BS: Was Jesus a white American?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:08 PM

Kim (re the disclaimer on the cowboy stuff): Oh! I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I'd have felt more comfortable reading their disclaimer if they'd added something explanatory to it, or perhaps even made some sort of statement respectful of Native Americans. As it is, the disclaimer itself sounds prejudicial to me; again, I hope I was the one who was "misled" into reading it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:12 PM

At the grave in a small town, each of the three "reps" were present. The priest threw a ten dollar bill in the grave. The Rabbi asked him quietly why ? So he can buy his way from purgatory was the answer. The Rabbi added ten. The SallyAnn asked quietly why and was given the same answer. He jumped in the grave, collected the two tens and left a cheque for thirty.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:29 PM

Sharon, in Alaska, the native people also get preferential treatment when it comes to raw material from the earth, and I think it's a good idea. It doesn't mean that that's all they can do, but hey, they were here a lot longer than any of the whites, and in that sense, it's part of their heritage.

So, only Native Alaskans (up here they're not called Native American, perhaps because Alaska came into the union late) can legally buy or sell or carve raw ivory (often fossilized walrus ivory, no elephant ivory). Whites can buy the finished product.

Also no white person can legally keep any part of any eagle; you can't even pick up a feather to stick in your hat or display in your car or cupboard. (Of course, many do- I've never seen Feather Patrols) The idea, I think, is to remove any suspicion of illegal activity.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:40 PM

So, they get the royalties from minerals in the ground ?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:53 PM

Personally I found the site tacky. I rather think the almighty would avoid being lumped into any one nationality or religion.Back to the music in this site. Ever hear the song Plastic Jesus? Neil

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 07:57 PM

Ebbie: Thanks for that info (and insight!). Sure seems like I was reading that disclaimer in exactly the opposite way from what was intended; I interpreted it as meaning, "Rest assured that any merchandise you purchase from us has never been touched by any %#$@& [racial slur]". This is what I get for jumping to conclusions!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 May 02 - 05:42 AM

Catspaw; some interesting sites, but the first one had a glass menorah pendant, but the menorah had only seven branches ?!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Kim C
Date: 01 May 02 - 10:12 AM

Well, y'know, people seem to like to express their religious persuasions in different ways. There's bumper stickers, t-shirts, jewelry, statuettes, even tattoos. Some people like to display boldly. I don't, but I don't begrudge anyone else who does, even if I think it's silly. I do have my one standard piece of religious jewelry mentioned above (actually it's two pieces, on one chain), and most of the time when I wear it, it's underneath my clothes. It's there for me, and no one else. Bumper stickers? Well, to me that sort of cheapens it, to put faith on the level of a bumper sticker. But to each their own. It's what's in the heart that counts most of all anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 May 02 - 10:19 AM

Very nicely said, Kim.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 10:31 AM

McGrath is wrong about the tricolor not being allowed on caskets in Ireland.

However, throughout the Troubles, there has been a serious bone of contention about it between the anti-republican Catholic hierarchy, and the republican movement. It was not an unusual scene, during the course of the Troubles, for the priest to stop the family and the casket at the door to the church on the way in for the funeral mass, and demand the tricolor be removed from the casket for the duration of the mass.

How many civilian funerals of US military personnel take place in churches where an American flag isn't draped over the casket? Is the Union Jack banned from the caskets in the churches of Northern Ireland? No, of course not.

What you are referring to McGrath, was a very nasty tactic on the part of the Catholic hierarchy in Northern Ireland to further humiliate the grieving family, and force them to toe the unionist/loyalist line, in order to receive a Catholic mass for the a deceased republican family member. Pretty horrid, in my book.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:40 AM

In 1954, at the behest of the Ulster Unionists, the The Flags and Emblems Act, suppressing the display of the Irish flag in Northern Ireland was passed. According to the journal "Contemporary British History":

"The Flags and Emblems Act has been seen as symbolising the sectarian and anti-nationalist essence of the Northern Ireland 'police state'. In fact the Act was introduced against the advice of the Inspector General of the Royal Ulster Constabulary. The pressure for it came from the fears of Sir Basil Brooke's government that an 'anti-appeasement' campaign by loyalist ultras was threatening Unionist party hegemony in Protestant politics. The basis for the campaign was the fact that Brooke and his Minister of Home Affairs, Brian Maginess, had attempted to accommodate the new challenges of a welfare state and an international environment seen as more sympathetic to anti-partitionism."

The Act wasn't repealed until the Anglo-Irish Intergovernmental Conference of 1987/1988. Of course, to counter their own bout of liberal thinking about the republican and nationalist causes in Northern Ireland, the British government then turned around and banned the voices of Sinn Fein members from being used in broadcasts in Britain. Of course, the idiocy of that one is well known and was once joked about with great relish. The BBC hired actors to play all the major Sinn Fein personalities, and it became quite ludicrous.

BTW Mcgrath, during the recent reburial of the 10 IRA men who had been interred in a mass grave inside Mountjoy prison since their execution for participating in events of 1916 and thereabouts, full military honors, including the tricolor on all the caskets, were given. That included the tricolors being left on the caskets during the state sponsored mass.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 12:06 PM

Ya know McGrath, for a guy claiming Irish ancestry who lives right next door to Ireland, you really are pretty ignorant about this stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 May 02 - 12:44 PM

gnu, you gotta draw the line somewhere! LOL

No, when it comes to the minerals, Native Alaskans get the same share as everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 May 02 - 01:22 PM

All I know is when my father was buried in Tipperary a few years back, as an old IRA man from the Civil War days he had a tricolour on his coffin, and it was laid aside when it came to being taken into church.

No priest or antyone making a fuss about it, just the normal way of doing things, and what he'd have wanted - national flags don't belong inside churches. I wouldn't expect to see one at a funeral Mass in a Catholic Church in England either.

If they made a special arrangement for the Mountjoy men, no doubt there were special reasons.

Anyway my father had the military honurs - a firing party out from the local barracks to fire volleys over the grave. (And a cousin said they had to do that - one way and another there'd have been a firing party.)

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Thonolan
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:30 PM

That's just about the tackiest site I've ever seen...

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:38 PM

tacky? I can't tell. The ones I like are the ones you rub on your hair and then go stand in the closet and they glow in the dark. I suppose there are those who would think these religious objets d'art are tacky too. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:38 PM

Catspaw asked yesterday whether we'd left any religions or sects out of the "tacky religious objets d'art" discussion and, knowing how fond he is of sects *G*, I figure there must be plenty more where that came from! But what about the Satan-worshippers???

Well, I've come across a household essential, for the bathroom of the devil's apprentice. Have a look-see: http://www.mcphee.com/products/new/10873.html

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:43 PM

...As a matter of fact, Archie McPhee has several more items it calls "Devil's Advocates" (be sure to check out the clock with swinging goatee action!): http://www.mcphee.com/products/devils/index.html

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 06:57 PM

Right McGraw, you come from such a long line of old IRA men, yet you don't even know about one of the most contentious laws passed by the Brits in Northern Ireland for the last 50 years--the bloody Flag and Emblem Act?

Sure. I believe you.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 02 May 02 - 12:53 AM

Actually, I think patriotism and religion have a lot in common. Both require unquestioning adherence to dogma and authority figures. Perhaps their concantenation on the T-shirt was not so inappropriate. However, I do think Jesus would roll over in his grave if he knew what people were doing in his name. Al

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: Kim C
Date: 02 May 02 - 10:18 AM

Well, I can't disagree with you there, Al.

When I bought some fun stuff from Archie McPhee, one of my free gifts was a car air freshener - a red Devil Duckie car air freshener! And I love my little Devil Duckie! He goes great with my little red fuzzy dice, that I also got from Archie McPhee.

Duckie has lost his sweet scent, but not his ability to muster a smile or a chuckle. So he stays. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 May 02 - 10:40 AM

Sharon, check out the opera masks! Gathering Garb!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:03 AM

Susan: You mean I need to get some of those before I visit for the Gathering? The feather masks from Mardi Gras won't do?? *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:16 AM

By the way, I think our guest Al means to say "concatenation" which means linking together, although my dictionary says "link together in a series or chain". I see the elements of American patriotism and religion, in that t-shirt art, as being juxtaposed in an attempt to combine or merge them, or at least to relate them to one another, but not successfully IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:45 AM

No, Sharon, the feather mask will do just fine, and I'll break mine out too.

Coming for May, or waiting for June?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Was Jesus a white American?
From: SharonA
Date: 02 May 02 - 12:02 PM

Susan: June... although at the rate my dentist and endodontist are sucking money out of my bank account, I might have to stay home then, too...