one group, or another. T'is sadly the way of the 'Cat nowadays........... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 08 Nov 09 - 06:00 PM De Valera.apologies for spelling his name incorrectly, how does it then follow that I know little of Irish History. we have an intersting theory, which may or may not be true, what relevance does my nationality or where I live have. is there is an assumption that I might be anti irish? because I am critical of De Valera? even if Ithink he is a Wanker, which I do, I said that I had an open mind on the possibilty of him being a spy. I think the present situation in Ireland,owes more to the efforts of Collins and those who signed the treaty,than De Valera,the man who[imo] set Collins up,and then afterwards led the opposition,the man who formerly offerd his condolences to the German Ambassador in Dublin at the time of Hitlers death ,and the man who got himself involved in a trade war that he couldnt possibly win. De Valera the great man who replaced the first constitution with a constitution that among other things included elements of Catholic social teaching incorporated into the text, such as the articles on the role of women, the family and divorce, which were inconsistent both with the practice of the Protestant minority and with contemporary liberal opinion De Valera who got Ireland involved in an Anglo-Irish Trade War (also called the "Economic War") was a retaliatory trade war between the Irish Free State and the United Kingdom (UK) lasting from 1932 until 1938. It involved the refusal of the Irish Government to continue to reimburse Britain with the "land annuities" derived from financial loans granted by Britain to Irish tenant farmers to enable them purchase lands under the Irish Land Acts during the previous half century, a provision which was part of the 1921 Anglo-Irish Treaty. This resulted in the imposition of unilateral trade restrictions by both countries, which caused severe damage to the Irish economy. De Valera,may well have had right on his side,but therewas no way he was going to win that,the result was ordinary Irish people suffered, De Valera and MichaelCollins; After his return from America in December 1920, de Valera's relationship with Michael Collins, who had effectively masterminded the IRA campaign in his absence, came under strain as differences emerged over the conduct of the Anglo-Irish War. These were accentuated when de Valera decided not to lead the Irish delegation that negotiated the Anglo-Irish treaty. There have been two opposing interpretations of this decision. The more hostile view is that he allowed Collins to take the responsibility for what he knew would be a partial surrender. His own explanation was that by staying in Dublin he could better preserve national unity and ensure general acceptance of any agreement reached.[this is utter bollocks,why send Collins who was a military man rather than a clever politician, Collins could have kept order at home,and would have been more suited to the job] if he was an English spy,it might explain why he syaed at home I do not believe his explanation, for the above reasons I echo Amergins sentiments about Wanker. but perhaps cunning little weasel is more apt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Nov 09 - 08:11 PM Yes, too bad the Brits didn't execute them all. Too argumentative by half. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Nov 09 - 08:46 PM Good Soldier Schweik- It's just that you are so tedious. Now is that enough attention? Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: GUEST,Goose Gander Date: 09 Nov 09 - 12:44 AM I also heard that Mussolini was a British spy . . . so who was playing whom? |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Nov 09 - 12:57 AM Actually Good Soldier Schweik and Mussolini were playing "Ben Hur." Benito played Ben and Good Soldier Schweik played Hur.................go figure. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 09 Nov 09 - 03:55 AM Whether de Valera was or was not a wanker, I hold him personally responsible for the death of every man, woman and child in the Civil War. What he got in 1932 he could have had in 1922. How different it might have been had Collins lived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: De Velara a British Spy From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 09 Nov 09 - 11:02 AM If de Valera had backed the Treaty in 22 there would still have been plenty who wouldn't have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 09 Nov 09 - 02:16 PM Yep, an argumentative bunch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Den Date: 09 Nov 09 - 03:36 PM de Valera landed on the moon? |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Spy) Date: 10 Nov 09 - 08:40 AM I remember when I was active in CND in the 80s the Sun and the tories were always saying we were in the pay of the Kremlin. I wish.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Nov 09 - 09:22 AM The thing that really needs to be looked into is the never adequately documented yet still crucial role that chimpanzees played in the Irish conflict between 1901 and 1920. Were they agents for the crown or genuine patriots to the cause of freedom in Ireland? Or both? (chimps do sometimes disagree on political matters) |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Nov 09 - 01:51 PM Or were they just paid mercenaries? Workin' for the ripe banana! |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:37 PM That is a disturbing but quite plausible theory... |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Paul Burke Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:43 PM De Valera was a Spanish name, him and Franco Farrell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:44 PM Was he a descendant of survivors of the Spanish Armada? |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:11 PM Francisco Franco is still dead. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Paul Burke Date: 10 Nov 09 - 05:08 PM That's Francisco, his Californian relative. I'm talking about the Franco from Cork and Manchester. There was Franco Connor too, he was much more up Devil Era's street. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Nov 09 - 06:16 PM Jimmy Hoffa's still dead too. Not that it matters. But he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Art Thieme Date: 10 Nov 09 - 06:44 PM Wanker = jag-off, correct? Please define your terms! Art |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:01 AM That is correct, Art. Another charming term meaning the same as wanker and jag-off is the delightful British term: "tosser" Tosser and wanker are interchangeable. I think the Brits needed two terms to cover the concept because of the extraordinarily common incidence of that particular habit among British males. To have only one popular word for it just wouldn't be enough! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:06 AM Whereas the Wanks - sorry ! Yanks - have at least five, to my knowledge : Jag-off Jack-off; Beat the Meat ; Joss off ; Wind the Watch ; What were you saying about extraordinary common incidences, LH ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:48 AM Actually, if you're looking for American terms for "wanking" as opposed to wanker, the list is much longer............. Answer the Bone-A-Phone Assault on a Friendly Weapon Backstroke Roulette Baiting your Hook Batting Practice Bash The Candle Beat Off Beating the Bait Beating the Bishop Beating the Dummy Beating the Snake Beating the Stick (Please no more "beat") Beating your Meat Being your Own Best Friend Bleed the Weed Blow Your Load Bludgeon the Beefsteak Boppin' your Bologna Buckin' it Buffing the Banana Buffing the Wood Burping the Worm Butter Your Corn Calling Down For More Mayo Calling All Cum Carrying Weight Cast Off Changing your Oil Charm the Cobra Choaking Charlie 'till He Throws Up Choke Kojak Choke your Chicken Civil War Cleaning out your Rope Clean the Pipes Clean your Rifle Clubbing Eddy Couch Hockey for One Cracking the Fat Crank the Shank Cranking Cranking For Cum Crank Your Cordiano (for Joe - the man with forearms like Popeye) Crown the King Cuff the Carrot Cuffing the Puppy Cum The Scum Custer's Last Stand Date Miss Michigan Date Mother Palm and Her Five Daughters Devil's Handshake (Catholic School) Diddle Dishonorable Discharge Disseminating Doddle Whacking Doodle Your Noodle Do The Dew Drain the Dragon Drain the Monster Drain the Vein Dropping A Line Dropping Stomach Pancakes Firm Your Worm Fist Fuck Fist your Mister Five Against One Five Finger Knuckle Shuffle Five Knuckle Olympics Flogging Your Dong Flogging Your Log Flute Solo Flying a Kite Fondle the Fig Freeing the Willies Frigging the Love Muscle (British) Gallop the Antelope Gallop the Maggot Getting In Touch With Your Manhood Getting In Touch With Yourself Getting to Know Yourself Personally in the "Biblical Sense" Getting Your Caps Peeled Giving it a Tug Giving the John Hancock Grease the Pipe Greasing your Bone Hack the Hog Ham Shank Hand Job Hands on Training Hand to Gland Combat Hand Work Having a Roy (Australian) Have it Off Have One Off the Wrist Hitchhike Under the Big Top Hitching to Heaven Hit the Ham Holding All The Cards Holding Your Sausage Hostage Hone your Bone Hump your Fist Hump your Hose Humpin' Air Ironing Some Wrinkles Jack Hammer Jack Off Jackin' Jackin' the Beanstalk Jag Off J Arthur Rank (British rhyming slang - wank) Jazz Yourself Jelly Roll Jerk Off Jerk the Gherkin Jerk the Johnson Jiggle the Jewelry Jimmying your Joey Killing the Beast Knock the Top Off Knuckle Shuffle on your Piss Pump Launching the Hand Shuttle Leakin' the Main Drain Loping your Mule Making the Bald Guy Puke Making Nut Butter Making Yogurt Mangle the Midget Manipulate the Mango Manual Override Masonic Secret Self Handshake Massage your Muscle Massage your Purple-Headed Warrior Measuring For Condoms Milking the Bull Milking the Lizard Milking the Monkey Milkywaying Moulding Hot Plastic Nerk your Throbber Oil the Glove Oiling The Pogo Stick One Handed Clapping One Man Show One Man Tug-O-War Pack your Palm Paddle the Pickle Paint the Pickle Pain the Walls Pam Anderson Polka Pat the Robertson Peel Some Chilis Peel the Banana Peel the Carrot Petting Your Dog Playing With Dick Playing With Susi Palmer and her five friends Playing With Your Noodle Play Pocket Pool Play the Organ Play the Pisser Play the Piss Pipe Play the Skin Flute Play the Stand-Up Organ Playing With the Snake Playing Your Instrument Play With Yourself Pocket Pinball Pocket Pool Polish the Chrome Dome Polish the Rocket Polish the Sword Polish your Bayonet Polish your Helmet Polish your Knob Popping the Porpoise Popping The Purple Pimple Pound Off Pound Your Flounder Pound Your Piss Pump Pounding your Pud Pudwhacking Pud Wrestling Puddin' Pull the Root Pulling The Wire Pulling Your Goalie Pull Off Pulling The Piss Pump Pull the Pole Pull the Pope Pull Your Pud Pull your Taffy Pumping For Pleasure Pumping For Power Pump the Python Punchin' The Clown Punchin' The Munchkin Punishing Percy Punishing the Bishop Ram the Ham Ride the Great White Knuckler Rolling The Fleshy Blunt Roman Helmet Rhumba Ropin' the Long Horn Rope the Pony Roughing up the Suspect Rounding Up the Tadpoles Routin' for the Yankees Rub One Out Rub the Unicorn's Horn Runka (Swedish) Scraping Your Carrot Scratching the Itch Seasonin' Your Meat See Mrs. Palmer & Five Daughters Self Love Sending out the Troops Shaking Hands With Abe Lincoln Shaking Hands With the Governor Shaking Hands With Shorty Shaking Hands With the Unemployed Shake the Snake Shifting Gears Shine Your Pole Shining The Helmet Shooting Enemies Shooting Putty at the Moon Shooting Sherman Shucking Bubba Slam the Hammer Slammin' the Salami Slappin' Pappy Slapping the Clown Slap Boxing the One-Eyed Champ Slap My Happy Sacks Slap the Salami Slapping the Cyclops Slapping your Chub Slinging Jelly Sloppy Joe's Last Stand Sloppy Sign Language Stroke the Stallion Smacking your Sister Snap the Monkey Snap the Whip Snapping Your Carrot Spank the Frank Spank your Monkey Spear Chucking Spreading the Mayo Spunk the Monk Squeeze the Cream From the Flesh Twinkie Squeeze the Lemon Squeezing the Tube of Tooth Paste Squeezing the Burrito Staff Meeting Stall Clapping Stir the Soup Stroke Off Stroking It Stroking your Goat Stroke your Poker Taking a Shake Break Tame the Wild Hog Tamp your Tool Tap the Turkey Tease the Python Tease the Weasle Tenderize the Meat The Erky Jerk The Sticky Page Rhumba Threading a Needle Throw off a Batch Throwin' Down Thump the Pump Tickle the Elmo Tickle the Pickle Toss Off Toss the Boss Toss the Turkey Tugging your Toobsteak/Toobsnake Tug of War with Cyclops Tuning the Antenna Tussle with Your Muscle Unwapping the Pepperoni Varnishing the Cane Wailing Walk the Dog Walking Willie the One Eyed Wonder Worm Wank (British) Waxing the Dolphin Wax your Jackson Wax your Weasel Wax your Willy Whack Off Whack Your Tack Whip the Bishop Whip the Dummy Whip your Dripper Whipping the One-Eyed Wonder Whipping the Pony Whipping the Window Washer White Water Wristing Whizzin' Jizzim Wiggling your Worm Winding the Jack In The Box Wonk your Conker Working a Cramp out of your Muscle Working your Willy Wrestling the Eel Wring Out your Rope Wring Your Thing Yahtzee Yank My Doodle (It's a Dandy) Yank Off Yank your Crank And if you're female..................... 3 Point Shot A Night in With the Girls Airing the Orchid Auditioning the Finger Puppets Beat the Beaver Beating Around the Bush Brushing The Beaver Carpet Bumping Cat Got Tongue Checking for Squirrels Clam Bake for One Cleaning your Fingers Clitters Coming Into Your Own Countering Cunts Creamin' Coming Into Your Own Cunt Cuddling Dialing the Rotary Phone Digging a Trench Doing your Nails Dousing the Digits Drilling For Oil Engaging in Safe Sex Erasing the Problem Fanning the Fur Feeding the Bearded Clam Feeding your Slot Fiddling the Bean Fingerbating Fingerpainting Finger Blasting Flickin' the Bean Flit your Clit Fucking Without Complications Gagging the Clam Gagging the Lips of Love Genital Stimulation via Phalangetic Motion Get a Lube Job Get To Know Yourself Get a Stinky Pinky Going Mining Groping the Grotto Greasing your Hips Grissle Rub Gusset Typing Having Sex With Someone you Love Hee-Haw with wrinkled Mee-Maw Hitchhiking South Hitchhiking to Heaven Hitchhiking Under the Big Top Jillin' Off Jocelyn Eldering Let Your Fingers do the Walkin' Levy Break Limbo Making Soup Manual Override Muffin Buffin' Nulling the Void Paddling the Pink Canoe Pampering the Pussy Parting the Red Sea Pearl Fishing Pet the Petunia Pet the Pussy Cat Polishing the Nugget Polishing the Peanut Polishing the Pearl Play Poker Play the Clitar Play Couch Hockey for One Play the Silent Trumbone Playing With Her Pineapple Playing with Mrs. Palmer's Five Daughters Playing With the Man in the Boat Pushing the Button Pussy Soccer Riding the Unicycle Rolling the Dough Rubbin' the Nubbin Rubbing the Donut Rubbing the Red Pussycat Scoring the Hoop Slapping the Mackerel Soaking the Whisker Biscuit Spelunking Spearing the Bearded Clam Squeeze the Peach Strumming Strumming the Banjo Surfing the Channel Teasing the Kitty Teasing the Tuna Taco Testing the Plumbing The Virgin's Release Tickling the Taco Tiptoe Through the TwoLips Toggling the Bit Tossing Pink Salad Trolling the Bermuda Triangle Two Finger Taco Tango Washing your Fingers Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Nov 09 - 07:19 AM My gawd! |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 11 Nov 09 - 07:47 AM Voice of experience, huh, Spaw? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 07:58 AM Bonnie, Having lived in the US during the 80s I can quite understand the need for Americans to have so many different terms to describe the one activity. It is a big country, after all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 11 Nov 09 - 08:33 AM Good Grief ! What happened to the old J. Arthur ?? (UK rhyming slang). P S what happened to de Valera . . . ? Just thought I'd ask . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 09:53 AM Probably died choking his chicken...........read: its a dumbass troll type of thread and its too late for anyone short of a total wanker to really give a shit. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:04 PM Catspaw 49 ,if you dont like the thread, go and find another. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 01:41 PM Oh, I'm having a perfectly good time here myself. I'm looking forward to Hawk supplying more information about the role of the Chimps in all this. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:35 PM oh, are you how jolly,you complain about the thread then go about enjoying yourself.spaws obviusly an expert on wanking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:38 PM Thread started by a troll, but Catspaw's list makes it worthwhile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:48 PM Why the need to label GSS a 'troll'? Not knowing a great deal about the people and events involved (bar de Valera's desertion of Collins & his men), it seems a genuinely interesting story that the Good Soldiers flagged up to my mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:03 PM On Mudcat this qualifies as "troll type" since the subject matter draws contentiousness like flies to a dung heap. Granted that folks like Hawk and I aren't adding anything but we are certainly enjoying ourselves. This of course doesn't stop any real historical content from being added but then Hawk and I don't mind the interuption either! Besides, the Chimp angel just might be the key to unearthing newfound theories on motivation and purposes. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:10 PM Exactly what I was thinking. Hey, Good Soldier, you have no idea... What Spaw doesn't know about wanking simply isn't worth knowing. ;-) Trust me. After all, he spent many years reading the comic Cheech Wizard, and he liked it! Anyone who does that has gotta be the ne plus ultra of wankers, the apotheosis of degenerate tossers extraordinaire, the final fecking word on the subject. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Amergin Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:14 PM I wonder, Little Hawk, how you came by such personal knowledge on Spaw's wanking abilities? |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:19 PM I asked Chongo. You wouldn't believe the network of simian investigators he has out there collecting dirt on various people for future reference when it might come in handy. They put Sherlock Holmes' "Baker Street irregulars" to shame. Chongo tells me that Spaw has been spanking the monkey so hard lately that it's starting to hit back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Paul Burke Date: 11 Nov 09 - 03:32 PM Though I understand the Baker Street Irregulars were cured by juduicious use of senna pods. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:01 PM I find it of interest that Dev, may or may not have been an English spy. but if no one else does just leave the thread alone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:09 PM But I leave it to the Hawkster to keep Chongo's Chicken appropriately choked! I think we need more senna pod info......What effect do senna pods have on chimps? This might explain why CHongo gets erect in the presence of Canadian folk singers! Hawk is simply jealous that my buddy Cheech taught me his ways and his power over little orphan girls while LH's hero, one Major Tom, went off the radar while whipping the bishop. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:16 PM Watch out for the Great Pumpkin, riding high in this season, and punishing those who stuff the hole in the turkey with the wrong ingredients. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:17 PM Whoa!! Damnation Q! That sounds painful! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:33 PM Fo, fo, fo, for de Valera In comes Mary at the door aye oh Mary is the one who will have a bit of fun And we don't want Annie any more aye oh. Rope skipping song honoring de Valera, from Dublin. Now who was this Mary and was having a "bit of fun" what it sounds like? Did rejected Annie take revenge? Maybe she was the one who started the story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:04 PM LOL! This is the first thread on the Irish Troubles that I have genuinely enjoyed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: MartinRyan Date: 11 Nov 09 - 06:42 PM Before this gets out of hand (so to speak) that skipping rhyme would have been "Vote, vote for De Valera". The girls were the next in line - isn't that always the way?! ;>) Regards |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Nov 09 - 07:41 PM MartinRyan correctly names the political election song on which the skipping rhyme is based. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:05 AM Seriously, tho ' - and to humour Dick - if de Valera had been a British spy (and I remain to be convinced) why did he oppose the 'Anglo-Irish Treaty' ? It seems to me that if he were working for the British he would have welcomed the 'Treaty' with open arms (so to speak) ? Do not suggest that he was playing a 'long game' - I said it above and I'll say it again - what he got in 1932 he could have had in 1922 ; and if he had been a British spy, on his terms. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:08 AM No, on second thoughts, the posts on wanking are more interesting, especially 'Spaw's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: freda underhill Date: 12 Nov 09 - 11:59 AM Margaret Thatcher was secretly working with Castro, implementing the theory that things have to get worse so the people will rise up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: freda underhill Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:07 PM De valera's father was Cuban, so maybe there is a link there.... perhaps Maggie Thatcher is secretly Castro's sister and working quietly, using Chongo the Chimp as interlocutor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:13 PM Whoa! What a concept! |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: freda underhill Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:17 PM deep, I know. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Nov 09 - 02:11 PM Very deep......Let's have Hawk use his special underground garage source...Deep Chimp. I have one of those souces too but he's strung out on cocaine all the time. They call him Deep Crack and he's always a bit behind on things........ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:11 PM Deep Chimp has revealed things to me that I dare not even share with my close friends on Mudcat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:15 PM Make that closest friends on Mudcat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:46 PM Well at least its not your closet friends on Mudcat. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh Date: 13 Nov 09 - 05:14 AM Wot ? No wanking ? I'm going home, so there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM A couple of additions to Catspaw's list: Wet the brush- translated from Mexican Spanish Stoke the fire Bird in the nest (Spanish gipsy) |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 10 Dec 09 - 03:56 PM originally Posted by The Zurich Connection View Post 'De Valera was a British spy' Book claims national hero was 'turned' after 1916 By John Spain Books Editor Monday October 26 2009 A NEW book to be published next month makes the shocking claim that Eamon de Valera, the founding father of the nation, was under the control of the British. The book, provocatively titled 'England's Greatest Spy: Eamon de Valera', suggests that Dev was terrified of being executed after the Rising and was "turned" in exchange for his life. For some years afterwards, the book claims, Dev was under British control. The 470-page hardback is published by Stacey International, a London publisher specialising in politics and history. The author is retired US naval officer and historian John Turi from Princeton, New Jersey. He developed an interest in Irish history through his wife, who was born in Ireland. Turi has been researching his controversial book for a decade. The case against de Valera by Turi is based firstly on a detailed analysis of Dev's emotionally stunted formative years. He claims Dev was rejected by everyone in his early life -- his mysterious father in New York (in fact, Dev was probably illegitimate), his mother, his uncle in Ireland, who treated him coldly, even the Church, which rejected his ambitions for the priesthood because of his probable illegitimacy. His miserable upbringing left Dev with an inadequate personality, Turi suggests, which made him susceptible to being influenced later on. Turi is scathing about Dev's erratic behaviour during the Rising, when he was in charge of the men at Boland's Mill. He stayed awake for days, became disorientated and issued confused, sometimes ridiculous, orders. "It was not just his tactics the men questioned," Turi writes, "they questioned his sanity as well." Dev kept his men "sitting on their heels" while a short distance away at Mount Street Bridge eight Volunteers were trying to hold off hundreds of British soldiers. In fact the men at Boland's Mill played little or no part in the Easter Week fighting, Turi says, because Dev was so exhausted and fearful. At the end of the week, when word reached Boland's Mill of the surrender, Turi writes that de Valera "abandoned his men and slipped out of Boland's at noon on the Sunday, taking with him a British prisoner . . . as his insurance against being shot before he could surrender". Cowardly "De Valera the cowardly, incompetent, mentally unstable officer who deserted his troops was (later) repackaged as de Valera the lonely hero fighting valiantly against overwhelming odds." What followed was also suspicious, Turi says. Dev later claimed that he was tried with a number of other men and sentenced to death. Turi writes: "Not one of the men allegedly tried with de Valera ever confirmed that such a trial took place, and there is no trace in the British Public Record Office of any trial." He also quotes the flat denial by the army prosecuting officer, William Wylie, that de Valera had been tried. Turi also considers Dev's fragile mental state and tearful collapse at Richmond Barracks the night before he was taken to Kilmainham, to where condemned prisoners were sent. All the events indicate that Dev was terrified of dying, Turi suggests, and that it would have been easy for the British intelligence officer Ivor Price to turn Dev into a British collaborator. Major Price was "skilled at manipulating weakness". Turi notes that Dev was the only one of four Dublin commandants not to be tried and executed. He dismisses theories that Dev was spared because he was born in America or because the British realised that further executions would be a mistake; as others were executed later. The only reasonable explanation, Turi claims, is that Dev was "turned". In all, Turi sets forth a dozen instances of what he calls "de Valera's machinations that aided and abetted British interests" to support this claim. Collins Some of this 'evidence' concerns Dev's activities in the US after he was released from prison -- which split the powerful Irish-American lobby. Turi also says the British feared what Michael Collins might do in the North and used de Valera to engineer the situation that resulted in Collins's death. Turi also calls Irish neutrality during the World War II "a hoax on the Irish people and a major boon for English interests". His book, which ends with a call for a posthumous trial of de Valera, will be published in Ireland and Britain on November 30 and in the US next year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Ebbie Date: 10 Dec 09 - 08:59 PM Spaw! I can't believe it. I've known this country song for a good 50 years and I never knew! Ignorance is bliss, they say. I'm a-walkin' the dog and I'm never blue I'm walkin' the dog. Ain't thinking about you Don't need no one to tie me down I'm walkin' the dog and a-paintin' the town Such an easy life I ever knew Until the day that I lost you I'm a carefree lad that's seen the light I'm walking the dog all the day and all night Well i'm full of strength and just can't grow old I got a one track mind so I've been told But I'm fancy free and don't worry no how and I'm walkin' the dog all the law will allow |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 26 Dec 09 - 02:59 PM a very interesting book,the author makes a very good case. open minded people should read it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Paul Burke Date: 26 Dec 09 - 06:42 PM Rubbish. De Valera was a Mason and an agent of the illuminati. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 28 Dec 09 - 04:37 PM page 351,quote. Despite all his efforts to publicly eliminate the trappings of British rule,de Valera continued to receive his commission from the Governor General, and whenever travelling outside the country, he requested a British passport so as to enjoy the protection of the Crown. page 397 quote. When travelling abroad, de Valera recognized the King of England as King of Ireland and signed his passport acknowledging the fact that he was a subject of the King seeking safe passage under the Crown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: The Sandman Date: 29 Dec 09 - 07:01 AM Subject: RE: BS: de Valera a British Spy From: Bryn Pugh - PM Date: 12 Nov 09 - 04:05 AM Seriously, tho ' - and to humour Dick - if de Valera had been a British spy (and I remain to be convinced) why did he oppose the 'Anglo-Irish Treaty' ? It seems to me that if he were working for the British he would have welcomed the 'Treaty' with open arms (so to speak) ? Do not suggest that he was playing a 'long game' - I said it above and I'll say it again - what he got in 1932 he could have had in 1922 ; and if he had been a British spy, on his terms. buy the book, read it,and consider the arguments the author puts forward. virtually everything, De Valera did worked to the benefit of the British, check out how he managed to split irish american support, check out his splitting tactics generally. people should read the bOok ,before making ignorant unknowledgable staements. he was Edward de Valera,not Eammonn.he was aconsummate liar. |
