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Subject: BS: Friends of Amos? From: beardedbruce Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:01 AM 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires Tuesday, February 15, 2005 MILWAUKEE — Five Democratic campaign staffers — including the sons of a congresswoman and a former city official — were ordered Tuesday to stand trial for allegedly vandalizing Republican get-out-the-vote vans on Election Day. The five are accused of slashing the tires of 25 vans rented by the state GOP to drive voters and monitors to the polls. The felony charge carries a maximum punishment of 3 1/2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Arraignment was set for March 4. The defendants include the sons of Wisconsin Rep. Gwen Moore (search) and former acting Mayor Marvin Pratt (search). At a preliminary hearing, Levar Stoney and Opel Simmons, two Democratic presidential campaign workers sent to Wisconsin in the final weeks of the campaign, testified they were in the Milwaukee headquarters when the five left just after 3 a.m. Election Day and returned shortly after. "They seemed to be excited, excitable, kind of gleeful, laughing and kind of joking," Simmons said. Stoney said Michael Pratt (search), the former acting mayor's son, talked about slashing a couple of tires, and Moore's son, Sowande Omokunde, also talked about the vandalism. He said at least one had a knife; he could not recall which one. Defense attorneys suggested Stoney and Simmons were also part of an alleged plan to plaster the GOP office and property with Kerry-Edwards (search) signs and bumper stickers before polls opened. Prosecutors contend the five defendants came up with the tire-slashing plan after a security guard was posted at the GOP office.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,Charley Noble Date: 16 Feb 05 - 08:53 AM Well, I for one hope they are all hanged. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,Rapaire Date: 16 Feb 05 - 08:57 AM I hope that they are all hanged, drawn, and quartered and their remains burnt and thrown into Lake Michigan, after which all records of their existence are expunged and anyone who knew them brainwashed. This isn't new news.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:06 AM Yeah, and they should punish the kids that slashed the tires, too!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,Azizi Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:19 AM Oh, yes, let's take one person's word and hope that the accused persons "are all hanged, drawn, and quartered and their remains burnt and thrown into Lake Michigan, after which all records of their existence are expunged and anyone who knew them brainwashed." ???!!! Isn't that a tad EXCESSIVE for this ALLEGED crime? Are you advocating a return of the American custom of LYNCHING?? Maybe you have forgotten or never knew that sometimes after lynching bodies were mutilated such as you described. Furthermore, what happened to the treasured American standard of justice that a person is INNOCENT until proven guilty. Is this what America has come to??? And what in the world does this have to do with Amos??! I am disappointed and FURIOUS that in 2005 some people are still promoting the act of hanging, drawing, quartering, burning remains, and throwing them away like excess garbage.. This is not a racial thing. This is a HUMAN thing. If this thread was started with the intent of light Republican vs Democrat humor and ribbing, I for one am not laughing. Ms. Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,Amos Date: 16 Feb 05 - 09:57 AM I asked Joe to delete this thread as a personal attack. It is too late, I suppose. But BBruce, I am disappointed. This was beneath you, and if this is representative of your logical processes, I need offer no further comment. I expect you will come to your senses about it, though. I hope so. I have many friends here. I have many friends in real space as well. None of them are anything like the people you have written about in your post. None of them would expect that sort of caper from me or any of my friends. You should know better, and I am sorry you did not. You are for sure one broke-dick mammalucca. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:22 AM I agree with Amos. This thread title is totally inappropriate. And B.Bruce, you're slow on the attack anyway, this is an OLD story. "Bad winners" is what folks like BeardedBruce are being called these days. No one has cornered the market on virtue, or on crime. Many of us are not naive enough to think that our own party is perfect, or that everyone will behave well. BB trying to hang Amos in the immature behavior of some folks in Wisconsin is a petty, mean-spirited move. Not that this is out of character for BBruce, but it is something that needs to be cleaned up. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Peace Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:26 AM Amos is a man I am honoured to consider a good friend. This thread is shit, IMO. Thought you were better than that, BB. Guess not. Azizi, Rapaire is one of the craziest, kindest and more intelligent people on the 'cat. His remarks were tongue in cheek. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,SRS Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:31 AM It is enough to see that name "Rapaire" to know that you must broaden your settings and consider several possibilities when interpreting his posts (the BS factor is high on the list, followed by sarcastic wit, then ironic intent, but do not forget the scholarly reference librarian underpinning). He wouldn't really want to see all of those things happen. Worst he'd call for is to maybe put them to a little hard labor, digging those chest freezers out from under his back porch. . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Peace Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:33 AM I think, however, that there should be a middle ground between the punishments suggested by Charley Noble and Rapaire. Is there a way we could work rusty nails into their punishment? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: SINSULL Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:34 AM Oh dear - a joke gone bad. Amos, you know I love you. Trust me when I say the Bearded One meant this as a friendly jibe. How about we let it drop and I will help you plan some appropriate prank for the Getaway? Nair maybe or a gentle waxing? OK with you, Bruce? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:36 AM I read this thread differently. I am a friend of Amos. You talkin' about me? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: rumanci Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:42 AM I'd hate to be the subject of an "unfriendly jibe" from you BB - and nor should my friends have to receive them rumanci |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Alaska Mike Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM I count Amos among my list of friends as well. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: khandu Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:49 AM I don't know the bearded one; never have shared posting with him. I assumed upon reading his post that it was meant as friendly barb...howbeit, an odd one. I have let my humor get a bit over the line in the Cafe a few times & thought Bb had done the same. If it was meant viciously, it will become apparent soon enough. Dear Rapaire in fine form , was showing the ignorance of certain mentalities by taken them to the extreme. Friends of Amos? Practically all of Mudcat holds him in high esteem & would delight in having him as a friend! k |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:51 AM Amos is a friend of mine, too. You got a problem with that? Wanna step outside? Guns, fists, knives, swords, or just a good old fashioned cursing contest -- real curses, not namby-pamby namecalling...your choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Áine Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:55 AM If this were a joke, it ain't funny. Amos is my next-best friend of the male persuasion (my first best, of course, being my husband). I can understand how this kind of joke could seem funny in one's head; however, I think it should have stayed there. But aren't we all guilty of some mighty, mighty faux pas at one time or another in our lives? Goodness knows I'm not going to be the first one in line to throw stones -- I've got enough cracks in my glass house already! -- Áine |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Amos Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:18 AM OK, Sins, I'll consider it dropped. I'll bring the Nair. :) You guys are the best. Thanks very, very much; your posts mean a lot to me. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:21 AM It's Bb's history of annoying, ill-thought-out posts that has me reading this as a dig, not a gentle gibe or a teasing riposte. I too opened it originally thinking it was some homage to Amos. Instead here was an article about some Democratic pranksters who didn't have the good sense to leave the Republican election folks alone, and they'll pay for their crimes. It's the "guilt by association" dig that Bb was aiming at (though he may protest the matter now--anyone who has been at Mudcat over the last year knows how Bb does business, and it usually is a poorly-formed argument and countless rebuttals). I don't think we need a thread that attempts to shackle Amos with the poor-spirited acts of the dunces in Wisconsin. And we don't need an endictment of Beardedbruce thread either, though this is likely to evolve into one if it doesn't go away pretty soon. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: SINSULL Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:22 AM And I will bring the hot wax! heh heh Another prank hatched. And it was so easy to suck Amos into it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,Giok Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:23 AM We loves ya baby. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Little Hawk Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:26 AM Yes! I am a friend of Amos. Amos is great. He is a man who should serve as an inspiration to all of us. Thanks for thinking of this worthy subject and bringing together the many friends of Amos, Bearded Bruce. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Once Famous Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:43 AM OK, forget about Amos. what do you other radicals think of this that BB posted? If it was the other way around, I am sure you would be doing the usual howling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Azizi Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:47 AM Brucie, thanks for the head's up. Rapaire, I'm sorry for taking literally your words upthread that were written in sarcasm. Please accept my apology for misunderstanding your intent. I've mentioned before that sometimes I'm slow on the uptake when it comes to wit and humor. I gotta work on that... Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Peace Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:53 AM IMO, the problem isn't slashed tires, per se; it is, rather, people who hang around on the streets carrying knives. Frankly, I don't see things like Watergate as being specifically Republican peculiarities. They are human and definitely stupid. Stupidity isn't confined to a specific part of the political spectrum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: hesperis Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:54 AM Well, I do know that in Indiana, cars with "vote kerry"-type stickers on them often had the stickers taken off again and again. I hadn't heard of any specific vandalism but there were several people worried that their car would be vandalized if they put a kerry sticker on it. I didn't hear any worries about bush stickers. But what the actions of people on the lunatic fringe willing to obstruct democracy by vandalizing vehicles involved in the process have to do with either party, or with Amos, is rather beyond me. Isn't it just plain stupid to obstruct those with different beliefs, no matter what your beliefs are? Would you be happy that someone vandalized cars, as long as they were the "enemy" cars? I'm a friend of Amos. And being a friend of his has nothing to do with my political beliefs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Don Firth Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:28 PM I don't know Amos personally, but from his posts, I know him to be thoughtful and well-informed. He has the courage and incentive to advocate his views strongly, along with plenty of citations and documentation to back up what he says—something that not everybody seems to be able to do. Some people here on Mudcat who don't share that viewpoint, or perhaps especially Amos's backing up what he posts with documentation, seem to feel impelled to attack him as a person rather than attempt to present rational, well-documented arguments of their own. This is the sort of thing one expects from those who operate on their gut-reactions rather than from positions arrived at through a rigorous thought process. That was a cheap shot. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: GUEST,~S~ Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:33 PM I think this qualifies as the Official Opening of Silly Season-- that annual season at Mudcat when we do the dumbest things for the silliest reasons, and spark off a round of upset among all the rest of the gang-- it's really cabin fever laced with a little SAD and CRS! It's usually best (in Silly Season) to just roll one's eyes and let "it" (whatever the manifestation) just go. C'mon, old regulars-- admit it. It's Silly Season! No avoiding it. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Bert Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:41 PM Martin, how can we forget about Amos, he's our buddy. That's why everyone is a bit miffed at beardedbruce. When I first read the thread, I didn't take it as a specific dig against Amos. I felt that it could easily have been any of our Democrat posters. As for the tire slashing. A mean spirited act of vandalism. And that is what everyone is saying when they rush to the defence of Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: kendall Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:48 PM First, Amos is a friend of mine. Second, IF that charge of vandalism is true they should be punished in a manner that fits the crime. What they did hardly rises to the level of what the republicans did in Florida, driving blacks away from the polls, removing their names from the voting lists etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:49 PM Martin, slashing tires is vandalism. I'm against that and think that WHOEVER does it should be punished. Maybe not hung, drawn and quartered, but punished. And I don't care if it were Howard Dean, Jena Bush, or Ralph Nader. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: jimmyt Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:51 PM I enjoy Amos around here and have nothing against BB, but honestly, I sort of took the whole thing tongue in cheek and would be surprised if there was more of an agenda than just that. If I am wrong, you can just say,"well there is another obtuse Conservative." Whomever did this act of vandalism is a vandal. Wrong is wrong, whether it is one party or the other. But, back to the thread title, Bearded Bruce, if it was a joke, why not just say so and everyone will put away the brass knuckles and get back to normal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Ebbie Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:13 PM There is one major difference between the 'liberal' Democrats and the 'conservative' Republicans. Liberals make no bones or excuses about the legality or appropriateness of vandalizing cars for whatever reason. I suspect that if it were the conservatives responding to one of their own, we'd hear totally different reasoning. I too hope that this thread was meant as a goodnatured jab to the ribs. Anything else would be nastier than usual. Judging by what outrages him, Amos is a thoughtful and articulate good man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:25 PM vandalism is vandalism, no matter whose tires were slashed...... but even suggesting that one of our members might approve of such idiocy is bad taste or careless phrasing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: annamill Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:35 PM Drat! I was just coming in to put my name on the long list and here it is a bad joke. In my day, a long time ago, those "kids" would've been brought by their ears to their parents and Dad would kick their ass and make them pay for the damage and apologize. Today, we put them in jail. That will make them better persons. (tongue in cheek) Yes, they should be strongly punished, but I have my doubts that prison would be the best teacher. Along with all the others, I love you too, Amos. Annamill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: jacqui.c Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:38 PM I'll go with LH - this thread has shown the high esteem in which Amos is held on this site. Sins - include me in on the Getaway mischief here. More victims! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: SINSULL Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:05 PM Ebbie, Dear Lady. You say "I suspect that if it were the conservatives responding to one of their own, we'd hear totally different reasoning." Have you forgotten Watergate? And we're off... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:22 PM Actually "Friends of Amos" has a great ring to it. Sort of Old Testament Vigilantes. John Brown style, with a wild-eyes prophet bringing on the Day of Wrath... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Ebbie Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:32 PM Evidently I have forgotten Watergate, Sins. Are you saying that it was the Republicans who were outraged at the stupidity of the breakin and the Democrats who said, Oh, that's OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Peace Date: 16 Feb 05 - 02:57 PM The problem is that crime is crime and not the exclusive 'property' of any given political group. The Reps had Nixon and the Dems had Clinton. Yippee. What a joy is democracy and appealing to the lowest common denominator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Rapparee Date: 16 Feb 05 - 03:06 PM I dunno about "common denominator" but it sure appeals to the lowest sometimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Bobert Date: 16 Feb 05 - 03:16 PM Well, I told Amos that if he was gonna slash them tires that it'd come back to bite him, but would he listen to me??? Heck no, and now he's payin' the price... Bad, Amos, bad... Now repent and slash no more... Rev. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friends of Amos? From: Don Firth Date: 16 Feb 05 - 03:41 PM Ebbie, other way around. When the Republicans broke into Democratic headquarters in the Watergate Hotel and the Democrats howled about it, it was the Republicans who tried to stonewall, hush it up, and generally make it sound like a minor prank. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: Amos Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:14 PM LOL! I have promised Joe I would go to the Getaway and make friends with BBruce. Thanks, guys. I love you too. Amos |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: PoppaGator Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:25 PM When some idiots commit this kind of prank/crime, isn't it worse when you learn they're from one's own "side"? I, for one, enjoy news of this kind much more when I can blame it on "those other guys." I'm sure that's how BB was feeling when he so belatedly found this bit of old news. Why single out Amos, though? Why not, for instance, me? I feel left out... I suppose it because Amos is not only persistent but also so thorough and diligent in assembling evidence and documentation for his arguments ~ can't get to him via reasoned debate, so only a cheap shot will do. |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: Once Famous Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:33 PM That's because Amos lives for this place. this is his life, folks. anyone who takes all of the time and trouble as he does shows how narrow an Internet life can be. So he assembles loads of documentation proving a point here. I'd rather just fuck around, have a good time, and do some other stuff that's life enhancing while he's trying to prove a point that will be an old topic tomorrow and no one will care. Ah, the ENTERTAINMENT of it all. |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:37 PM BBruce is an amiable guy, Amos, as I know you are..*grin*....I don't 'think' I'll need to referee....besides, you both disagree with ME on lotsa stuff. |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: Amos Date: 16 Feb 05 - 04:56 PM Martin: I don't live for the Mudcat. But I have friends here, so I try to treat their slice of cyberspace with a bit of courtesy and respect, and, ya know, not pee in the soup. You LIVE on peed-in soup. A |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Feb 05 - 05:25 PM And I for one think we ought to hang together! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: 5 Dems to Stand Trial for Slashing GOP Tires From: curmudgeon Date: 16 Feb 05 - 05:31 PM Or we shall surely hang separately -- Tom (thanks to B. Franklin) |
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