Subject: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Don Firth Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:46 PM Brace yourself. Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,heric Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:48 PM Question: They are allowed to (and do) make that without any permission from or profit to GBJ, right? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Rapparee Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:55 PM dear god..... |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Amos Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:55 PM DeeeeSGUSTIN', is what!! Are they gonna do the Cokehead Doll and the AWOL doll? The Georgie-Liar Doll? I don't mind a little mythmaking but I hate to see myths built on such crappy subsoil... A |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Sorcha Date: 11 Aug 03 - 12:56 PM Weird.....the first time I clicked on it I got sent to a toy/doll page with no GWB. 2nd time I got GWB........ |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: kendall Date: 11 Aug 03 - 01:11 PM I think I'm gonna puke. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Alba Date: 11 Aug 03 - 01:23 PM ROFL. Coming soon folks, National Security Advisor Cindy!! Avaitor LOL !!! Does anyone know any 14 year olds (the suggested age for suitabilty) that would want this...... Yes indeed from the sublime to the ridiculous! JD |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Wesley S Date: 11 Aug 03 - 01:46 PM Do they sell any pins to go with it ? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Ebbie Date: 11 Aug 03 - 01:49 PM What utter garbage. The sad thing is this is how myths are created. A generation is going to grow up admiring how dashing their illustrious leader looked in 'his' uniform. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Bobert Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:08 PM Here we go again! I'm still awaitin' a response from the White House on my carrier landin' challenge but ain't heard nuthin' back from 'em... Hmmmmmm? Maybe, just maybe, he was in the plane but not actually, ahhhh, flying the danged thing. No matter, Vegas still has the odds at 121 to 1 that if Bush actually had to attempt a carrier landing without a real pilot in the plane, he'd crash! I'm also awaitin' Bush the Christain doll. That one ought to be a real hoot!... Bobert |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Teribus Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:09 PM Correct me if I am wrong, but last Christmas didn't they bring out a GWB doll, that came out with the more famous "Bushisms" - nobody thought that little marketing exercise worthy of comment - so it's OK if it's slanted in one direction but totally disgusting if slanted t'other way - collectively your lack of perspective and objectivity is showing. Remember the makers of this type of product in the US or for the US market, bring law suits to bankrupt charities (Remember the Princess Di doll saga). Personally I haven't a clue who would buy one, certainly not me, altogether an extremely "tacky" idea, that does nothing to uphold the dignity of the Office of the President of the United States (irrespective of incumbent). But there again this is the nation that exports as best examples of it's TV shows, Ricky Lake, Jerry Springer, et al. You are right - no comments are necessary. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: katlaughing Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:12 PM good gawd, indeed |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Amos Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:17 PM Well, the original PR caper on the flight deck didn't do anything to uphold the Dignity of the Office either, T. IMHO, it hasn't been so mistreated since 1973. A |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:25 PM "A generation is going to grow up admiring how dashing their illustrious leader looked in 'his' uniform." Surely it's more likely they'll grow up dropping him on his head from the upstairs bedroom, and burying him in the flowerbeds, and fighting over him with the dog and so forth. Or hating their parents because they wanted Homer Simpson for Christmas and they got this dork. "Toy Story III" might feature him... |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,leo condie Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:28 PM they'll probably sell more of these dolls "ironically" than they will to bona fide patriotic americans. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Bill D Date: 11 Aug 03 - 02:48 PM you oughta buy a couple...in 20 years they'll be serious collectors items! how come they never made an action figure of Michael Dukakis riding in the tank back in '88? Oh...I see now |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Don Firth Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:04 PM I wonder how many people are going to buy this for their dashboards, replacing the plastic figure they have there now. . . . Don Firth Sorry! I wasn't going to comment. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: lady penelope Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:13 PM As a British subject, may I just say hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oooh, I needed a laugh, thanks Don. TTFN Lady P. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Bill D Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:26 PM "I don't care if my knees turn rubbry, Long as I got my plastic 'shrubbry' Ridin' on the dashboard of my car. Never mind them tare-ist's tryin', My SuperPrez just keeps a-flyin' Mumbling words of honor and of war" (best I could do in 5 minutes...have at it, all you poets) |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,amergin Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:29 PM Watch out Penelope...Blair might be next.... |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: kendall Date: 11 Aug 03 - 03:47 PM How about a Malcolm Muggeridge doll? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Dharmabum Date: 11 Aug 03 - 04:36 PM This is gonna look so cool hanging from my rear view mirror! (Betcha it's anatomically correct too) DB. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: NicoleC Date: 11 Aug 03 - 05:18 PM T, I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash at a "President GWB" doll or even a "Commander in Chief" doll in a suit to go with the set. Both bear some resemblance to reality, as does a doll that says actual quotes. But calling GWB an "Elite Aviator" is a rather stomach-churning insult to the real elite aviators who stick their necks on the line. How about a doll of the pilot who actually flew the plane that day instead? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Greg F. Date: 11 Aug 03 - 05:33 PM Thus is history subtly re-written and slipped, insensibly, into the minds of the gullible. It ain't all storm-trooper stuff, folks. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Deckman Date: 11 Aug 03 - 05:39 PM Don, I don't know if I should laugh or cry! But I can tell you who IS going to buy a lot of those dolls ... the airmen on the carrier Lincoln. I know this because last June, I got a tour of the carrier at her homeport of Everett, which is where I live. During the 5 hour tour I saw most everything. I even got to sat in the Captains chair, 90' about the flight deck. Later I learned that it was the same chair that bush sat in. (this means that bush and I have something in common, I just haven't figured out what it is). I met several of the pilots that were there the day bush landed on the ship. They were, understandably, a very gungho bunch. I'll bet that air wing buys a lot of those dolls. CHEERS, Bob |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Gareth Date: 11 Aug 03 - 06:57 PM Well - as Mudcatters will know from other threads I am not a fan of GWB Jnr - but, hell he is your president, not ours. You will also be aware that I am a Railway enthusiast. (Danger - Anorak Alert) One of he things we do when modeling British Railways is "weather" our models ie put the dirt and the grime and the rust on them, as real rolling stock was. I believe the US of A modelers do the same. Now just supposing GWB Jnr had attempted to land, in control, on that carrier. Musical Interlude look up the "A-25" song in the DT Click 'Ere I think we can assumne that there would have been a nasty mess, probably a "flamer", or a "bounce" over the wall, or both. A pint of "Bitter" to the 'Catter, or "lurker" who can provide the best image of GWN jnr, after the body was recovered. No need to buy the GWB Jnr doll, the features would be unrecognisable, burnt, or after a day or two in the water, any "weathered" "Action Man" or "GI Joe" would suffice as the basic model. Photo's in JPG format to garethwilliams@gareth72.fsnet.uk.co. I'll put the repeatable ones up on the Web. Remember, the soft tissues go first. Still let us be happy it did not happen - President Chenney (SP) anyone ?? And yes I have got a sick mind !!! Gareth |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Jim Dixon Date: 11 Aug 03 - 07:14 PM In answer to heric's question: Yes, I think they can do this without GWB's permission, at least in America, because GWB is a "public figure." Legally, it's no different from drawing a caricature of him in an editorial cartoon, or putting his picture on the cover of a book about him (e.g. Molly Ivins' Shrub). Click here for an article about the Princess of Wales Memorial Fund vs. The Franklin Mint. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST Date: 11 Aug 03 - 08:59 PM The REALLY sad part is these things are probably made by slave labor in Communist China. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 11 Aug 03 - 09:02 PM I'm so damned proud to be an AMERICAN I could just shit. Bruce |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Aug 03 - 11:43 PM HOLY MILITARIA, BATMAN!!! This is gonna be a hot item with collectors, and they did the head sculpt quite well too. These figures are highly detailed, the equipment being particularly well done, but they are still not as good as the Dragon brand figures from Taiwan...some of which have individually movable fingers as well as all the other major joints in the body. If Dragon did GBJ you could raise his middle finger in the famous salute (aimed at whomever you please). Let's hope Dragon sees fit to do their own George Bush Jr 6-inch figure soon. Alba - It's not 14-year-olds who collect this stuff (mostly). It's adults from their twenties to their fifties who do. Believe me, I know about this, because I have been a hobby item collector for years. Kids play video games and do a little Dungeons & Dragons cum Sci-Fi type stuff like the Warhammer figures. Adults collect historical military figures and military vehicle models...or model trains...or model cars. Dharmabum - I'm sorry to tell you that it is most certainly not anatomically correct. You'd be surprised to know how odd these military figures look when their outer gear and clothing is removed. The knee joints and hip joints and other fulcrums are clearly far from human in contour. The torso likewise is lacking certain features such as nipples, hair, navel, and genitalia, and the entire pubic region is vestigial and sexless, to say the least. Sort of robot-like. Quite disappointing. The best idea with these guys is KEEP THE CLOTHES ON 'EM AT ALL TIMES!!! They look great and very manly as long as you do that, and they can assume virtually any position except for certain of the toughest yoga postures. GUEST - Good guess. All those figures are made in China, and to a pretty impressive level of quality too. Downright amazing in some cases. I shudder to think how little the workers are paid for doing it. The Dragon line alone must have put out maybe 300 different figures by now, mostly of WWII soldiers, but some of the later wars, and some of law enforcement officers, and so on...it's a big business, and adult collectors are its customers. It's rather comparable to collecting diecast 1/12 scale cars, you might say, but more military. They can definitely do it without GW's permission, cos he's a public figure, but they CAN'T do me or Spaw without our permission, so be thankful for small favours. (I've always fancied being done in Sioux Indian regalia or else a suit of armour...) And Bill, you are dead right...HOT collector item somewhere down the line. At $39.99, that's a steal! Yes, indeedy! :-) And teribus... Give us a break, man! We are proud of our "lack of perspective and objectivity" on this matter... (snicker) - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Aug 03 - 12:15 AM Did I say "6 inch" figure? Sorry, it's 12 inch...or 1/6 scale in other words. There is no way you can get a 6 inch figure with articulating fingers. There are limits to what even the Chinese can do... - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Amos Date: 12 Aug 03 - 12:17 AM Maybe we could use these as a sort of feinting manuver iin the upcoming clash witht he Martians. If they eat a few of these and discover how bad-tasting Earthlings are, they'll give itup for a bad show and go attack Jupiter.... A |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Aug 03 - 12:51 AM Naw... You have the wrong idea about Martians, Amos. Martians are hip to that kind of thing and will not be fooled. If you can corner the market on enough of those George Bush Elite Aviator dolls, though, (assuming they're available before August 31st) you can strike a good deal with the Martian figure collectors after the victory celebrations, which should be happening by, oh, Sep 3rd at the latest, I figure. The only thing that'll fetch more from a Martian action figure collector is an unopened original issue James T. Kirk in the harvest gold lycra top with phaser. Those are just about priceless. You got one of them and you're set for life. Oh, an original Spock is damn good too! Bones? Well, you can still get a Martian dome house or a land speeder for him if he's original issue, but he's sort of a second-stringer. An action figure of Jerry Lewis will get you atomized right quick, so hide those for God's sake! Same goes for Rodney Dangerfield and Howard Cosell. - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,Paul D Date: 12 Aug 03 - 01:30 AM Don't worry, folks. Even if you don't order one, they'll alter the shipping records in Florida and bill you for it anyway. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Aug 03 - 02:06 AM It fits. A plastic toy. Plastic comes from oil. Dubya fought this war over oil (despite his protests to the contrary). |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Teribus Date: 12 Aug 03 - 03:23 AM From the "Doll" Advert, backed up by press coverage: "While at the controls of an S-3B Viking aircraft..., designated "Navy 1," he overflew the carrier before handing it over to the pilot for landing." What is stated above is totally credible. From personal experience, that was simply courtesy, my own example of that was down at HMS Osprey, RN helicopter base, Portland, I was given a joy-ride in a Wessex III ASW helicopter. Although all my flying had been fixed wing, the pilot let me handle the aircraft, taking me through some basic manouevres, he let me fly the helicopter for the complete approach down to the hover over the runway, he then took over and slotted it into it's landing position on the flight line. From Bobert: "Maybe, just maybe, he was in the plane but not actually, ahhhh, flying the danged thing. No matter, Vegas still has the odds at 121 to 1 that if Bush actually had to attempt a carrier landing without a real pilot in the plane, he'd crash!" By "real pilot", I trust Bobert means one qualified for deck landings. Fact is Bobert, most pilots, who have not been trained to land an aircraft on a carriers deck, would crash. Another little story, by way of an example, it concerns a USMC aviator, a Major, on loan to the RN at RNAS Heron. He was there to teach the RN Phantom pilots how to fight the aircraft. The RN had bought the F-4 Phantom and a direct copy of the flight simulator the USN had at San Diego. Now this guy was a very experienced pilot with lots of deck landings under his belt. I had a ride in the simulator with him in the drivers seat and me in the Observers seat. We did three trips, the only point of difference between the simulator in San Diego and the one in Yeovilton was that the carrier characteristics in the Heron simulator were those of HMS Ark Royal. In all the simulator trips this very experienced pilot made, not once did he ever manage a successful deck landing. From NicoleC: "....calling GWB an "Elite Aviator" is a rather stomach-churning insult to the real elite aviators who stick their necks on the line." Well the term Aviator encompasses quite a range: Private Pilots Licence, VFR, single engine; Above with an instrument rating; Private Pilots License, twin engine; Flying Instructor; Commercial Pilot, light aircraft; Commercial Pilot, multi-engine, Jet; Military, Transport Pilot; Military, Maritime Recon Pilot; Military, Strike; Military, Fighter; Military, Fighter, all-weather interceptor; Test Pilot. GWB, was fully qualified as an all-weather interceptor, fighter pilot - Fact. Believe me, such a qualification is not handed out with the cornflakes in the morning - you have to bloody well earn it, doesn't matter who your daddy is. GWB's terms of service in the US ANG roughly equates to the expected time of service for a short term flying commission in the Royal Navy. So, when looked at objectively, it's not such a "stomach churning insult" as GWB detractors like to make out. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST Date: 12 Aug 03 - 04:27 AM yes and you're completely objective.... |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: gnu Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:09 AM Hey. Ahhnold has an action figure and he's only a governor. Of course, he can fly a Harrier and travel through time. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Peter Kasin Date: 12 Aug 03 - 05:30 AM I want an elite Irwin Silber action figure. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Teribus Date: 12 Aug 03 - 06:41 AM GUEST 12 Aug 03 - 04:27 AM "yes and you're completely objective...." Thank you for saying so, albeit that I fully understand that your comment was not meant as a compliment - sarcasm is the poorest form of wit - it's a real bitch when facts can't be made to fit in with your prejudices. gnu: Regarding your man "Ahhnold" - He ain't a Governor yet - not by a long shot - He can't fly a Harrier - He can't travel through time Of course according to the sources attributing at least the last of those two talents to the man - America won the war in Vietnam. Objective and factual enough for you Guest?? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Hrothgar Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:29 AM Forty bucks US money? No way!!!! Unless you really, really wanted something into which you could stick pins. They slipped up with the 9/15 availability date, too = they could have used 9/11 and made it really tacky. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: kendall Date: 12 Aug 03 - 07:29 AM Facts? you want facts? I have no doubt that he can fly a plane. But, the fact is, he hasn't flown one since he went AWOL. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,Redhorse at work Date: 12 Aug 03 - 08:27 AM But wouldn't the 9/11 one have to show whim scuttling round the country on Air Force One looking for somewhere safe to hide? |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: EBarnacle1 Date: 12 Aug 03 - 08:53 AM He should have been at the controls of an Osprey. Might have given him a little perspective on safety. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Teribus Date: 12 Aug 03 - 09:55 AM kendall, The facts as stated by yourself "I have no doubt that he can fly a plane." That is as gross an understatement as saying that Clapton could play a guitar. At one stage in his life GWB could do a damn sight more than just fly a plane. Not only could he just pilot an aircraft, he could do so in all weather, day or night, in close company with another aircraft and he could also fight that aircraft. I can play a guitar - but there is on hell of a difference between the levels of accomplishment between myself and Eric Clapton. "But, the fact is, he hasn't flown one since he went AWOL." This is ground that has been gone over many times in the past - what you state here is definitely not a fact - had he gone AWOL he would have been charged, as far as I know he never was. What on earth ever happened to the principle of giving credit where credit is due, fairly and without bias. In refusing to do this, all that is demonstrated is a meanness of spirit, that beggars description. |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Amos Date: 12 Aug 03 - 09:57 AM Teribus: How so? Do you have some factual data about his flight record? A |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Aug 03 - 10:55 AM My God, teribus, my already unbounded admiration for GWB has now hit the stratosphere due to your calm and objective postings! I will have to get right out and buy at least ten of those figures... :-) You are quite right that carrier landings are tremendously challenging, and one (class of) carrier may differ quite a bit from another in the technique required. A great many planes were lost in WWII due to bad carrier landings/takeoffs...sometimes more than were lost in combat, I believe. I've tried it on various flight simulation programs and if the program is realistic...it ain't easy! So how come we haven't got Clint Eastwood into this discussion yet? Clint has been filmed flying various hot jets too. - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Alba Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:10 AM and right up there with them...John Travlota.....but you know none of them can Captain a Starship like William Shatner. When any of them can do that and they make the bloody Doll. Ill buy it:>) JD |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:21 AM Got that right, Alba. It is my firm opinion that had Willam Shatner been born an American he would today be the President of the United States and be serving his 4rth consecutive term, just like Roosevelt did. Just imagine... - LH |
Subject: RE: BS: I make no comment. . . . From: GUEST,Leo Condie from the USS Iraqi Freedom Date: 12 Aug 03 - 11:35 AM i'm glad someone is finally standing up for a brave, talented and honest man on this board. all of you, making up lies about him to further your own cause, you come off as completely pathetic in the face of real solid facts. because it IS a fact that William Shatner, even if not a great starship captain, can record a log like no other man. george bush on the other hand, what a tosser... |